SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

So today we decided that my family(wife and kids) and my wifes sisters family (husband and a kid) and their mother and husband would all isolate ourself for ten days before Christmas to be able to spend it together. The kids missing three days at school, but all of them was more than willing to sacrifice that to spend christmas with their grandparents.

I am not sure that its a good idea or that its even manangeble, but if anyone ”breaks the rules” we will cancel.

Food is ordered and thankfully we got a big garden so i can be outside with the smallest one lots of the time. Just quit my job and dont start a new one before february so for my own sake i would be staying home anyway.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I had one on Monday night! Was in a plastic glass but still tasted fecking delicious.
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You bastard! My local isn't doing takeaway pints.

Hopefully they do them when I'm back home at Christmas, or even better, hopefully the food-pubs are open. I'll set a new record for pints of Guinness drank in 105 minutes.
 
McGrathsipan said:
Where did you get it?
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There’s a bunch of pubs near where I live (in Dublin) doing takeout pints. It got a bit crazy over the weekend, with mobs drinking pints on the street but a nice quiet pint on a Monday is still an option. I drank it on a building site*, as it turns out, but was a damn fine pint all the same.


*Friend having gaff renovated on my road, so when it started to rain we had our pints in the shell of his house.
 
New cases have seemingly dropped off a cliff? From 18-24k per day, it was 11k yesterday and on a steep downward march?

608 deaths released yesterday, highest since 11 May
 
Tibs said:
New cases have seemingly dropped off a cliff? From 18-24k per day, it was 11k yesterday and on a steep downward march?

608 deaths released yesterday, highest since 11 May
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No, the data isn't correct I don't think. North West looks very low & NI have already reported an issue with their data.

F-Red said:
I think today's case numbers look strangely low, in England alone the new case numbers are half of what they were last week. Something doesn't look right in the data.
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I live in Kent (south East of England). Somehow infection rates have massively increased during this latest lockdown.

We went into the lockdown in tier 1. I fully expect us to come out of the lockdown in tier 3.
 
Judas said:
One day should be enough. I just don't get the desperation over christmas, it's one day. Wouldn't people rather have an open January?
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It’s not that simple. I’d have to drive four hours each way to see family and it was bad enough last year on the roads. Let alone how it’s going to be squeezing all the traffic into a few days.

In all honestly, is there a difference between spending 3 days with family or 5. Surely if you have it, then you’re pretty much guaranteed to pass it on in three days anyway.
 
Strangely with me, the number of COVID cases I seem to see seems to have dropped but I'm definitely seeing sicker patients.
The vast majority of my patients deteriorate rapidly at present - they either get shipped quickly to intensive care for intubation, or they are unfortunately kept comfortable.
It says a lot that my ITU department is completely saturated. Even when it was at its worst, we'd definitely see scope to be able to send at least one patient in there per day.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
There’s a bunch of pubs near where I live (in Dublin) doing takeout pints. It got a bit crazy over the weekend, with mobs drinking pints on the street but a nice quiet pint on a Monday is still an option. I drank it on a building site*, as it turns out, but was a damn fine pint all the same.


*Friend having gaff renovated on my road, so when it started to rain we had our pints in the shell of his house.
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The good old days - I grew up in Dublin 15 and many a can of Bulmers was drank in building sites of the new houses being built in what is now Ongar/Clonee etc
 
acnumber9 said:
You have to laugh at that gormless twat Matt Hancock. Now he’s asking why people in Britain think it’s acceptable to go to work when you’re sick? Maybe it has something to do with the appalling sick pay people get or the fact their own civil service issue out warnings once you pass 8 days absence in 12 months.
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If you want people to stay home you need to pay them to stay home.

It's crazy. There's an outbreak in my girlfriend's office at the moment because someone came in for their last few days when their husband had tested positive.

Sick pay isn't statutory and their company only pay sick pay if you're there over a year and not when you're working your notice.

On her last day she went home with a fever and now there's 4 or 5 of them with symptoms. Two have tested positive and the others are waiting on results. Typhoid Mary obviously shouldn't have been in the office but if she was paid to stay home she would have done that.
 
SiRed said:
Another mistake in a long list since March.
Its almost as if Boris had organised a massive christmas doo at his place in January, doesnt want to back out and cannot be seen going against his own advise, Cummings style.
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Only three households are allowed. Boris wont be able to see all of his kids this Christmas.
 
