Yup. Get him now, get rid of one of Young/Valencia in the summer and then buy someone even better then.
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Yup. Get him now, get rid of one of Young/Valencia in the summer and then buy someone even better then.
There was a couple of articles, I think one was by the Telegraph who said Muto (the Japanese fella playing in the Bundesliga for Mainz[?]) and Mane were on the radar. That was quite recent, only a week old or so.
Guy was 2 hours late for the team meeting. 2 fecking hours.
Can't imagine that kind of indiscipline sitting well with LvG
Seems very convenient he decides to do this the first game week of the window. Get it done Woody.
He was two hours late? Was the meeting even still going on at that stage?
It does suggest he's trying to force a move but Matt Le Tissier did say on Soccer Saturday that this certainly wasn't the first time his time-keeping/general attitude had been an issue at Southampton which is not a great sign.
Didnt he arrive late to a meeting that was 2 hours before the game and not late 2 hours after the meeting?
Makes more sense. I didn't think Team Meetings lasted two hours - or even longer.
Thats reasonable compared to what the link says
For real, and the number factors in his wages as well. United will pay a panic tax on him, for sure.Thats reasonable compared to what the link says
Yep, that's what koeman is quoted as saying in the article.
He does well to have good spells of form at Southampton but is quite limited and if these attitude problems are apparent as well then he shouldn't have a place here.
In what way is he limited?
I don't think he is a particularly great finisher, capable of great finishes but not a great finisher. Don't think he has a particularly grand first touch nor do I see him as a great passer. He is good in a lot of these aspects however, has a good turn of pace and is by no means a bad player but long term I would see him ideally as a squad option for a team pushing into the upper reaches, which I don't think 25 - 30 odd million should be buying. Particularly with his aforementioned problems with attitude.
For me, that's a red flag and should give Woody pause.
He's pretty well rounded, actually. He's strong, extremely quick, pretty quick feet, good stamina. And his end product is quite good as well. He's got 9 goals plus assists this season in 17 league games. He got 13 goals plus assists in the league last season in 24 games.
So I'd say that he isn't limited but in fact well rounded. What he does lack is genuine top class ability on the ball. He's not Hazard, Sanchez, Isco, Di Maria etc from what I've seen in terms of raw ability. So we will still need that in the summer. But as has been said before, we need more than one wide attacker. So, I'd welcome Mane, as long as we're looking to get a martial-type talent/player in the summer.
Yeah, agreed. He's a good player, quick and a good dribbler, but isn't really top level starting material. If we were to spend big on a winger in the premier league, who is at a smaller club, it would be Mahrez without a doubt. He's a few levels above Mane.
I'd still take mane since he improves us right now and squad wise in the future, but there are a lot better potential and current ability wise.
Is he actually better than Mahrez, though? Both will be moving soon from their clubs. I'd rather we got the better of the two if we're getting one for then. Either way, we'd need one more but of course we should get the best possible two.
Yeah I suppose I can go with that, limited probably isn't a good way of putting it he is as I said a good player but I don't see too much more beyond where he is right now he will be 24 by the seasons end which while still isn't old, is about where you would expect him to be coming into his peak or at least on the turn for getting that way.
I don't know, it could turn out to be good business but all things considered I wouldn't want to shell out £30+ million and wages for him. If players like Mane and Mahrez are out in the football world ether for the more modest prices that were paid for them then we should be looking there. Go to the source.
I agree with some of what you say , he would be one of the most complete players in the EPL. He absolutely has top class on the ball. He has a very nice first touch but more importantly all the technical bits are there. He can receive with either foot, he can dribble with the ball close or in front, he is a heads up player, his body shape when receiving is text book perfect, he always attempts to receive so he can go forward, he is strong, very very quick from a standing start with or without the ball, he has a nice passing range and so often sees great passes. He can head the ball, shoot with either foot and is strong enough to hold of challenges. he can do it all at pace and under pressure. My only worry with him is his temperament. I have seen him a couple of times this season become quite petulant but nothing too major so far. At some point I think a bigger club will buy him and when that happens people will see him take a big step forward. He lacks experience to a certain degree but his technical excellence as time goes forward will see his skill level keep improving. Southampton arent helping his cause, I think he is going to become a big player at a big club in the next few years.
I still think Mane is the better player for us. He's more explosive and hats just what we need.
I share your concern. We don't have enough players of genuine top class ability on the ball, like Martial has, and I'm also slightly weary of us signing "good" players now who don't have that potential, because you don't want to stack those up in your squad, all on high fees and wages, still leaving you needing genuinely great players.
So, yeah, if this is going to be the wide attacker we sign to sort out all our wide attacker problems come August of 2016, I will be very very very concerned. If he's just one of those kind of attackers we sign, I'm fine.
And my sharing your concern is reflected in the fact that I really want us to sign Leroy Sane, a kid who is billed to be a top player. I'm much happier with signings that have that elite potential.
