SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Brwned said:
First time I've been in a UK shop for 3 months and I am baffled. Masks everywhere but social distancing has gone out the window it seems. Can't believe people are browsing Tesco for fecking deals on cushions right now.
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I can. People are fundamentally gormless. Ive lost all hope for humanity this year.
 
Wibble said:
But Boris is using the possibility of increased infectiousness and running with it to cover for his incompetence. If it actually turns out to be more infectious it is win win for him.
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Not sure how this could even be a win let alone win win.
The country already knows that this new strain was detected months ago.
But there will be those who worship Boris and think he is doing a wonderful job.
 
Buster15 said:
Not sure how this could even be a win let alone win win.
The country already knows that this new strain was detected months ago.
But there will be those who are dribbling cockwits who should not be allowed to vote
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Buster15 said:
Not sure how this could even be a win let alone win win.
The country already knows that this new strain was detected months ago.
But there will be those who worship Boris and think he is doing a wonderful job.
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Because not only can he pass the blame (win 1) but he can do so based on it actually being more infectious (win 2) if that proves to be true.

They don't operate like the rest of us.
 
Brwned said:
First time I've been in a UK shop for 3 months and I am baffled. Masks everywhere but social distancing has gone out the window it seems. Can't believe people are browsing Tesco for fecking deals on cushions right now.
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Thats been going on for some time now. I live 2 minutes from a Morrisons and I have seen it go from half empty car parks and socially distanced queuing to full car parks and no queues. Yesterday I drove past our local Tesco and when I mentioned to the missus that the car park wasn't as busy as I thought it would be she said "Oh no they don't open till 10am that'll be people browsing" What the feck!!

My wife had to go to the doctors today and was very apprehensive. There she is sitting in the waiting room and some guy walks in not wearing a mask. He didn't sit anywhere near her but she told me all she could hear was his breathing. When she went in for her appointment she mentioned it to the nurse and said this person may have a genuine reason for not wearing a mask but it made her very uneasy. When she came out of her appointment the man was now wearing a mask. Now he may have just forgot, who knows. The point is he was not challenged by the staff on reception. And this is at a bloody doctors surgery.
 
Penna said:
The UK seems so isolated now. Numerous countries banning flights from the UK and from Jan 1st, Brits won't be able to travel to Europe for non-essential trips because of Brexit.

It's all so weird.
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Not even sure Europeans can go back to Europe. I'm stuck in the UK for now...

The EU is getting pissy now too. Accusations that the UK knew about the new variant in September and did nothing.
 
11101 said:
Not even sure Europeans can go back to Europe. I'm stuck in the UK for now...

The EU is getting pissy now too. Accusations that the UK knew about the new variant in September and did nothing.
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I don't know how you'd get back at the moment. You may be stuck there till after 6th Jan, unfortunately.
 
Penna said:
I don't know how you'd get back at the moment. You may be stuck there till after 6th Jan, unfortunately.
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I would think the borders will reopen soon to those who can prove a requirement to travel. A British citizen with European residency is one thing, but I cant see how they can exclude European citizens who are stuck in the UK away from their home country.
 
11101 said:
I would think the borders will reopen soon to those who can prove a requirement to travel. A British citizen with European residency is one thing, but I cant see how they can exclude European citizens who are stuck in the UK away from their home country.
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Let's hope so. They normally allow people to always return to their place of residence, even when other restrictions are in place.
 
11101 said:
I would think the borders will reopen soon to those who can prove a requirement to travel. A British citizen with European residency is one thing, but I cant see how they can exclude European citizens who are stuck in the UK away from their home country.
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That will be up to their home country. They won’t stop them coming home will probably insist on 14 days quarantine on arrival. At least I’m hoping they will do in Ireland anyway (despite the border making life way more complicated than it should be)
 
Virgil said:
If I catch COVID it will not be Boris or one of his cohorts that give it to me it will be a tosser with a similar attitude to yours. All of us are suffering in this pandemic but what the feck.....how many more times does wash your hands, keep your distance, wear a mask and stay in your bubble have to be parroted before folk take notice and accept responsibility.

