Devil81
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Anything over 30 million would be day light robbery.
Some great points, Dev...
Yeah, agreed. He's a good player, quick and a good dribbler, but isn't really top level starting material. If we were to spend big on a winger in the premier league, who is at a smaller club, it would be Mahrez without a doubt. He's a few levels above Mane.
I'd still take mane since he improves us right now and squad wise in the future, but there are a lot better potential and current ability wise.
Valencia has been a very good RB especially in the league.We should have someone better on the right rear flank than a converted fullback who was moved from his natural role because he's too shit there. Id keep Young for another year as Rome wasn't built in a day. However its evident that he's not the level we're aiming for
Did you watch him at RB Salzburg?- If so, did you expect this trajectory?The only thing this guy is not is limited.
Valencia has been a very good RB especially in the league.
There is a shortage of those in world footballl right now. Can you name just 3 good rb's that are obtainable and would be a massive upgrade on him?
This mythical level people keep talking about. You still need good squad players at that level. Think of the 99 UCl final and our starting midfield to see proof of that.
The trouble with extremely average players is they tend to let you down when you need them the most. Sometimes other players would compensate. For example during the treble season a typical rash tackle from Philip Neville which gifted Arsenal with a penalty in the FA cup semifinal could have easily ended our treble hopes. Luckily Schmeichel (world class) saved the day and Giggs (world class) turned a tragedy into an opportunity by scoring one of the nicest goals in Britain's football history. Phil Nev went on knocking England out of the Euro 2000 with another of his trademark tackles inside the box just a year after.
Of course its impossible to eradicate all these sort of players from a top squad. However that is the aim of all the truly top sides. Year in year out teams like Bayern, Barcelona and Real tend to invest huge sums of money to close any gaps and improve the quality of the side. Strictly speaking they don't need to because they got a fabulous team, however they do so to remain on top and they don't want that last year's weaknesses are exploited this year as they may knock them off their perch. That is why the likes of Barcelona and Bayern are seriously competing for the CL every 3-5 years while we only won it twice throughout SAF long reign.
Returning to Valencia, he's 30 and we already had to move him to RB because he's just too crap to play in his natural role. Its time we start thinking of whether its wise to replace him with someone whose got the potential to be top quality especially since Darmian (whose younger, more versatile and hopefully a better fullback) seem pretty reserve level himself
Including me! Good thing I'm not in charge of United's transfers.That some on here would take Pedro before this guy
It was a terrible tackle late in the game and could have cost us. But for every Phil Neville, there's a Wes Brown stepping up massively in UCL winning team.The trouble with extremely average players is they tend to let you down when you need them the most. Sometimes other players would compensate. For example during the treble season a typical rash tackle from Philip Neville which gifted Arsenal with a penalty in the FA cup semifinal could have easily ended our treble hopes. Luckily Schmeichel (world class) saved the day and Giggs (world class) turned a tragedy into an opportunity by scoring one of the nicest goals in Britain's football history. Phil Nev went on knocking England out of the Euro 2000 with another of his trademark tackles inside the box just a year after.
Of course its impossible to eradicate all these sort of players from a top squad. However that is the aim of all the truly top sides. Year in year out teams like Bayern, Barcelona and Real tend to invest huge sums of money to close any gaps and improve the quality of the side. Strictly speaking they don't need to because they got a fabulous team, however they do so to remain on top and they don't want that last year's weaknesses are exploited this year as they may knock them off their perch. That is why the likes of Barcelona and Bayern are seriously competing for the CL every 3-5 years while we only won it twice throughout SAF long reign.
Returning to Valencia, he's 30 and we already had to move him to RB because he's just too crap to play in his natural role. Its time we start thinking of whether its wise to replace him with someone whose got the potential to be top quality especially since Darmian (whose younger, more versatile and hopefully a better fullback) seem pretty reserve level himself
It was a terrible tackle late in the game and could have cost us. But for every Phil Neville, there's a Wes Brown stepping up massively in UCL winning team.
Good squad players that can easily fit into the side and can still perform at a high level are pivotal. It's what has been the pillar stone of United over the years. Even the Barca's of this world have their own kind of those players. For example, Sergio Roberto who was much maligned by most Barca fans stepped up massively in Messi's absence even scoring in El Clasico.
Yes, Valencia was poor at RW for whatever reason, but was good at RB. And even though he's 30 he doesnt have as much mileage like someone like Rooney and is still performing well. Lets judge him on that...
Why would they want to sell him? He's their best player.Surely Saints are selling him in Jan.
His latest trick might just make them rethink not to sell him.. He is available for the right amount.Why would they want to sell him? He's their best player.
Because Southampton aren't a team that can hold off the top teams for too long. Especially when they're struggling as they are this season.Why would they want to sell him? He's their best player.
I just think they won't sell this month.Because Southampton aren't a team that can hold off the top teams for too long. Especially when they're struggling as they are this season.
Why would they want to sell him? He's their best player.
If we offer 25-30m then I'm sure they'll let him go, especially after he started kicking up a fuss. It's more of a matter of us going for him rather then them being willing to let him go I think. With Stones, Everton can and will hold out I'm sure if we went for him.I just think they won't sell this month.
Valencia has been a very good RB especially in the league.
There is a shortage of those in world footballl right now. Can you name just 3 good rb's that are obtainable and would be a massive upgrade on him?
This mythical level people keep talking about. You still need good squad players at that level. Think of the 99 UCl final and our starting midfield to see proof of that.
Why would they want to sell him? He's their best player.
Ive watched every game he has played this season, clearly their best player and just once this season during a game did he show any petulance but that may have been frustration as he had to go off injured. Of course there is this weeks incident but he has still been their best player all season.He hasn't been this season though. A lot of Saints fans seem to want him gone for both his attitude and poor form.
They're garbage right now though, apart from that freak twatting of Arsenal.
They managed to hold onto Schneiderlin for another year, and he ended up going to United instead of Spurs.Because Southampton aren't a team that can hold off the top teams for too long. Especially when they're struggling as they are this season.
It's not going to happen because as you said it's bonkers. We're not going to loan Mata.Might sound bonkers but how about we loan them Mata until the end of the season in return for them selling us Mane now, If Mane comes in it likely to be in place of Mata and we could use Lingard as cover for Mane on the right.
The only other position for Mata would be the number 10 place, but we have Herrera/Rooney/Fellaini/Periera who can all play there so Mata is unlikely to play much, and for someone who is going to be desperate to play in the Euros he needs to play, at Southampton he most likely would, and if he does and has a great time at Southampton and the Euros it would only increase any potential fee for him, because if LvG is staying then Mata will be off imo.
A bit far fetched I know but it is transfer season.
It's not going to happen because as you said it's bonkers. We're not going to loan Mata.
Anything over 30 million would be day light robbery.
Yeah I know, he's a gonna in the summer though.
Van Gaal will go before Mata does.
MaybeYeah I know, he's a gonna in the summer though.
Maybe
Just can't see a use for him long term, he's not a right winger and is not going to be first choice as the number 10, and for a £37 million player on £150 p/wk+ he needs to be.
If LvG stays he is a certainty to be gone, if LvG goes then he stands an outside chance of staying for a while longer.
Yep agree he simply doesn't warrant a team being built around him as he's not good enough for that, good player in the right set up though. But horribly exposed in this team and looks far worse than he is.