SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

LARulz said:
That's really worried me. My fiance is flying there (from elsewhere) and then coming here on Jan 10th. Now realistically they won't resume flights by then. I know they say it's only banned coming from the UK, but realistically flights going to the UK will be cancelled as well.

The visa she is on requires us to get married in a short time frame. It was hard enough with Tier 4 banning weddings but her not even being in the country is a fecking double whammy
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Sorry to hear and sounds really stressful for you both. Surely they will accept that these are mitigating factors and delay the visa accordingly?

If I were you, I’d send an official email to your MP today explaining your specific situation including dates and references numbers, basically with enough information so all they have to do is forward your email with a cover letter to the appropriate Government department to assess.

I’ve always found my MP to be prompt and super helpful When I’ve written to them. Am sure yours will be too.

Hope it works out for you
 
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sammsky1 said:
Sorry to hear and sounds really stressful for you both. Surely they will accept that these are mitigating factors and delay the visa accordingly?

If I were you, I’d send an official email to your MP today explaining your specific situation including dates and references numbers, basically with enough information so all they have to do is forward your email with a cover letter to the appropriate Government department to assess.

I’ve always found my MP to be prompt and super helpful When I’ve written to them. Am sure yours will be too.

Hope it works out for
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Thank you. I did ask the registry office this and they said it's unlikely, or rather never had it. But I am sure it would work so will definitely use this method if we are stuck

But biggest problem now is getting into the country all cos Boris didn't want to accept he overpromised
 
Tony Babangida said:
Good summary in Science on the new variant.

Pretty balanced article. I can see the reason for concern and I think it is appropriate to be cautious and act now. Need lab experiments to be sure, but that will take months.
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Only anecdotal evidence but a little alarming, from this article.

Another worry is that B.1.1.7 could cause more severe disease. There is anecdotal evidence that the South African variant may be doing that in young people and those who are otherwise healthy, says John Nkengasong, director of the Africa Centres for Disease Control and Prevention. “It’s concerning, but we really need more data to be sure.” The African Task Force for Coronavirus will convene an emergency meeting to discuss the issue on Monday, Nkengasong says.

During the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918 it is believed that a mutated strain of the virus had emerged that could kill healthy young people within 24 hours of infection. In just three months new cases rocketed there was a huge spike of deaths amongst young healthy people. Pretty sobering!
 
Scientists in South Africa say the new strain there appears to be unrelated to the UK one but could be similarly contagious according to the BBC
 
Virgil said:
Hmm then I suggest you look at how draconian Australia is being with Nationals stranded abroad. Mind you I applaud the Australian government for their stance. Would that we did the same.
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Yes, just looking at the latest clarification you're right. As far as Italy is concerned, flights to the UK/from the UK are banned in both directions and that also applies to Italian citizens and residents of Italy. You also can't come in via another European country if you've been in the UK within the previous two weeks.
 
Does anybody believe this new strain is being exaggerated and used as a fear mongering tactic?
Christmas round the corner, Vaccine in place, people relaxing on their restrictions. I have difficulty believing much of what we are told when the easiest way to gain more compliance from the masses towards the restrictions would be to suggest we are all fecked all over again.

I wish we were just left to live normal now. You catch it, you catch it. You need a ventilator, you go to hospital, no space at the hospital, you die.

Your life, your risk, its up to you.
 
SiRed said:
Does anybody believe this new strain is being exaggerated and used as a fear mongering tactic?
Christmas round the corner, Vaccine in place, people relaxing on their restrictions. I have difficulty believing much of what we are told when the easiest way to gain more compliance from the masses towards the restrictions would be to suggest we are all fecked all over again.

I wish we were just left to live normal now. You catch it, you catch it. You need a ventilator, you go to hospital, no space at the hospital, you die.

Your life, your risk, its up to you.
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I think quite simply Boris and co scored an own goal. Yes this new strain is more infectious, but they seemed to make it out that it originated here and said it's 70% more infectious just so he could justify going back on his stupid promises. He didn't want to look like the bad guy. In doing so, the rest of the world gets to point at us and just blame us going forward.

I am not denying this new strain isn't bad. I am fuming because Boris and co's language and aim was to make people not blame them for not seeing family. Instead, they made it a million times worse
 
SiRed said:
I wish we were just left to live normal now. You catch it, you catch it. You need a ventilator, you go to hospital, no space at the hospital, you die.

Your life, your risk, its up to you.
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More like "you catch it, loads of your friends and family and people you come in contact with catch it. You all die."
 
SiRed said:
Does anybody believe this new strain is being exaggerated and used as a fear mongering tactic?
Christmas round the corner, Vaccine in place, people relaxing on their restrictions. I have difficulty believing much of what we are told when the easiest way to gain more compliance from the masses towards the restrictions would be to suggest we are all fecked all over again.

I wish we were just left to live normal now. You catch it, you catch it. You need a ventilator, you go to hospital, no space at the hospital, you die.

