He's been pretty much spot on throughout this pandemic. He carries a bit more weight in his discussion and points than 'Bacofoil SiRed' from the caf.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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He's been pretty much spot on throughout this pandemic. He carries a bit more weight in his discussion and points than 'Bacofoil SiRed' from the caf.
I have one principal, if you find something in London it's in Paris and vice versa. There are too much transit between these two cities to think otherwise. If they think that the UK are that much of a risk than it should apply to France.
With regard to Boris Johnson and this Governments handling of this crisis I suggest you take the time to read my other posts. If you had taken the time you would know that I don't need a lecture from you or anyone else regarding Doris and his cohorts trustworthiness. As for you being a conspiracy theorist I have read some of your posts. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it's probably a duck.
For your information it is not the Government that is keeping me alive or safe for that matter. I'm doing that all by myself.
You have responded that you are not conspiracy theorist however your previous contributions to this thread suggest otherwise. I also suggested you are not very bright. It is noted that you have not denied this. Your comments regarding Chris Whitty have absolutely no basis is reality but then that's not one of your strong points, is it.
So when the Oxford vaccine gets approved, how many are ready to basically "go"? That's the one the UK hedged all the best on right?
4m in hand and another 15m within a week according to the latest reports.
Oh wow, so that's nearly 10 million people? Or is that the number of people it has enough doses for?
No sports on boxing day?
Pakistan also banned flights until 29th.
I'm positive all these countries will resume flights, because there is a lot of UK population and pakistan benefits
But what is the purpose of these short travel restrictions? Are they just trying to buy time?
I'm positive all these countries will resume flights, because there is a lot of UK population and pakistan benefits
But what is the purpose of these short travel restrictions? Are they just trying to buy time?
It will 100000% imo be 1st jan.
They have told us the new virus is very contagious, they understand this so if they were super bothered about a lockdown they'd do it.
They're preparing for a full lockdown type model until March according to reports.
Between Xmas day and the 30th December update, they will give time for people to get back to their homes because that's where they want everyone to be for lockdown. During that time the Oxford vaccine will be ready to roll out.
So on December 30th he will announce a lockdown on 1st January subject to review every so often.
I really hope (selfishly) India and co reopen flights. But like you, I am not sure what the purpose of this is or how it will end.
India for example are only allowing in citizens/OCI holders, no tourists. To enter, you need a PCR test and potentially quarantine. It's already quite strict entry, so to what end are they doing this ban? What is the criteria for it to be lifted? Do they need our numbers to drop or is this a permanent thing for who knows how long?
I fear it's for the long haul because otherwise this 2 week ban is nothing short of a token gesture and I can't imagine they would. They already have enough checks to go to their countries. I understood Europe doing it as there is no such restrictions, but India, Middle East, other parts of Asia etc. make no sense
Which reports?
I am very glad you're not responsible for public health policy.
Theatre. Must be seen doing something.
An interesting non-techy explanation of why we don't have to panic (yet) about the UK mutant ninja virus evading the vaccines - from one of Moderna's principle researchers. Though she does of course go on to explain that whenever they're notified of a variant - they make it and start testing with it.
Key bit:
" Unlike monoclonal antibody therapies, vaccines (especially those using the whole spike protein) make polyclonal antibody responses. This means that the antibodies your vaccinated body will make will be able to bind the coronavirus spike in multiple places... not just one. "
Key bit:
" Unlike monoclonal antibody therapies, vaccines (especially those using the whole spike protein) make polyclonal antibody responses. This means that the antibodies your vaccinated body will make will be able to bind the coronavirus spike in multiple places... not just one. "
Exactly!
LOOL it doesn't even make sense
Dose numbers, so about 9m people I would say. Difference being is that this can be stored in a normal fridge, so the distribution can be done without the need for specialised logistics (compared to the Pfizer vaccine).
Hmmm... one of the responses makes sense to me. You might stimulate polyclonal antibodies with a vaccine but these will all bind to specific sites on the virus i.e. the antigens presented by the vaccine. If we get significant mutations in those sites, then the vaccine(s) stops working.
Of course, this has nothing to do with the new strain where we have no evidence at all that the mutations are relevant to vaccine efficacy.
Stupid or uneducated question if anyone can answer it.
the new strain of virus is 70% more infectious, what does that mean and how do they get the percentage.
does it last on surfaces longer or linger in the air longer or is it simply if you had coronavirus on your hands and rubbed your nose you may not catch the virus, this new strain has a 70% more chance of you catching it with a COVID hand. Sounds funny but hope makes sense.
the new strain of virus is 70% more infectious, what does that mean and how do they get the percentage.
does it last on surfaces longer or linger in the air longer or is it simply if you had coronavirus on your hands and rubbed your nose you may not catch the virus, this new strain has a 70% more chance of you catching it with a COVID hand. Sounds funny but hope makes sense.
The 70% is based on mathematical models of how fast they predicted the virus would spread vs how fast it actually spread.
