@LovelyLittlePanda - if you’re reading this, get fecked
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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Imagine using Townhall to buttress for your ‘logic.’
edit - not necessarily the thread, but it does work - we are starting to see so many more mental deficients proudly & without irony use websites like Epoch & Townhall as arbiters of actual fact regarding politics, covid, history, etc.
edit - not necessarily the thread, but it does work - we are starting to see so many more mental deficients proudly & without irony use websites like Epoch & Townhall as arbiters of actual fact regarding politics, covid, history, etc.
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So Boris warned of a potential third wave in the summer (though I'd personally describe it as a fourth wave after the ones in April 2020, November 2020 and January 2021)...
Anyhow, how likely is it really? Assuming vaccination rates continue as they are and given the fact that most (if not all) vulnerable people will have already had the jab, is there really that big of a risk of the NHS being overwhelmed again this summer?
I appreciate his messaging is possibly just a political move to scare the public into compliance. But do you guys think there's much substance to it?
Anyhow, how likely is it really? Assuming vaccination rates continue as they are and given the fact that most (if not all) vulnerable people will have already had the jab, is there really that big of a risk of the NHS being overwhelmed again this summer?
I appreciate his messaging is possibly just a political move to scare the public into compliance. But do you guys think there's much substance to it?
So Boris warned of a potential third wave in the summer (though I'd personally describe it as a fourth wave after the ones in April 2020, November 2020 and January 2021)...
Anyhow, how likely is it really? Assuming vaccination rates continue as they are and given the fact that most (if not all) vulnerable people will have already had the jab, is there really that big of a risk of the NHS being overwhelmed again this summer?
I appreciate his messaging is possibly just a political move to scare the public into compliance. But do you guys think there's much substance to it?
Looking at the data in Israel it seems unlikely. He also seems to be operating on the assumption that what is going on in Europe now could make its way to the UK soon when what’s actually happening is what already happened in the Uk (highly contagious Kent variant) is only now hitting Europe.
Although, to be fair, if everyone lets down their guard completely you could have a huge surge in the young/unvaccinated. And even though a much smaller proportion end up in hospital the absolute numbers would be large enough to cause havoc.
It depends on the R rate. If the vaccines continue to do their job of pushing down deaths and hospitalisations then the issue switches to over-confidence. There's a danger that with half the adult population with some protection and a smaller number with extra protection, we'll switch off from listening to social distancing measures.So Boris warned of a potential third wave in the summer (though I'd personally describe it as a fourth wave after the ones in April 2020, November 2020 and January 2021)...
Anyhow, how likely is it really? Assuming vaccination rates continue as they are and given the fact that most (if not all) vulnerable people will have already had the jab, is there really that big of a risk of the NHS being overwhelmed again this summer?
I appreciate his messaging is possibly just a political move to scare the public into compliance. But do you guys think there's much substance to it?
As we get back towards something that feels more normal there's a hope that the vaccinated act as a bit of a firewall - but that's based on the idea that they aren't carriers/spreaders/super-spreaders. At the moment we only think that's true (though data from Israel and the UK is promising).
If case numbers keep falling and the ONS say the R rate is below 1 we won't see much. If case numbers rise dramatically, exponential growth can get very ugly if we're not as cautious. Ugly enough to fill the hospitals (who are starting to run routine surgery and stuff now) again. I'm optimistic enough to think that it's unlikely, I don't see it as impossible though.
So Boris warned of a potential third wave in the summer (though I'd personally describe it as a fourth wave after the ones in April 2020, November 2020 and January 2021)...
Anyhow, how likely is it really? Assuming vaccination rates continue as they are and given the fact that most (if not all) vulnerable people will have already had the jab, is there really that big of a risk of the NHS being overwhelmed again this summer?
I appreciate his messaging is possibly just a political move to scare the public into compliance. But do you guys think there's much substance to it?
Probably a few things concerning him.
By the summer there will still be large numbers of people without full vaccination with both doses.
Most of the UK has been given one type of vaccine that has shown less resilience to new variants, and who knows what other variants might pop up in the next couple of months.
Any kind of surge in cases may not cause harm amongst the vaccinated population but there are still many who cannot have vaccines and a high proportion of those would end up in hospital if they caught the virus.
Thank buggery pandas are so inept at breeding, hopefully this ones idiocy wont contaminate the gene pool going forward.
I never knew that's what was keeping their population numbers down. China kept that one quiet.
Thank buggery pandas are so inept at breeding, hopefully this ones idiocy wont contaminate the gene pool going forward.
What are people's views on vaccine passports?
I read all this stuff about being discriminatory and creating a 2 tier system, but surely if everyone has had the chance to have a vaccine then there are no excuses (beyond stupidity) for not having it.
I can't see any issue at all with people being made to prove vaccination before being let into a pub/club for example.
Am I missing something?
EDIT - ignore me just seen the other thread
I read all this stuff about being discriminatory and creating a 2 tier system, but surely if everyone has had the chance to have a vaccine then there are no excuses (beyond stupidity) for not having it.