Great to hear what you say regarding his technical ability. Maybe I underrate him in that respect. He has been able to beat his man very easily in the games I've seen him play but haven't been sure whether he's got it all in as much control as someone like Sanchez, for example, does. That's my only doubt really. He seems to have an eye for goal and doesn't seem selfish in the pithy either. Physically he is ace, of course, strong and absolutely rapid. Could be the perfect foil for martial.
To wet the appetite, here is some bits of skill from this half-season alone:
It's actually easy to underrate his ability on the ball because he's all hustle-bustle and little elegance, but he's got a lot of it.
Come to think of it, is there another player who has that sort of rapid pace, as well as ability on the ball, who is available? I can't think of any. It's a great combination which is rare to find.
It's actually easy to underrate his ability on the ball because he's all hustle-bustle and little elegance, but he's got a lot of it.
Come to think of it, is there another player who has that sort of rapid pace, as well as ability on the ball, who is available? I can't think of any. It's a great combination which is rare to find.
This.
Valencia doesnt even play as winger anymore but as RB where he's done well and was a more than capable deputy for Darmian even outperforming him before his injury.
Young has been one of top performing players, and outperformed two shiny new toys in consecutive seasons.
They are just easy targets.
Thankfully, I cant see the management doing something that silly, and both players have gotten new contracts recently.
Yep agree Valencia and Young are valuable squad players and worth their weight here. I'd love us to sign Mane and Moura watching those two in a team with Martial would be electric. Would take massive pressure of Rooney Mata and Depay all for different reasons.
He looks to have some talent, bit of pace is missing down the right. For all that Young did today, he lacks the raw speed to go past a man.
Worth a shot as long as it's not a ridiculous fee / contract
Worth a shot as long as it's not a ridiculous fee / contract
Mane would be a good signing to play behind the striker. However, Griezmann is my favorite player to sign in that position.
If we sign Mane, we still need a right winger. I know that he can play as a right winger but I prefer to see him where he is at his best.
Sane, Moura, Mahrez or Felipe Anderson could be our options as a right winger.
If we sign Mane, we still need a right winger. I know that he can play as a right winger but I prefer to see him where he is at his best.
Sane, Moura, Mahrez or Felipe Anderson could be our options as a right winger.
Just can't see it happening January, and do we really want a player who might have a poor attitude, especially as if it does happen it'll be for an inflated fee.
Anyway LvG is hell bent it seems on playing the same style so might as well just stick with what we've got.
Anyway LvG is hell bent it seems on playing the same style so might as well just stick with what we've got.
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Hope not. Don't want a player with that attitude.
The only thing this guy is not is limited.
Good player but the prices Southampton are allegedly quoting are ridiculous.
We should have someone better on the right rear flank than a converted fullback who was moved from his natural role because he's too shit there. Id keep Young for another year as Rome wasn't built in a day. However its evident that he's not the level we're aiming for
24 million?
I think that the park the bus tactics will make forwards less relevant. Unless a striker is a Van Basten, he will always struggle against a defence made up of 5-6 players. Hence why we need more quality on the flanks and as no 10. Players who will stretch the defense, exploit the gaps left by the forward and score.
The question is who can do that? While I wouldn't label players like Mahrez and Mane as not M.U.Q quite the contrary. The goal ratio the likes of Mahrez and Mane have is simply astounding. However we also need to acknowledge that its easier to score goals when you're playing with the likes of Southampton and Leicester as no one use the park the bus tactic against them. Actually teams are busier trying to score goals against those teams which means these players have more space to act. I guess the easier answer to that would be, are the player's we're aiming for better to what we have? Its still difficult to answer that because time and time again we've seen players who were absolutely mint elsewhere and who weren't as good as OT (Depay, Young etc).
The question is who can do that? While I wouldn't label players like Mahrez and Mane as not M.U.Q quite the contrary. The goal ratio the likes of Mahrez and Mane have is simply astounding. However we also need to acknowledge that its easier to score goals when you're playing with the likes of Southampton and Leicester as no one use the park the bus tactic against them. Actually teams are busier trying to score goals against those teams which means these players have more space to act. I guess the easier answer to that would be, are the player's we're aiming for better to what we have? Its still difficult to answer that because time and time again we've seen players who were absolutely mint elsewhere and who weren't as good as OT (Depay, Young etc).
Some great points, Dev...
I really want us to sign him. Always been impressed whenever I've watched him.
Could he also be the type of #10 that LVG likes? Someone who's not really an attacking midfielder, not a leading man, but just behind the main striker who's pacy and tricky enough to run beyond the main striker and make things happen. If our interest in him and Anderson comes true, then we could possibly line up like this:
Martial--------Rooney---------Anderson
-----------------Mane--------------------
------Schneiderlin-----Bastian----------
That would be a pretty pacy and direct forward line, something which we are lacking right now.
Could he also be the type of #10 that LVG likes? Someone who's not really an attacking midfielder, not a leading man, but just behind the main striker who's pacy and tricky enough to run beyond the main striker and make things happen. If our interest in him and Anderson comes true, then we could possibly line up like this:
Martial--------Rooney---------Anderson
-----------------Mane--------------------
------Schneiderlin-----Bastian----------
That would be a pretty pacy and direct forward line, something which we are lacking right now.
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