And sorry but I reckon you are telling porkies if with hand on heart you are really trying to claim that you have only had contact with those who have obeyed the rules/guidelines as I know only too well that many have pushed the boundaries as far as they can. I do so wish we had adopted what I understand to have been the Chinese method and physically locked people into there homes and put up roadblocks to stop citizens moving from place to place and instead of our police adopting a softly softly approach hammered transgressors because the bottom line is that the selfish stupidity of a segment of the population is killing people.
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Similar attitude to mine?

I've stuck but the rules for the entire pandemic and haven't seen most of my family since March, apart from my dad who has at one point been in hospital and nearly died, also without being able to see his own family. I now also can't see any of them at Christmas after spending most of the year sat on my own and being told for months that I could, and mentally that has broken me.

I've helped out at a food bank and had to go to work every day. I've delivered people's pescriptions for them. I've been working until 8-9pm most evenings just to try and help people and lost count of how many times I've burnt out or broken down I've had a builder cry over me because his brother died of Covid 19, and his mum, who has lung cancer, has had to sit in a room for the last months of her life, and he can't even take her out for a walk without pathetic morons like you glaring or making ignorant remarks at him. I've seen people crying because they are having to rely on handouts to feed their children while the schools were closed.

THe only thing I learn about people who make posts like this is that you have absolutely feck all idea how difficult this situation is for a lot of people. You sit there making judgements about people as if the situation is piss easy for everyone. Many have lost loved ones and not even been able to see them, had to make horrible sacrifices or choices where there frankly is no right decision. And then they get to contend with being called "irresponsible" by a government who has done nothing since March apart from feck them about. It's taken a campaign from a footballer for children to be fed, during a pandemic. It's taken the red cross getting involved to help people in need in this country. It's taken us getting to a point where we were guaranteed tens of thousands of deaths before the government even bothered to do anything at all. And you think the biggest problem in this country is "people like me" who have been running themselves into the ground to try and help. Why don't you go spit at an ambulance while you're at it?

The last time I say this because frankly go feck yourself, but DO NOT JUDGE PEOPLE WHO YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT. I can absolutely guarantee just from the sheer ignorance of your post that I've done 100x more to help people during this pandemic than you have or will ever bother to. You're an idiot.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That will be up to their home country. They won’t stop them coming home will probably insist on 14 days quarantine on arrival. At least I’m hoping they will do in Ireland anyway (despite the border making life way more complicated than it should be)
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That's been the case for a while - 14 day quarantine from the UK. I think they will change it to allow freight and returning residents only. No business or tourism travel whatsoever allowed, which is really how it should be.

Having said that, catching a ferry across the channel a couple of weeks ago you would think the truckers in the cafe didnt know there was any virus at all.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Hence my scepticism that a huge surge this month is a property of the virus!
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Agreed, my local supermarket is unusable at the moment due to a lack of social distancing and noticeable relaxation in behaviour over the last 6 weeks. I'm also beginning to see more people storm in with shoulders wide wearing no mask as they look to spout vitriol if anybody challenges them.

If the new variant is more infectious it can only be in tandem to what I'm seeing rather than the only explanation. Also, if it really is a lot more infectious I will be interested to see the mortality rate of it as one of the reasons for more infections may be less obvious symptoms leading to more people out and about with it as they have no symptoms to force a test. This in-turn may mean a less dangerous, but more infectious variant.

That's purely guess-work, but infectiveness will be high for a reason and as long as people are reporting symptoms they should not be putting themselves in a situation where they can pass it on which possibly suggests a change in symptoms.
 
11101 said:
That's been the case for a while - 14 day quarantine from the UK. I think they will change it to allow freight and returning residents only. No business or tourism travel whatsoever allowed, which is really how it should be.

Having said that, catching a ferry across the channel a couple of weeks ago you would think the truckers in the cafe didnt know there was any virus at all.
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It’s beyond infuriating when you see people who just don’t give a shit when everyone else is making sacrifices. Didn’t think it was possible but the week that’s in it has made selfish covidiots even more annoying than usual.
 
