SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Suicides can be counter-intuitive. Hence they decline during wars/recessions and peak during periods of peace/prosperity. Presumably when everyone is stressed/miserable - and there’s an obvious reason for it - individuals might find their personal circumstances less uniquely wretched. It’s harder being unhappy if you’re surrounded by people who are loving life.

I remember making this point a year ago when lockdown sceptics were saying we’d lose more lives to suicide from lockdown than we would from the virus.


Data about recessions, misery and suicide

Suicidal people more covid-susceptible
 
Historically, the really deep recessions/depressions didn’t cause an increase in suicides. But yeah, the most recent recession did. Small numbers of excess deaths overall though. Certainly compared to what we’re looking at from covid.

It remains to be seen but the outcome could be very different from a household perspective. The government have put in huge amounts of money to individuals, companies and the property market. When furlough payments end that's when we will know how many people have a job left or not but we don't really have much of a clue at the moment.

It's difficult to know what will happen, but it's very premature to predict anything until at least a year after furlough payments have ended.

I agree that we had to lockdown as we did but that will have an impact for years. I personally think the mortgage incentives were a joke as the property market has risen about 7% in a year where millions were effectively being paid by the government and GDP dropped by record margins. That can't be sustainable.
 
It remains to be seen but the outcome could be very different from a household perspective. The government have put in huge amounts of money to individuals, companies and the property market. When furlough payments end that's when we will know how many people have a job left or not but we don't really have much of a clue at the moment.

It's difficult to know what will happen, but it's very premature to predict anything until at least a year after furlough payments have ended.

I agree that we had to lockdown as we did but that will have an impact for years. I personally think the mortgage incentives were a joke as the property market has risen about 7% in a year where millions were effectively being paid by the government and GDP dropped by record margins. That can't be sustainable.

I’m not denying the pain or the misery of lockdown. Or the long-term damage this pandemic will cause to the global economy. I just never bought into the idea that we had to either open society and let the virus rip or we would lose more people to suicide than to covid. The maths never even came close to adding up.
 
I’m not denying the pain or the misery of lockdown. Or the long-term damage this pandemic will cause to the global economy. I just never bought into the idea that we had to either open society and let the virus rip or we would lose more people to suicide than to covid. The maths never even came close to adding up.

Agreed, as I said the only thing we could do is lock down society.

All I'm saying is the effects of that are unknown at the moment as the mortgage defaults, unemployment situations are going to be "interesting" over the next 18 months. Suicide rates, debt and employment rates aren't really going to be known until furlough ends and people start suffering due to that. At the moment furlough is putting a delay on those people who have lost their jobs but don't realise that yet.
 
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Are most people looking at the vaccine in the wrong way? As far as I understand from some people in the health industry, the main purpose of it now is to stop the deaths and hospitalisation. Also to stop the other complications that arise from getting the covid infection. Not to stop the transmission or getting infected. If so is the case then there would be people getting tested positive but it would be non fatal.
 
Let me guess? (wannabe) influencers

I can imagine the disgusting lips. Why do women do it?
I saw one girl in a shop yesterday and she looked like she got a belt in the mouth from Clubber Lang.

Absolute cnuts the pair of them.
I hope they get a hefty fine and two weeks in the hotel.

Who pays for hotel actually? They better be fined enough to cover the cost of it.
 
I can imagine the disgusting lips. Why do women do it?
I saw one girl in a shop yesterday and she looked like she got a belt in the mouth from Clubber Lang.

Absolute cnuts the pair of them.
I hope they get a hefty fine and two weeks in the hotel.

Who pays for hotel actually? They better be fined enough to cover the cost of it.
They pay for it. Almost 2k

any savings they might have made on plastic surgery gone.

hope they enjoy it
 
they went to get their tits done the fecking cretins.
The more I read the more it makes me mad.

Their solicitor is saying to let them off as there is nobody to look after their kids!!!!!

DO they not have fathers?? Well maybe they dont even know who the fathers are.
WHO the feck was looking after the kds while they were getting poxy tits done in the middle east!!!!! We are staying within 5kms of our houses.
They are going to another continent for vanity purposes. Its infuriating.
 
they went to get their tits done the fecking cretins.
The more I read the more it makes me mad.

Their solicitor is saying to let them off as there is nobody to look after their kids!!!!!