Withnail said:
Some of the pubs near me are doing food/drink deliveries. Pint of Guinness delivered to your door in a glass and everything!
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makes sense in terms of supporting your local but otherwise, what’s the point? People pay extra for a pint for the social aspect. Otherwise may as well pay a quarter of the price and just buy from the offey
 
stepic said:
makes sense in terms of supporting your local but otherwise, what’s the point? People pay extra for a pint for the social aspect. Otherwise may as well pay a quarter of the price and just buy from the offey
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Well, yeah I see what you mean and I wouldn't bother for a beer.

I get the odd pint of Guinness because you just can't get that in the offie. Cans of Guinness are a different drink altogether.
 
Withnail said:
If you want people to stay home you need to pay them to stay home.

It's crazy. There's an outbreak in my girlfriend's office at the moment because someone came in for their last few days when their husband had tested positive.

Sick pay isn't statutory and their company only pay sick pay if you're there over a year and not when you're working your notice.

On her last day she went home with a fever and now there's 4 or 5 of them with symptoms. Two have tested positive and the others are waiting on results. Typhoid Mary obviously shouldn't have been in the office but if she was paid to stay home she would have done that.
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Yep. It’s alright for that twat but he’s completely out of touch with the reality of why people go to work when they’re sick. They’re practically forced to. I would hope that this pandemic would see them wise up but I don’t think they’ve even considered the reasons why.
 
gormless said:
Get the ban hammer out
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Is it really all that wrong? The Meningitis vaccine was selected as a placebo because the Covid vaccine was producing painful side effects that would not occur with a saline placebo. And the efficacy was initially looking like just 62% until a dosing error brought them to the 90% result.
 
Today's data shows increases - death rate scary high....hopefully things go down from today.

18k cases / 696 deaths
 
Tibs said:
Today's data shows increases - death rate scary high....hopefully things go down from today.

18k cases / 696 deaths
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There’s a lag between cases and deaths. So the deaths you’re seeing now are from much higher cases numbers a week or two ago. There’s a good chance they’ll get even higher before they turn the corner. All you should hope for now is cases to level out/decrease.
 
So with the vaccine planned on being given to the few in December, will we see a noticeable change in the numbers.
 
giggs-beckham said:
So with the vaccine planned on being given to the few in December, will we see a noticeable change in the numbers.
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In the initial stages it won't be that big a factor and although beneficial it will be hard to isolate the exact effect in the infection data.
 
11101 said:
Is it really all that wrong? The Meningitis vaccine was selected as a placebo because the Covid vaccine was producing painful side effects that would not occur with a saline placebo. And the efficacy was initially looking like just 62% until a dosing error brought them to the 90% result.
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That certainly seems problematic to me, had no idea a "placebo" could be a vaccine with side effects, it would seem this would make the covid vaccine appear to have less side effects.

https://theconversation.com/coronav...important-to-know-whats-in-the-placebo-146365
 
Massive Spanner said:
You bastard! My local isn't doing takeaway pints.

Hopefully they do them when I'm back home at Christmas, or even better, hopefully the food-pubs are open. I'll set a new record for pints of Guinness drank in 105 minutes.
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It’d take me that long to suffer my way through one. Revolting stuff.

Come at me.
 
Beans said:
That certainly seems problematic to me, had no idea a "placebo" could be a vaccine with side effects, it would seem this would make the covid vaccine appear to have less side effects.

https://theconversation.com/coronav...important-to-know-whats-in-the-placebo-146365
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It's done with good intentions - they don't want people to know whether it's a placebo or not. Knowing that whatever you take you might/might not have side effects avoids the situation where people who have a reaction to the vaccine start behaving differently (and increase their risk). Individuals would still report their side-effects though, which is what the study is trying to capture.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
There’s a lag between cases and deaths. So the deaths you’re seeing now are from much higher cases numbers a week or two ago. There’s a good chance they’ll get even higher before they turn the corner. All you should hope for now is cases to level out/decrease.
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Yeah, however I think that by 20/12, just as
11101 said:
Is it really all that wrong? The Meningitis vaccine was selected as a placebo because the Covid vaccine was producing painful side effects that would not occur with a saline placebo. And the efficacy was initially looking like just 62% until a dosing error brought them to the 90% result.
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What do you mean dosing error?

Was the partial shot, followed by a full shot a fluke?

Is there confidence that the Oxford Vaccine will get approval if the data/trials aren't robust enough for the 90% effecacy?
 
giggs-beckham said:
So with the vaccine planned on being given to the few in December, will we see a noticeable change in the numbers.
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Death rates maybe, case rates not at all. We won't see any impact on numbers till probably February/March at the earliest I would say.
 
giggs-beckham said:
So with the vaccine planned on being given to the few in December, will we see a noticeable change in the numbers.
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All the vaccines require 2 doses, 28 days apart, so even starting next week, they wouldn't be fully effective until mid-January.
 
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