Isn't it just Sputnik for Chelsea fans?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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Ah yeah fair point well made, I’ll be staying away from duffer then
Honestly we sometimes don't know until the day
Usually if its arranged via your GP practice/primary care network we usually can tell but if its via an NHS trust then it's difficult to tell, they will tell you tomorrow during consenting procedure obviously
We are expecting large UK-wide shipment of Pfizers in May so probably AZ but wide regional variation.
Fecks sake. What is wrong with some people? No common sense!
Looking at how things are going in the UK and the roadmap...do you think after 21st June, indoor weddings will be allowed to go ahead in big numbers?
My (third rescheduled) wedding is after that date and we're working towards having the original numbers we were planning before the pandemic.
My wife and I have both had it and we were both absolutely fine. Only “side effect” was a sore arm for a day or so.
Not until they stabbed me in the arm with it and handed me a little bit of paper with AstraZeneca on it and the batch number etc.
They had a sign up on the door saying it was AZ when I went and they asked me twice I think if I was comfortable with that.
They were very open about it.
Wish I could get any of them, not on the horizon yet.
Friend in switzerland (30 yo, healthy) told me he isn't expecting a shot till next year.
Is switzerland going through the EU? aren't they both insanely rich and with their own pharma industry?
Is switzerland going through the EU? aren't they both insanely rich and with their own pharma industry?
Hold on though, let’s put this in perspective - India has had 200k Covid deaths out of a population of around 1.4bn, the UK has had 150k out of a population of just 67m. I can’t help but wonder if all the media coverage of India here in the UK isn’t an attempt to try and make the UK Government look good when India actually seems to have managed it much better overall.
Last I heard, the government here are still saying that anyone who wants it will have their first dose by end of June, though I can't see that being the case. And they rejected AstraZeneca, so they're working off just Pfizer and Moderns.
India has definitely had many more Covid deaths than that. Most of the victims aren't even making it into a hospital bed, they're dying at home or in cars trying to find oxygen. Hardly anyone's had a vaccination.
India's not managed it at all, the leadership is responsible for what's happening. I'm no fan of Boris and co, but there were no lines of people dying on the streets in the UK even at the worst of the pandemic.
The UK media is not unique in what it is reporting - the media here(at least the ones that are not government friendly) are reporting the same things.
The difference between the UK and India is that 1) deaths are significantly under-reported in India https://www.ft.com/content/683914a3-134f-40b6-989b-21e0ba1dc403 (bar chart if you scroll down) 2) the trajectory is alarming 3) health systems have already collapsed and people are dying without access to hospitals - sometimes at the doors of the hospital unable to gain admission and
Social media is awash with people desperately asking for available hospital beds, medication and there is now a huge thriving black market where drugs are being marked up and sold at 40x the cost. There is a huge scarcity of oxygen supplies and people with respiratory distress are not getting access. At this rate, you're looking at a significantly increased fatality rate, massive under reporting and a very undignified death in a lot of cases. Crematoriums have run out of space.
The situation is not comparable at all. The UK mismanaged it, sure, but many cities and towns here are on their knees and it looks like it could get a lot worse. Keep in mind that what you see are images from the most developed cities in India(the top 10%, give or take a couple percentage points). There is massive disparity within India across regions and once you branch out into the smaller towns and the smaller villages, there'll be entire towns with a couple of ICU beds, entire villages with no oxygen supplies. There are already reports that this is happening https://scroll.in/article/993462/pe...turns-silent-killer-in-uttar-pradesh-villages
I don’t think you can compare the two. Yes U.K. has done a good vaccination programme but anything up to that is a shambles. The PM is clearly a charlatan.
everything I’m seeing out of India screams this is what the U.K. could have looked like if you hadn’t gotten AZ and/or went through with the governments original plan of shaking everyone’s hand and letting everyone get it for “herd immunity”. The hospitals would have looked like Indian ones right now
Plus I think you are seriously undercounting India’s dead. Many are being burnt without any checks for covid etc because they can’t cope with demand
The Indian numbers are vastly underreported. Some places probably to a factor of even 10 or more
There's places where almost every second person is testing positive! 50% positivity rate is absolutely alarming to say the least.
Except all the official numbers are less reliable than China. Deaths are at least 20 or 30 times more. Number of cases unimaginable. I caught Covid 20 days ago. Tried to get tested, wasnt able to. The labs don't have the capacity to process the number of people who are getting infected. Also there are reports this new strain is leading to false negative RT-PCR tests.
And people dying in home isolation aren't being treated as Covid deaths which are the majority of people because its incredibly difficult to get a hospital bed.
Yeah at this stage any numbers coming out of India are irrelevant and shouldn’t be considered as accurate. What’s happening in India is what can and will happen in other countries if there are no clear interventions (lockdowns and vaccinations).
The worst point any country can reach is lack of medical care, especially low oxygen levels - people dying due to medical care not helping them in their specific case is tragic but unavoidable, however people dying due to medical care collapsing is avoidable and unacceptable.
The worst point any country can reach is lack of medical care, especially low oxygen levels - people dying due to medical care not helping them in their specific case is tragic but unavoidable, however people dying due to medical care collapsing is avoidable and unacceptable.
90 cremations at this one location in one city, most of them dying at home. Whereas the entire city only "reported" 7 covid deaths.
https://timesofindia.com/city/gurga...gaon-crematorium/amp_articleshow/82265746.cms
https://timesofindia.com/city/gurga...gaon-crematorium/amp_articleshow/82265746.cms
How’s it going in South Africa? You guys coming out the other side of your recent surge?
This is why “let it rip” isn’t such a great way to get the economy flowing. People just lock themselves down when they know they can’t rely on the health system to always be available in the case of a somewhat likely emergency.
