A trumpish strop?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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A trumpish strop?
Meanwhile in the Swiss ski resort of Verbier, Brits have escaped during the night to avoid the retrospective quarantine the Swiss government has imposed.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...noculation-lockdown-eu-uk-news-latest-updates
yeah he was a shocking example but it’s really not that uncommon in the UK. Idiotic is the only wordMaybe I’m being far too judgemental but stories about the “UK variant” popping up all over Europe - after British tourists infect locals - are seriously boiling my piss. People going on holiday. In the middle of a fecking pandemic. What the hell?!
Are any of you planning holidays in the next few weeks? Do you know anyone? Is this normal behaviour in the UK?
Honestly don’t know a single person who’s been on a holiday abroad over the few months. It seems the absolute height of entitled selfishness.
How about deaths reported as e.g.heart attack when covid fecked their health earlier but wasn't the primary cause?
Despite flu deaths being down almost everywhere excess deaths are up by far more than the 1.75 million reported covid deaths so actual covid deaths are likely well north of 2 million and maybe as many as 3 million already.
Definitely agree with you about the number of deaths.
I know of at least 2 people who have died recently from cancer that were adversely affected by the pandemic. In both cases their cancer was allowed to progress beyond that which was treatable. In both cases, that was what the hospital stated.
Well, the fact that these skiers went from the UK at a time when things were getting so bad and then skipped quarantine shows they're not bothered about anyone else. I hope they get fined by the Swiss, the authorities have all their details.
You need to be able to back up what you say. Particularly in the CE forum and even moreso when talking about such a serious topic.
One of the best things I’ve ever read on here
WA hasn't had a case of covid for about 8 months apart from returned travellers in quarantine.Yesterday a covid denier in quarantine did a runner and it took the police a few hours to track her down. She is now in police custody potentially facing a $50,000 fine and a 12 month jail term. Let's hope all is well as the NSW outbreak has been hard enough to manage.
Its disgusting, anyone doing this should face massive fines and potential prison time. Softly softly hasn't worked, people are too self absorbed.
Whilst I agree in principle and wouldn’t think about going away myself, why is this any worse than anyone else that has taken a flight in the last 9 months??
No, I would personally have put a stop to all non essential travel abroad and had harsh penalties for rule breakers all along. Whilst I'm generally against too much state intervention, vast sections of the British population have shown themselves to be either utterly selfish or totally thick, a few well publicised harsh punishments would help.
Its true that going on a holiday is a little selfish but you have to also realise that some people have things going on in other countries too. Genuine things they have to tend to that if these things are permanently closed down then those peoples lives will have a worse affect than covid.
On that same topic. For example, let's talk about pakistan or something.
They have blocked all UK flights and also Saudi has blocked all airtravel. The UK and Saudi are huge for pakistan economy.
How huge of an impact does this happen on their aviation industry and on their economy? How long can they afford to close their borders to such flights? They have a review of their flight restriction tomorrow, and I imagine it'll be a battle between the health industry and aviation industry.
Does anyone think the restrictions from these countries will be lifted soon?
They have blocked all UK flights and also Saudi has blocked all airtravel. The UK and Saudi are huge for pakistan economy.
How huge of an impact does this happen on their aviation industry and on their economy? How long can they afford to close their borders to such flights? They have a review of their flight restriction tomorrow, and I imagine it'll be a battle between the health industry and aviation industry.
Does anyone think the restrictions from these countries will be lifted soon?
Last time I opened this thread it was ~50 pages ago.
Shit has definitely become a lot worse in Wales. A month or so ago, only a quarter of our ward was stationed for Optiflow or CPAP. Now, our whole HDU Respiratory ward is Optiflow/CPAP.
A 45 year old, fit as feck with no past medical history, went to ITU yesterday. Today, we saw another 40 year old who is on the brink and will no doubt end up there by the time I return to work on Tuesday. I was speaking with my consultant today and we both randomly noticed that the average age of those who are incredibly sick right now has definitely shifted towards the younger generation. A few months back, I'd say the "sickest" would be around 70 years of age. Now, it's certainly in the 45-55 range. Easily - and it's frightening. It's just mental to me despite working in Respiratory for the last 5 months how rapid people can deteriorate with it.
I've been on call Christmas Day through till today, so I'm absolutely shattered now.
We are in for a God awful January.
Shit has definitely become a lot worse in Wales. A month or so ago, only a quarter of our ward was stationed for Optiflow or CPAP. Now, our whole HDU Respiratory ward is Optiflow/CPAP.
A 45 year old, fit as feck with no past medical history, went to ITU yesterday. Today, we saw another 40 year old who is on the brink and will no doubt end up there by the time I return to work on Tuesday. I was speaking with my consultant today and we both randomly noticed that the average age of those who are incredibly sick right now has definitely shifted towards the younger generation. A few months back, I'd say the "sickest" would be around 70 years of age. Now, it's certainly in the 45-55 range. Easily - and it's frightening. It's just mental to me despite working in Respiratory for the last 5 months how rapid people can deteriorate with it.
I've been on call Christmas Day through till today, so I'm absolutely shattered now.
We are in for a God awful January.
Fauci: The worst is yet to come.
You deserve the rest man. Thanks for you hard work to your community
Urgh ... seeing so many examples of human selfishness, arrogance, stupidity and greed really is aggravating. And many innocent people are going to suffer for that.