I can't see any issue at all with people being made to prove vaccination before being let into a pub/club for example.
Am I missing something?
EDIT - ignore me just seen the other thread
I think we have cracked it in the UK , there are loads of people about on holiday here this week , saw very few masks in Tesco today and it looks like the vaccines are working as people seem to be carrying on quite normal now and there is no rise in numbers.
I wouldn't call people not wearing masks "cracking it" to be honest. Face masks will probably be mandatory for years to come, if people aren't wearing them they're needlessly putting themselves and others at risk.
Hasn't this been the case in many places in the UK even at peak infection time?
I'm in the Dominican Republic at the moment and there's 1000 people in our resort. It's like another world to the UK.
Maybe , but it has been quieter than normal round here until Easter. Second homes and holiday homes for rent have filled up this week and people seem more relaxed and are getting together for bbqs and drinks . Most over 50`s will be jabbed by the weekend so things are definitely looking up , I am getting first jab on Saturday , my wife has had two , mother in law has had one and father in law having his second on Saturday too.
Sounds good . At last things are starting to look a bit more hopeful.
Absolutely - flying to the US on Friday where restaurants are open which will be fantastic!
Remind me, are you vaccinated?
I've had my first jab. The Mrs hasn't been yet.
What happens if the Mrs is called when you’re away?
Can someone shed light on these 4th wave predictions/summer spike for the UK? What exactly is the point of the vaccine - even if it is just the most vulnerable who are fully covered by that point - if that were to materialise?
She was offered it before we left but on medical advice postponed it until the end of April
I don't doubt you but it must vary hugely according to whereabouts you are. I've just come from a large, busy Morrisons and there wasn't a single person without a mask, not one. I go every week and I would have been astonished to see anyone without a mask, or even any of this 'under the chin' stuff I've seen posted about. A few days ago I was in a large Tesco and that was the same, better actually as they had big signs up saying 'shop on your own', I wish everywhere had them.
Yeah think you’re right, mask compliance in my town is pretty much 100% in the big supermarkets
takeaways are a different ballgame however
It varies within a mile for me, it's incredible. If I go to my local Co-op I see at least 5 people without masks every single time, but I've never seen anybody in the local Sainsbury without a mask or wearing it under the chin.
Those “under the chin” gobshites might as well wear a Trilby hat. It will be just as effective and look a lot smarter.
I’ve always thought masks are more useful as a way to identify people who are too selfish/stupid to care about anyone else than they are at containing the virus. Not many people have got infected doing their daily shop but anyone who refuses such a simple request - for a few minutes out of their day - is bound to be doing all sorts of things during the rest of the week that are making the pandemic worse for everyone.
The mask wearing has been very good here too until this week but there are a lot of tourists around now and most don`t seem to bother when they have got there holiday heads on , I also noticed there were less staff wearing masks too , hopefully there will be no significant rises in cases after the Easter holiday which will be a good sign that the vaccines are working.
I couldn't help myself in the shops the other day. It was too crowded and seeing some dopey twat wearing his mask under his nose was the final straw. I just said to him as I was maneuvering my way past "you've had to wear one for a fecking year and you're still wearing it under your nose? You stupid cnut." And went on my way to get some passata. I don't know what his response was but I hope he went home and cried.
I hate those plastic face guards that contain the square root of feck all
Fair enough
Last year I saw an old lady in the street with a clear plastic visor on and she was vaping, putting the vape under the visor and then exhaling without moving the visor from its intended position. Obviously you could see this cloud escaping around the visor and blowing off down the street.
It was like watching some sort of science experiment they show on the BBC to demonstrate how ineffective something is.
People who wear those deserve to be sent to a faraway island and forced to found a city called Idiotville.
Yeah, I was coming to ask that of people more knowledgable than me.
Is there any sort of indication (preprints or something?) of Astrazeneca not being as effective as hoped? There's been a big change in tone the last week or so from various outlets, including from Boris and SAGE. Have they seen some sort of data that we haven't?
Israel are still hyperpostive about Pfizer, and all the papers I've read show very good reason to be. Not so much good real world data available about AZ that I've seen.
There was a study published several weeks ago which showed AZ to have extremely limited effectiveness (possibly as low as 10%) against the South African variant. It was small in size and not perfect but caused sufficient concern to the SA government for them to choose to not use the AZ vaccine at all. That’s bound to be a worry in any country that is predominantly using AZ.
The last time we did that we ended up with Australia.
That didn't actually happen though did it.
Totally did. I'm a grumpy fecker when I'm shopping and he looked out of shape enough that I could outrun him if needed.
I think stuff like that all the time but the most I’ve actually had the neck to say is a deliberately loud “it’s mad how many people don’t breathe through their noses” whilst walking away from people in Aldi.
especially if they have family or friends who are deaf.....
Thanks, appreciate it. The complete change in tone recently just had me a little suspicious.
Definitely a worry, as you say - even with small sample sizes.