Your life, your risk, its up to you.
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The trouble is, it's your life but it's often other people you put at risk. If not your granny, then the granny you passed at at the supermarket. If not your pregnant partner, then the pregnant partner of someone at work or who you sat next to on the train.

And if you (or one of your contacts, or one of their contacts) do end up in a queue at the hospital - then you'll be blocking the bed that might be needed by someone who needs cancer treatment, or the casualty in a car crash whose ambulance gets delayed.
 
SiRed said:
Does anybody believe this new strain is being exaggerated and used as a fear mongering tactic?
Christmas round the corner, Vaccine in place, people relaxing on their restrictions. I have difficulty believing much of what we are told when the easiest way to gain more compliance from the masses towards the restrictions would be to suggest we are all fecked all over again.

I wish we were just left to live normal now. You catch it, you catch it. You need a ventilator, you go to hospital, no space at the hospital, you die.

Your life, your risk, its up to you.
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Agreed.
 
SiRed said:
Does anybody believe this new strain is being exaggerated and used as a fear mongering tactic?
Christmas round the corner, Vaccine in place, people relaxing on their restrictions. I have difficulty believing much of what we are told when the easiest way to gain more compliance from the masses towards the restrictions would be to suggest we are all fecked all over again.

I wish we were just left to live normal now. You catch it, you catch it. You need a ventilator, you go to hospital, no space at the hospital, you die.

Your life, your risk, its up to you.
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The last bit of this post is simply hilarious. Disgusting also, but mainly hilarious.
 
SiRed said:
Does anybody believe this new strain is being exaggerated and used as a fear mongering tactic?
Christmas round the corner, Vaccine in place, people relaxing on their restrictions. I have difficulty believing much of what we are told when the easiest way to gain more compliance from the masses towards the restrictions would be to suggest we are all fecked all over again.

I wish we were just left to live normal now. You catch it, you catch it. You need a ventilator, you go to hospital, no space at the hospital, you die.

Your life, your risk, its up to you.
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Unfrotunately for me, an asthmatic without a death wish, your wonderful attitude to life could infect and kill me in a particularly painful way.
 
Pogue Mahone said:


Not great news about potential for mass testing helping safe return to universities.
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Is that so bad? 3% is crap, but when the virus is so prevalent, more than 50% of people who test positive will be infected. They can then have a proper test to make sure.

Doesnt seem like an issue

EDIT - I am wrong. It's missing 97% of positives
 
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Buster15 said:
But not retrospectively fixed.
Can I say that I completely agree with someone else changing the wording of my post and want more of it.
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Im sorry, that was just to much to resist. I apologise (for the first one) No offence intended.
 
golden_blunder said:
He didn’t really change your original post as in he can’t edit your original post. He’s quoted it a d changed a bit to make it humorous and probably what many are thinking! Don’t take it personally, it’s a common post on the Caf
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Appreciate your explanation. Still annoying that someone can end up changing a post that has my name. But if it is a common occurrence then so be it.
 
SiRed said:
Does anybody believe this new strain is being exaggerated and used as a fear mongering tactic?
Christmas round the corner, Vaccine in place, people relaxing on their restrictions. I have difficulty believing much of what we are told when the easiest way to gain more compliance from the masses towards the restrictions would be to suggest we are all fecked all over again.

I wish we were just left to live normal now. You catch it, you catch it. You need a ventilator, you go to hospital, no space at the hospital, you die.

Your life, your risk, its up to you.
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Are you for real? Even if the new strain is not responsible for the worrying rise in cases, and it still might not be, it doesn't hide the fact that that transmission of the virus is rising at an alarming rate.

So according to you covid victims can just die, along with other people needing critical care, because that's exactly what will happen if the our hospitals get overrun. This selfish attitude thats "its my life I can do what I like" is one of the reasons why this torture continues. Perhaps you've discovered some new medical breakthrough that prevents you from passing the virus on to others including those that would be caring for you if you ever ended up being hospitalised. If so please enlighten us.

We all want life to return to normal but you just come across as either one of those crackpot conspiracy theorists or a petulant and not very bright 5 year old. Perhaps both.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
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Im sorry, that was just to much to resist. I apologise (for the first one) No offence intended.
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And none taken my friend. Someone has explained it to me and I now understand. This has happened on a number of occasions so I should not be surprised.
 
Roger said:
Are you for real?
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SiRed said:
I have been tossing ideas around regarding conspiracies in my moments of madness and what i conclude is that if I were a world leader, looking to assert control around the world or looking at having 80% of the globe microchipped. Then i would probably make a virus. A virus that nobody has ever known. That is super contagious. A virus that infects immediately but doesn't give any clues for 2 weeks, giving you plenty of time to pass it around.

I would then strike fear into every single living person by exaggerating its effects. Forcing everyone to stay inside. I would massage the stats to cause more devastation and demand for a vaccine.