Tony Babangida said:
Good summary in Science on the new variant.

Pretty balanced article. I can see the reason for concern and I think it is appropriate to be cautious and act now. Need lab experiments to be sure, but that will take month.
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I’ve heard medics speculating that this originated in a single, very sick, patient. Someone who was immune compromised and getting mega doses of monoclonal Ab’s and/or convalescence plasma, which gave the virus ideal conditions for accelerated evolution. One big learning from this might be to take isolation and PPE much more seriously in immune compromised patients. Kind of blows the mind that this new strain might have got out from a hospital into the community, rather than the other way round.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It’s beyond infuriating when you see people who just don’t give a shit when everyone else is making sacrifices. Didn’t think it was possible but the week that’s in it has made selfish covidiots even more annoying than usual.
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I don't understand their mind set and how they don't understand that the restrictions get tougher because they are being so selfish and irresponsible yet that makes them complain even more.

It's like they think oh why are we being punished when we keep breaking the rules?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It’s beyond infuriating when you see people who just don’t give a shit when everyone else is making sacrifices. Didn’t think it was possible but the week that’s in it has made selfish covidiots even more annoying than usual.
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It was bad enough that we spent the whole journey out on deck (imagine how cold that was in December) and will be getting the Eurotunnel back.
 
Wibble said:
Because not only can he pass the blame (win 1) but he can do so based on it actually being more infectious (win 2) if that proves to be true.

They don't operate like the rest of us.
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They've played a get of a jail free card with this for sure. Johnson never takes responsibility for anything, never has in 20 years of public office. He should have stuck to being the the regular standup act at the Tory party annual conference. The man is totally out of his depth was always looking to pass the blame onto the general public for the mess we are in.

If most of us operated like politicians 95% of marriages would end in divorce nobody would be able to hold down a job for more than a few weeks and there would be some pretty serious overcrowding in jails worldwide.
 
11101 said:
I would think the borders will reopen soon to those who can prove a requirement to travel. A British citizen with European residency is one thing, but I cant see how they can exclude European citizens who are stuck in the UK away from their home country.
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Penna said:
Let's hope so. They normally allow people to always return to their place of residence, even when other restrictions are in place.
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Pogue Mahone said:
That will be up to their home country. They won’t stop them coming home will probably insist on 14 days quarantine on arrival. At least I’m hoping they will do in Ireland anyway (despite the border making life way more complicated than it should be)
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Hmm then I suggest you look at how draconian Australia is being with Nationals stranded abroad. Mind you I applaud the Australian government for their stance. Would that we did the same.
 
Tony Babangida said:
Good summary in Science on the new variant.

Pretty balanced article. I can see the reason for concern and I think it is appropriate to be cautious and act now. Need lab experiments to be sure, but that will take months.
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The evolutionary process that led to B.1.1.7 may also occur elsewhere. With vaccines being rolled out, the selective pressure on the virus is going to change, meaning variants that help the virus thrive could be selected for, says Kristian Andersen, an infectious disease researcher at Scripps Research.
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Is that, at some level, implying that the vaccine might not work that well against the new variant or other new variants that might crop up?
 
prateik said:
Is that, at some level, implying that the vaccine might not work that well against the new variant or other new variants that might crop up?
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It’s absolutely implying that. It’s always been a worry. The longer the vaccine roll-out takes the greater the risk. Having the virus pass back and forth between vaccinated and un-vaccinated people could cause viruses which are resistant to the vaccine to develop and thrive.

Although it was always assumed to be not a very big risk, because coronaviruses are fairly stable. Influenza mutates like crazy, hence you need a different vaccine every year. As per the article, one of the reasons this new strain is causing concern is that it’s a surprising amount of mutations in a very short period of time.
 