Re the second part of your question, they have no idea! A few theories about how this new strain might find it easier to bind to/get into cells in your body but pure speculation at this stage.
The whole thing is based on identifying this new strain, realising it has infected a shit load of people very quickly and working backwards from there. I’m still convinced that the main reason it infected a shitload of people very quickly is because a shitload of people behaved recklessly when the Christmas run-in coincided with giddiness about the imminent vaccine.
Anyone that doesn’t have SiRed on ignore by now, needs their head wobbling.
This article was sent to me by a newbie @scottishred and they are unable to post.
It's about the Oxford vaccine and how many doses. India preparing the same one surprised me slightly
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.bu...et-clearance-by-year-end-report/1/425438.html
It's about the Oxford vaccine and how many doses. India preparing the same one surprised me slightly
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.bu...et-clearance-by-year-end-report/1/425438.html
But it's become the dominant version
It must be doing something better than the other version of it wouldn't have beaten it so severely.
I know people will say they were saying that about the Spanish version - but they weren't really - there was some speculation but also it was just trackable over time
This is different.
It's not like 1 day after this version appeared everyone in the south east had this version.
Thanks for the clear reply and can definitely agree to your last part about causing a spike in cases too.
I notice public behaviour at the moment far more relaxed and casual than what it was in first lockdown when people took the distancing seriously when out and about, and we’re in a more contagious period of time during the winter.
weather hasn’t helped, it was great in the summer with everyone queuing in the sun outside stores with the novelty of waiting your turn to go inside, now it’s pissing down and people just want in
Don’t forget that the vast majority of people out there have never been infected so there are enormous numbers of potential hosts for it to rip through, given half a chance. This isn’t the same thing as a new strain of virus that has been endemic for years and suddenly starts to become dominant over other preexisting strains. All it takes is a few super spreaders and a lot of foolish behaviour for exponential growth to take care of the rest.
I’m definitely in the camp that we err on the side of caution and the steps taken in the UK (and everywhere else) are justified but I’m fairly confident we’ll eventually conclude this strain ended up becoming so dominant mainly because it was in the right place at the right time. That’s speculation on my part, mind you. Time will tell.
Why? Have you no will power that you need a function?
I'm not really up to date with German media but I don't think the penny has dropped yet .
Got back from Heathrow this afternoon and got my wife on the Qatar plane. Will land in Doha and then on to Karachi in the morning. The official Pakistani statement says the flight ban from UK starts at midnight on Tuesday. Which means my wife should just make the cut for arrivals. It's a compassionate trip, not a holiday. But there was no shortage of holiday makers queuing up for flights at terminal 5.
Do you know if this applies to the Oxford vaccine as well?
See, I can understand that might happen at the start.
Like with the Spanish variant - it reaches a Spanish night club and suddenly British tourists are bringing it back from Spain. And they are young, likely to be asymptomatic. They brought it back, it spread amongst the young.
But to become so dominant, albeit the graph I showed is just from Milton Keynes Lighthouse Laboratory...
What’s the worst that could happen?
Agree. It’s not suddenly become measles. I’m not sure where that 70% stat came, seems plucked from thin air with no decent evidence behind it. I wouldn’t be surprised if eventually we find out the changes in this variants transmissibility are marginal, but I can definitely see why they are concerned after looking at the genomics and epidemiology. The idea that it evolved in an immunosuppressed person makes me think we need to be giving those people monoclonals and keeping them in negative pressure rooms with space suits instead of normal PPE.
Here in Sweden police had to intervene during a party hosting 250 people the other day.
And by intervene, I mean strongly advise them to stop the party, because the Swedish legislation doesn't allow them to do more. No wonder we're fecked here
If I were a legislator I'd have them fined or put in prison for such blatant disregard for other people's health (I mean, knowingly transmitting HIV without telling the other part is punishable by prison) and then have them pay the money that their hospital stay costs themselves if they end up there, which is about £350/day in a regular ward and ten times that in the ICU. Why am I supposed to pay with my tax money for people who obviously don't give a shit about the pandemic?
Absolutely. Also makes me wonder if they should jump the vaccination queue (assuming they’re immune competent enough to respond)
We have that every weekend, death penalty would put a stop to it. I would be so happy.Here in Sweden police had to intervene during a party hosting 250 people the other day.
And by intervene, I mean strongly advise them to stop the party, because the Swedish legislation doesn't allow them to do more. No wonder we're fecked here
If I were a legislator I'd have them fined or put in prison for such blatant disregard for other people's health (I mean, knowingly transmitting HIV without telling the other part is punishable by prison) and then have them pay the money that their hospital stay costs themselves if they end up there, which is about £350/day in a regular ward and ten times that in the ICU. Why am I supposed to pay with my tax money for people who obviously don't give a shit about the pandemic?
So looking at that chart the fact it's winning out over the other variant is a given.
Is it causing more cases than would have otherwise been seen? Or is it replacing other variants?
The claims would suggest the former but then why has the number of cases involving previously known variants reduced so significantly?