Whilst all this goes on i have my best scientists inventing a LIQUID microchip that we can disguise within a vaccine.

After 15 months of hell on earth, these clowns (me included) are so fed up and just want a return to the norm, they all queue up for what they believe is just a simple vaccine..... Little do they know, that as a world leader, i now have everyone microchipped. Everyone under surveillance and nobody is aware.
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SiRed said:
Does anybody believe this new strain is being exaggerated and used as a fear mongering tactic?
Christmas round the corner, Vaccine in place, people relaxing on their restrictions. I have difficulty believing much of what we are told when the easiest way to gain more compliance from the masses towards the restrictions would be to suggest we are all fecked all over again.

I wish we were just left to live normal now. You catch it, you catch it. You need a ventilator, you go to hospital, no space at the hospital, you die.

Your life, your risk, its up to you.
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Shocking post. If everyone thought like you this would go around in circles for who knows how long before a good portion of the populace are dead. It might not matter to you, but it matters to the people who don’t want to die, not just the ones shielding but the ones who have to go out to work every day, taking a risk. A risk which could be minimised if there wasn’t people running around thinking like you, spreading the thing willy nilly, stuff the consequences
 
golden_blunder said:
Shocking post. If everyone thought like you this would go around in circles for who knows how long before a good portion of the populace are dead. It might not matter to you, but it matters to the people who don’t want to die, not just the ones shielding but the ones who have to go out to work every day, taking a risk. A risk which could be minimised if there wasn’t people running around thinking like you, spreading the thing willy nilly, stuff the consequences
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This person is a conspiracy theory nutjob. Theres a reply to my post about 3 posts up from this.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I don’t actually know. Presume it was the best available when they started their study. I certainly hope there are better ones available now!
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I wonder if it could it be that it's much better older people so this wasn't picked up?
 
Every time I watch Boris speak I'm honestly baffled how everyone can't see how incompetent he is. The same goes for Rees-Mogg and the rest of his ilk. How these people are seen as better than us "normal" people is fecking bizarre.
 
Roger said:
Are you for real? Even if the new strain is not responsible for the worrying rise in cases, and it still might not be, it doesn't hide the fact that that transmission of the virus is rising at an alarming rate.

So according to you covid victims can just die, along with other people needing critical care, because that's exactly what will happen if the our hospitals get overrun. This selfish attitude thats "its my life I can do what I like" is one of the reasons why this torture continues. Perhaps you've discovered some new medical breakthrough that prevents you from passing the virus on to others including those that would be caring for you if you ever ended up being hospitalised. If so please enlighten us.

We all want life to return to normal but you just come across as either one of those crackpot conspiracy theorists or a petulant and not very bright 5 year old. Perhaps both.
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Roger said:
This person is a conspiracy theory nutjob. Theres a reply to my post about 3 posts up from this.
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Not a conspiracy theorist at all. They are sometimes interesting but normally always far fetched.
Just because i question what Boris tells us all does not make me a conspiracy theorist or a petulant 5 year old. Would you trust Boris with your life, without question? Thats what a lot of people, particularly in this forum seem to do without questioning it.
Do you trust him 100% A man who contracted companies of relatives to supply the UK with expensive PPE when it was available elsewhere for less cost.
A man who layed the law down to the whole country and then defended one of his chums when he went against his restrictions.
Do you trust Matt Hancock? A man who tried his best to force tears from his eyes on live TV as he was so moved by the first vaccine but instead looked like a feckin idiot.
Do you trust Chris Whitty? A man who,,,,, I dont know a lot about this guy, but the fact of the matter is that he has the face of a man who's patio should be dug up and checked without warrant.

These clowns making the decisions to keep you alive, (like they care about you) could tell me that water is wet and i would double check. Thats how little faith i have in them, and so should you.

So forgive me for being sceptical about this alleged new strain, but there is certainly motive for these muppets to exaggerate its potency and danger.
They realised they have cocked up massively with this Christmas relaxation thing, they know that a lot of people will now not abide so wouldn't it make sense..... If it stops a few more transmissions, to shove the fear up the arses of the public once again?
 
SiRed said:
Not a conspiracy theorist at all. They are sometimes interesting but normally always far fetched.
Just because i question what Boris tells us all does not make me a conspiracy theorist or a petulant 5 year old. Would you trust Boris with your life, without question? Thats what a lot of people, particularly in this forum seem to do without questioning it.
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I don't know what you are smoking but the government and Boris have received regular criticism throughout the year from the majority of posters in this thread.
 
Abizzz said:
German politicians have been waffling about Christmas for the last 6 weeks too. It's possible the UK are currently "punished" for one of the things it actually does better, the sequencing of new strains. It's entirely possible this new strain is already in a lot of places in mainland Europe and we just don't know it yet. I guess the current measures are still justified just in case it's not.
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Is there much talk of it being in Germany given the massive rise in cases and deaths recently?
 
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