SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Has anyone found any good information on the free lateral flow tests from April 9th?

I'm happy to take them each week but I have only found one pharmacy in Bristol that appears to be doing it. Thought they mentioned you could have them sent to your home as well.
 
Pogue Mahone said:


Good data on effect of schools opening in Ireland. Huge increase in testing but only slight increase in cases. Confirms what we thought/hoped. Transmission can and will happen in schools but they don’t act as the sort of super spreader events that caused the exponential growth in previous surges.

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The biggest test will still be secondary school children. I think they’ve underplayed how often school kids get Covid and we won’t really see the full impact of schools until all school kids are back. 75 cases a day seems like a lot when most kids aren’t at school yet.
 
Pogue Mahone said:


Good data on effect of schools opening in Ireland. Huge increase in testing but only slight increase in cases. Confirms what we thought/hoped. Transmission can and will happen in schools but they don’t act as the sort of super spreader events that caused the exponential growth in previous surges.

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Was the same in the UK. All school kids went back in, massively increased testing, and cases continued to decline, albeit a bit slower (although that slowdown started before schools went back). It's likely that all the testing cut a few chains of transmission off at the source, so that helped. Certainly the worst predictions of a big bang opening leading to massive community outbreaks were fairly wide of the mark.
 
acnumber9 said:
The biggest test will still be secondary school children. I think they’ve underplayed how often school kids get Covid and we won’t really see the full impact of schools until all school kids are back. 75 cases a day seems like a lot when most kids aren’t at school yet.
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Secondary schools have been back over 4 weeks in England. Kids are now tested twice a week so you would expect to detect a lot more cases that would not have been known about before, given how many are asymptomatic at that age. They have detected more, but there's not been an explosion as many predicted, overall infection rates are still dropping in most places.

I suspect some people (I'm not saying you ac) wanted to point the finger at schools hoping to absolve their pubs, restaurants, shops and businesses. I don't blame them for that, it's human nature, but it does look now as if schools were never the big source of infection they wanted them to be.
 
711 said:
Secondary schools have been back over 4 weeks in England. Kids are now tested twice a week so you would expect to detect a lot more cases that would not have been known about before, given how many are asymptomatic at that age. They have detected more, but there's not been an explosion as many predicted, overall infection rates are still dropping in most places.

I suspect some people (I'm not saying you ac) wanted to point the finger at schools hoping to absolve their pubs, restaurants, shops and businesses. I don't blame them for that, it's human nature, but it does look now as if schools were never the big source of infection they wanted them to be.
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With a vaccination programme ongoing. It’s good news and I’m glad to see it’s not impacting numbers. For me it was never a case of closing schools so other things could stay open. It was about closing schools along with everything else so we could get through this quicker. I think they underplayed their impact before they were closed. Hopefully the current trend continues.
 
acnumber9 said:
The biggest test will still be secondary school children. I think they’ve underplayed how often school kids get Covid and we won’t really see the full impact of schools until all school kids are back. 75 cases a day seems like a lot when most kids aren’t at school yet.
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The final two years of secondary school (who are arguably most likely to spread the virus, as physiologically closest to adults) were already back at school in the two weeks leading up to Easter holidays. Just first to fourth years still out.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Looking at the data in Israel it seems unlikely. He also seems to be operating on the assumption that what is going on in Europe now could make its way to the UK soon when what’s actually happening is what already happened in the Uk (highly contagious Kent variant) is only now hitting Europe.

Although, to be fair, if everyone lets down their guard completely you could have a huge surge in the young/unvaccinated. And even though a much smaller proportion end up in hospital the absolute numbers would be large enough to cause havoc.
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Surely most obvious thing is mask wearing and continual social distancing? AFAIK there is no information when majority is lifted in middle of June for all that to stop yet the modelling all seems to be based on everything being like it was from Jan 2020 in terms of public interaction in day to day life.

I honestly can't see mask wearing and general guidance on keeping your distance between people being scrapped until early 2022 tbh and as frustrating as it is that's probably a good thing.

Obviously with the mass events that's a danger but ultimately that's where the passports will come into play. Worth noting none of this was around between July-September last year of course.
 
acnumber9 said:
With a vaccination programme ongoing. It’s good news and I’m glad to see it’s not impacting numbers. For me it was never a case of closing schools so other things could stay open. It was about closing schools along with everything else so we could get through this quicker. I think they underplayed their impact before they were closed. Hopefully the current trend continues.
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Sorry to divert the conversation, but furthermore is this not a ringing endorsement for the effectiveness of the AZ vaccine that has been administered so far? That is by far the majority vaccine we have rolled out in this country (UK). School kids who have clearly not yet received any vaccination should be continuing to be super spreaders but aren't.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
The final two years of secondary school (who are arguably most likely to spread the virus, as physiologically closest to adults) were already back at school in the two weeks leading up to Easter holidays. Just first to fourth years still out.
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Hopefully that continues then. Because I do believe schools and workplaces are the big danger so if they can get it working there’s hope for everything else.
 
Dumbstar said:
Sorry to divert the conversation, but furthermore is this not a ringing endorsement for the effectiveness of the AZ vaccine that has been administered so far? That is by far the majority vaccine we have rolled out in this country (UK). School kids who have clearly not yet received any vaccination should be continuing to be super spreaders but aren't.
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Possibly. I doubt we’ll ever know for certain. Thankfully this isn’t about being right or wrong and continual reduction in cases is great news for everyone.
 