DO they not have fathers?? Well maybe they dont even know who the fathers are.
WHO the feck was looking after the kds while they were getting poxy tits done in the middle east!!!!! We are staying within 5kms of our houses.
They are going to another continent for vanity purposes. Its infuriating.
Shoulda thought about that before buggering off to Dubai in the middle of a pandemic
 
Does recovering from covid provide sterilising immunity?
A friend of mine, who recovered from covid, was in contact with someone who tested positive a few days back. Wondering what the right protocol is for him to follow, should he be isolating?
 
Not been mentioned enough, so I will. 10 deaths from Covid yesterday in the UK, and now 10 deaths today. It might be weekend counting but 10 is ridiculously low even then. It's not just lockdown that's achieved this, it's mainly the vaccines for the elderly and vulnerable.

Infection rates are also down to sub 3000 despite even more testing. So lots of hope that the vaccines are halting the passing on of the virus too. It's amazing what we've seen over the last year.
 
Yes, I was wondering how we'd got to 8 billion infected with Covid. It's actually 131.6 million. Well, we all know those aren't accurate worldwide figures, but we can only work with what we have.

Yes, of course only those with a positive test have been infected by Covid. I didn't get tested and sicked it out at home. I guess it could have the flu. For those under 50 it might as well be. Do me a favour and look up the popularity of these tests for countries bigger than your tiny island. You'll find that no gives a shit about them, and the excess mortality over there points to a very large amount of infections.

thats the stupidest stat I’ve ever read in my life

You can do the math generously and have it result in a 99.991% survival rate. Or a 99,3% survival rate. The greater point still stands. For a disease which kills almost exclusively the elderly and already very sick, we've been doing a lot of stupid shit like mask mandates.

:lol::lol:, I'd advise you to stay away from Qanon stuff, you sound like the nut job I work with

Does he also have a BSc? I only ask because you seem like the guy that's obsessed with authority and "experts".
 
Does he also have a BSc? I only ask because you seem like the guy that's obsessed with authority and "experts".

I’m like you, I prefer to get my medical information from Facebook friends who went to the University of Life.
 
thats the stupidest stat I’ve ever read in my life
Yep, let’s compress 2.8million people down to a stat. 2.8 million people! Incredible

that’s before asking them the question that none of them seem to be able to answer; if it’s so normal why did the world economy shut down in every country?
 
Yes, of course only those with a positive test have been infected by Covid. I didn't get tested and sicked it out at home. I guess it could have the flu. For those under 50 it might as well be. Do me a favour and look up the popularity of these tests for countries bigger than your tiny island. You'll find that no gives a shit about them, and the excess mortality over there points to a very large amount of infections.



You can do the math generously and have it result in a 99.991% survival rate. Or a 99,3% survival rate. The greater point still stands. For a disease which kills almost exclusively the elderly and already very sick, we've been doing a lot of stupid shit like mask mandates.



Does he also have a BSc? I only ask because you seem like the guy that's obsessed with authority and "experts".

How are people still peddling this unmitigated stupidity?
 
Yes, of course only those with a positive test have been infected by Covid. I didn't get tested and sicked it out at home. I guess it could have the flu. For those under 50 it might as well be. Do me a favour and look up the popularity of these tests for countries bigger than your tiny island. You'll find that no gives a shit about them, and the excess mortality over there points to a very large amount of infections.

If we want to to judge entire populations by individual experiences lets go with mine where I've spent the last 10 months feeling like crap and having tests due to the effects of long covid and I'm well under 50. Glad you were fine though as that's what matters.

Your maths don't make any sense. You start off by saying the entire worlds population have had long covid so the mortality rate is tiny, but in the next post are pointing to high mortality. If we can't trust the tested figures as you insinuate and it's not actually the whole worlds population then there is no maths that would give you an accurate mortality rate.

By the way, most of the world has been in lockdown which kind of says that far fewer people have had it than would have otherwise.

You can do the math generously and have it result in a 99.991% survival rate. Or a 99,3% survival rate. The greater point still stands. For a disease which kills almost exclusively the elderly and already very sick, we've been doing a lot of stupid shit like mask mandates.

Those figures don't make any sense as you've already admitted that you don't know how many people have had it (somewhere between 131.6 million and 8 billion according to you).
 
People who walk 3 abreast on pavements sadly escape it though. If it just impacted them I’d say let it run wild.
Them and people with loud cars. Have at them. Oh and people that fire up the barbecue as soon as you've hung your washing out.