OK, I am no expert and generally pretty average in life... at best. I may be extremely angry because my future is now unknown (my fiance has a fiance visa and was due to fly here in January but now countries are blocking incoming flights from the UK.... this will have a knock on effect on flights to the UK too as airlines won't see the value). So how much of my thinking below is incorrect:

Boris and co are populist pricks who have fecked up from the start, going all the way back to Brexit... but for this lets just say since he was elected. He was elected again on a complete lie regarding his 'oven ready' Brexit deal and his since just kept fecking it up. This COVID response has been nothing short of a joke from the start - but my most recent issue is this balls up.

This feckwit promises Christmas weeks ago knowing people will be stupid. Will go out shopping and meeting people without a worry. All so he can look like Father Christmas and be some sort of saviour to his idiot followers. Surely all he had to do was not make any promises, tell people after the November lockdown they will remain in Tier 3. I honestly don't think it would have been such a bad reaction if he did, but the reason people kicked off after was because of confusion about the tiers and he promised Christmas. As far as I am aware, no other country promised such stupidity so covered themselves. His reluctance to be bought back down to earth has caused infections to go through the roof and royally fecked us up. Instead of accepting they misread the situation, he blames the new strain and the language they used was just ridiculous - "out of control" etc. Forgetting their words also are heard outside the UK, every other country was able to pile on us and point the finger at us. In doing so, they have fecked the economy more, meant the country doesn't get goods and damaged people's lives beyond Christmas/NY with his reckless selfishness.

Al so he and his idiot mates don't have to admit they were wrong.

Also, a bit of a side question: Is it true Germany and co were seeing huge COVID rises as well? Is it not possible they had the strain but because their leaders aren't complete morons, they didn't need to find an excuse/something else to blame for cancelling Christmas as they never promised it?
 
Suv666 said:
India has banned flights from UK till 31st.
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That's really worried me. My fiance is flying there (from elsewhere) and then coming here on Jan 10th. Now realistically they won't resume flights by then. I know they say it's only banned coming from the UK, but realistically flights going to the UK will be cancelled as well.

The visa she is on requires us to get married in a short time frame. It was hard enough with Tier 4 banning weddings but her not even being in the country is a fecking double whammy
 
Tony Babangida said:
Good summary in Science on the new variant.

Pretty balanced article. I can see the reason for concern and I think it is appropriate to be cautious and act now. Need lab experiments to be sure, but that will take months.
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Sounds about right, caution is needed but i wouldn't be at all surprised if we quickly learn this variant is no more transmittable it's just become dominant at the right time during what was already a surge in cases. Seems to be the thinking coming out of Europe anyway.

Even it was was 70% more effective at transmitting to another person it still needs significant social contact to have this spread. It isn't sneaking through people's letter boxes. If we'd have had the correct tiers to stop spread it simply wouldn't have spiked.
 
LARulz said:
Also, a bit of a side question: Is it true Germany and co were seeing huge COVID rises as well? Is it not possible they had the strain but because their leaders aren't complete morons, they didn't need to find an excuse/something else to blame for cancelling Christmas as they never promised it?
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German politicians have been waffling about Christmas for the last 6 weeks too. It's possible the UK are currently "punished" for one of the things it actually does better, the sequencing of new strains. It's entirely possible this new strain is already in a lot of places in mainland Europe and we just don't know it yet. I guess the current measures are still justified just in case it's not.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It’s beyond infuriating when you see people who just don’t give a shit when everyone else is making sacrifices. Didn’t think it was possible but the week that’s in it has made selfish covidiots even more annoying than usual.
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One of our neighbours, a teacher went to Italy to take up a teaching job. This person is a non-masker, just doesn’t think it will affect her. Loads of pictures of her going places in Italy without a mask to be seen. Came back for Christmas the other day, straight out for dinner with her daughters in Dublin City centre with not a mask between them
 
Buster15 said:
But not retrospectively fixed.
Can I say that I completely disagree with someone else changing the wording of my post.
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He didn’t really change your original post as in he can’t edit your original post. He’s quoted it a d changed a bit to make it humorous and probably what many are thinking! Don’t take it personally, it’s a common post on the Caf
 
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