A friend of mine 47 years of age has been hospitalized after getting AZ vaccine. Horrific thrombosis, his whole left leg is blue in colour now. Has anybody heard of ZF 2001 vaccine?
 
Dumbstar said:
Sorry to divert the conversation, but furthermore is this not a ringing endorsement for the effectiveness of the AZ vaccine that has been administered so far? That is by far the majority vaccine we have rolled out in this country (UK). School kids who have clearly not yet received any vaccination should be continuing to be super spreaders but aren't.
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The data being discussed is from Ireland.
 
711 said:
Secondary schools have been back over 4 weeks in England. Kids are now tested twice a week so you would expect to detect a lot more cases that would not have been known about before, given how many are asymptomatic at that age. They have detected more, but there's not been an explosion as many predicted, overall infection rates are still dropping in most places.

I suspect some people (I'm not saying you ac) wanted to point the finger at schools hoping to absolve their pubs, restaurants, shops and businesses. I don't blame them for that, it's human nature, but it does look now as if schools were never the big source of infection they wanted them to be.
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It's difficult to draw that as a complete conclusion when it's only been a week since the UK hasn't been in a stay at home status, and we've still to open up the rest of society. Looking at it in isolation, it's low, but infection source combined with other elements of society opening still has the ability to have a wider impact.
 
Water Melon said:
A friend of mine 47 years of age has been hospitalized after getting AZ vaccine. Horrific thrombosis, his whole left leg is blue in colour now. Has anybody heard of ZF 2001 vaccine?
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:eek::nervous: Same age as me. My batch number was PW40009. How quickly did it occur after the jab?
 
I do worry about the clotting issues especially having a metallic heart valve, I’m just hoping I’ll be ok as I’m on warfarin
 
Water Melon said:
A friend of mine 47 years of age has been hospitalized after getting AZ vaccine. Horrific thrombosis, his whole left leg is blue in colour now. Has anybody heard of ZF 2001 vaccine?
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Are you saying your friend has had the ZF2001 vaccine as that's a Chinese made vaccine? Hope he gets better soon, that must be a nightmare :(

My AZ vaccine had a batch number of 4120Z003 and there is a Z001 batch.

ZF2001 - Wikipedia

Edit - I think I misread that and you're asking about the ZF2001 independently from what has happened to your friend.
 
Amid all this talk of vaccines etc are getting any news on if its actually working?

I see Japan & BRazil have mounting cases as well as europe?
This seems to be getting worse not better
 
McGrathsipan said:
Amid all this talk of vaccines etc are getting any news on if its actually working?

I see Japan & BRazil have mounting cases as well as europe?
This seems to be getting worse not better
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Incredible data from Israel (so far).

Good data out of the UK (again so far but only just starting to open up again).

Bad news out of Chile.

I don't think Brazil or Japan are really that far into their vaccination programes are they? Brazil especially is a total shit show in every possible way.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Google “Israel” and “covid”.
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Isn't that all Pfizer?

Do we have similar data on AZ ?
It obviously works.. it'll be great if it can have a similar impact as the Pfizer one is having.
africanspur said:
Bad news out of Chile.

I don't think Brazil or Japan are really that far into their vaccination programes are they? Brazil especially is a total shit show in every possible way.
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Isn't the Brazilian variant making things worse there.. and presumably in Chile?
I think they all work largely fine with the B117 (UK variant).. the Brazilian and SA ones were less straightforward.
 
prateik said:
Isn't that all Pfizer?

Do we have similar data on AZ ?
It obviously works.. it'll be great if it can have a similar impact as the Pfizer one is having.

Isn't the Brazilian variant making things worse there.. and presumably in Chile?
I think they all work largely fine with the B117 (UK variant).. the Brazilian and SA ones were less straightforward.
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Israel has the SA variant and vaccines (yes, all Pfizer) seems to be working ok against it.Less effective than against “original covid” but still effective.
 
Dumbstar said:
Sorry to divert the conversation, but furthermore is this not a ringing endorsement for the effectiveness of the AZ vaccine that has been administered so far? That is by far the majority vaccine we have rolled out in this country (UK). School kids who have clearly not yet received any vaccination should be continuing to be super spreaders but aren't.
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:) Nice try, 'continuing to be super spreaders' as if it's a proven fact that they were. They will obviously have contributed to infection rates, as has all contact whether through family, work, travel, or meeting socially, but there is just no data at all to call children super spreaders, however much people might want there to be.

Yes, I'm sure the rates would be higher without vaccination, it's great, let's hope it keeps going.
 
I worked in the hospital with the densest area in the UK in terms of cases/population.
Since the vaccine introduction, not a single person who's had the vaccine has come in with COVID (so far).

Amidst the awareness of the risks of the vaccines, it's hugely important to bring the benefits to the table.


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That's a mental read.
 
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Haven't read into greatly but Brazil are currently out of oxygen and hospitals are full you would expect a similar outcome no matter what the variant of Covid.

Looks like its just stats being shown in one specific light without telling the full picture to me.
 
Bosws87 said:
Haven't read into greatly but Brazil are currently out of oxygen and hospitals are full you would expect a similar outcome no matter what the variant of Covid.

Looks like its just stats being shown in one specific light without telling the full picture to me.
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Shit, I knew they were still cutting the amazon down but I didn't realise it was that bad.
 
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