Yeah and these are just the Hindu population. Muslim and Christian burials not even factored in. Reckon the deaths are at least 20 times more.
Yeah so second wave is definitely over now. Numbers are starting to creep up a bit in a few provinces, with the country's test positivity rate creeping up to the 5% level (on a side note, we've also seen the request for tests start to spike but this may just be due to flu season starting now). Interestingly, the province with the highest number of cases and deaths in the second wave definitely has the lowest now, so it may be a sign of herd immunity starting to take effect.
The big worry now is if/when the third wave will hit. Most predictions are that it will start soon. Our vaccination program is expected to really start mid-May using J&J and Pfizer vaccines only, with over 60s being targeted first. The general population (i.e. under 60 with no comorbidities) are to be vaccinated from October/November, so still a wait for me personally. Having said that, as long as my parents and all their contemporaries get their vaccine I'll be happy.
That’s certainly what foreign media are claiming re under reporting. But Social media in India is very vigilant. Also these numbers are reported independently for each state by the state government. And the opposition parties are very actively keeping an eye too.The Indian numbers are vastly underreported. Some places probably to a factor of even 10 or more
There's places where almost every second person is testing positive! 50% positivity rate is absolutely alarming to say the least.
Everyone is fudging numbers now. People who've been to crematorium have been counting 20+ bodies burning at any point in time. As per most records, we're burning 300 odd bodies on a daily basis in just 1 cemetary. In a city like Delhi, even the conservatve number by such extrapolation would mean close to 1000+ deaths (would be closer to 2000 in reality as there are 25-30 cemeteries). We're reporting 400 odd deaths.
Similarly in Uttar Pradesh, India's largest state, the situation is believed to be worse
Those images and footage from India are truly heartbreaking/shocking. Obviously it wasn't long ago that things in the UK were really bad, but it never looked quite like that.
It's hard to know what exactly will be the answer as lock-downs forcing multi-generational households together may simply keep this thing going. Sending best wishes to all those on here effected.
It's hard to know what exactly will be the answer as lock-downs forcing multi-generational households together may simply keep this thing going. Sending best wishes to all those on here effected.
Totally confused how the UK's daily new cases are still holding around 2.5k, they must only be including Manchester or something.
With the mass testing being carried out - including lateral flow tests - and with schools being opened (tested regularly) and gradual opening of society, I think a hold in case numbers should probably be considered a decent result.
With the vaccine having being administered to the most vulnerable groups, I'd imagine the key numbers to now track would be hospital admissions/those in intensive care/fatalities, all of which look to be dropping still despite social re-openings.
Its a great result, I just don't believe it. I'm hearing about just as many new cases in my day to day life than when the virus was at its peak with the UK reporting 40k+/day. Lateral Flow positives need an immediate PCR test, so its not like those should be going unreported.
This shows you how infectious this thing is
My wife was coming back from getting her jab done and got a taxi home. The driver said he’d had covid back at its peak in Ireland. Basically after the first time they opened up, he went to a golf society night. The tables were spaced out, 6 at each table no one beside you etc. They had a few jars as the night went on and let their guard down. During the night they were joined at the table by a young fella, who’s dad was under going a covid test and awaiting the result. Which was positive. This young fella infected all 6 at this table and another 2 at the other table. The taxi driver and another man both nearly died, both spent a week in ICU. The driver has long covid. His brother who used to be able to run marathons no longer can. The other guy who was in ICU developed a heart issue and long covid.
all thanks to one person
stay safe people. Use your head, even if you’ve had the vaccine you can still pass it on to someone who hasn’t.
My wife was coming back from getting her jab done and got a taxi home. The driver said he’d had covid back at its peak in Ireland. Basically after the first time they opened up, he went to a golf society night. The tables were spaced out, 6 at each table no one beside you etc. They had a few jars as the night went on and let their guard down. During the night they were joined at the table by a young fella, who’s dad was under going a covid test and awaiting the result. Which was positive. This young fella infected all 6 at this table and another 2 at the other table. The taxi driver and another man both nearly died, both spent a week in ICU. The driver has long covid. His brother who used to be able to run marathons no longer can. The other guy who was in ICU developed a heart issue and long covid.
all thanks to one person
stay safe people. Use your head, even if you’ve had the vaccine you can still pass it on to someone who hasn’t.
Take a look at:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map
It's becoming more localised now. Some areas of Manchester are way down (for the first time really) but others still have quite high rates. Some of it's about the jobs people do, but increasingly it's about vaccination rates.
The hospital admissions data is still falling nicely - so I'm hoping that the vaccination rate difference is mostly an age profile thing (that is to say - some people just haven't been offered the vaccine yet. If it's about vaccine hesitancy/access then it's going to be a tougher hill to climb.
I like that map but our local news are being arseholes with it with panic stories such as “local cases up 40%” when all that’s happened is cases are so low that one class of kids had about 10 cases so of course the rate rose rapidly, but don’t report it like it’s spreading like wildfire again
Not so much in regards to the press, but I remember early summer last year there being similar issues.
When cases are wide-spread in the community/high, then infection rates and growth are really important to report on.
When you're dealing with very low numbers, those same calculations don't really hold the same sway.
Hopefully as we continue on our trajectory, we'll become more adept at reading/reporting on the specifics regarding the strains that are spreading/how the vaccine drive is impacting compared to previous waves.
The UK has opened up rapidly, cases will probably rise now.
As more vaccinations get done the overall case numbers will lose relevance. It doesn't matter if half the population catches it if nobody ends up in hospital.
It’s not opened that rapidly really, schools have been back for a good while, shops, gyms and outdoor dining/pints have been back for over 2 weeks with no real rise so far but there’s been enough time for it to happen. The real test will be mid May when indoor dining and that sort of thing comes back.
UK's first real test