I think (younger) people are taking more risks in the knowledge that the vaccine is beginning to get rolled out to the vulnerable.
For those who used to do the bare minimum out of guilt for the knock on effects, that guilt is now being undercut by positivity about the pandemic turning a corner. People are becoming more willing to roll the dice on themselves now that they feel their grandparents' safety is going to be assured as long as they isolate for a few more weeks.
I reckon infection rates will get a lot worse in the short term. Covid-fatigue married with vaccine-optimism is going to do that.
For those who used to do the bare minimum out of guilt for the knock on effects, that guilt is now being undercut by positivity about the pandemic turning a corner. People are becoming more willing to roll the dice on themselves now that they feel their grandparents' safety is going to be assured as long as they isolate for a few more weeks.
I reckon infection rates will get a lot worse in the short term. Covid-fatigue married with vaccine-optimism is going to do that.
Despite trumps long haul efforts to discredit this guy and the right wings following of Trumps lead I still think when this guys speaks we need to listen.
I asked my wife about this when she got home today. She said they’ve seen the same thing happen here.
A penny for your thoughts on why that’s happening...
Why would boxing day be one of the busiest due to covid? All of these people got suddenly ill on the same day? This doesn't mean much apart from the fact people were extra fearful and cautious and phoned the ambulance service rather than delaying.
It's only logical. There aren't many strict measure being taken to control the spread right now and the wave is showing no signs of peaking yet. Add to that, the fact winter is coming and the flu season along with it, things can only get worse. It will take months before vaccines have any impact on mortality. Let alone long covid.
What sort of logic is that?
Better to look at the daily trends or 7 day averages to get a clearer picture of trends. As it is, it is worrying.
35k cases a day average and 500 fatalities a day average, all record peaks, before christmas shutdowns, is very worrying. It'll be two weeks before the recent lockdowns show any signs of impact. So expect things to get worse before they get better.
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That is utterly bizarre.
It could just be a function of so many younger people getting infected.
This is an Austrian ski resort
Countries in Europe are in lockdown, cases and deaths are high across the region and there's a new strain on the loose to top it off.
In terms of calls to ambulances and hospital visits we are pretty much par with the first wave in the UK now so the overall situation should be similar, so yeah, it could be that there are higher percentages of younger people being infected.
I am guessing (and hoping) that care homes and the like are better prepared now and that this might be a sign that measures put in place to protect the vulnerable age groups are working.
It's also possible that within the elderly population a proportion of the groups most likely to be infected have been already. There will be more immunity in those people and I guess those not infected so far are probably statistically likely to be taking more care of not getting it in the first place.
From one gamble straight into the next. I did think they'd want to take a look at the Christmas impact first.
I do think primary need to be in school as much as possible - though maybe only 2/3 days per week. But my secondary age relatives were in and out of school all last term and there's still been no provision for laptops/home WiFi to facilitate home/online learning for the poorer ones. They could/should have been able to switch to halftime onsite by now.
Instead it's going to be an all in - and I suspect a totally disorganised almost all out half-term again. Our dependence on rolling out the vaccines had just jumped another notch.
Hopefully they won't send the university students back as well. We'll see.
The biggest driver in the difference IMO will be the elderly/vulnerable being completely unprepared before the first wave and taking great care to self isolate this time round.
Of course, the one way to know for sure is to compare the age profile of those being infected, then and now. If 40-50 year olds are many multiples more likely to catch the virus than the elderly that would explain why they’re disproportionately showing up as very sick.
I’m sure the data on ages is published somewhere.
At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if there's no lockdown. Anyone else feel that way?
I expect the whole country in Tier 4 at some point in January, but no proper lockdown. Madness really, but I'm not surprised by this government anymore.
Thanks for all you're doing mate.
So I initially thought it may be related to this new strain that we hear about. Numbers are rising with Wales being the second worst hit country in the world from what I saw (per capita) for COVID cases. Not only did I think that the new strain meant it was easier transmittable but I also thought that people become a lot more unwell with it too.
Now, I think the latter point is probably not the case. I think seeing how things have escalated in recent weeks just gives an illusion that there must be something else driving this. But when I’ve been seeing these patients, practically all of them become “very unwell and need hospital admission” around day 7-10. That’s still a key time frame that we use. This is when oxygenation failure typically is seen.
I admittedly haven’t looked into the science behind the new strain because I’ve been too busy and frankly didn’t want to look at the word COVID after doing my shifts. I heard that it is apparently easier transmittable from someone but not sure what evidence they had.
I think the rise is a combination of people not giving a shit anymore and Wales having tight nit families and communities which mean it’s very easy to spread. But I’m actually not sure to be honest.
just amazes me the shift in age we’re seeing
Christmas Day was predominantly quiet during my on call. Boxing Day and yesterday was filled with people who basically didn’t want to come to hospital on Christmas Day. As part of my history taking, I always try to see the difference in their illness to decide why they presented on that day and not a day or two beforehand. Practically all of them, apart from the ridiculously sick ones, just admitted that they tried to hold out till Boxing Day
How come you think that? I think Wales certainly needs a full lockdown.
First thing I thought when I heard this on the news this morning was 'Why the hell are you at a Swiss ski resort' seeing a lot of the cases started at ski resorts in the first place. Some of them might be spreading it far and wide now. Absolute idiots. Stick them in quarantine for 12 months.
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