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DWelbz19 said:
Well there's two reasons. The first is that Mkhitaryan didn't perform well under Klopp, really not fitting Klopp's system nor managerial style. The second, is quite simply the fact that Liverpool are not an appealing club for a player at Dortmund. Mkhitaryan wouldn't want to join them. Early rumours that Arsenal were interested in him too, but if you believe Raiola (dubious source, I know) Manchester United is the club he wants.
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To me it would make a lot more sense that given Klopp's connections Mkhitaryan would be a more straight forward transfer. One of Klopp's biggest strength seems to be his eye for talent and as you mentioned, I don't think Klopp rates him as highly as Mane. For most parts I would agree to the fact that Mane is a better bet.

ReDDHDevilS said:
2) Mkhitaryan didn't perform well under Klopp and he somewhat blamed Klopp for that. This is what he said;
"With Klopp, he was a football madman: pressure and counter-attack," Mkhitaryan said. "Instead, Tuchel has changed our lives. Now we command the game and I have more freedom to attack. Thanks to him I now make myself more useful."
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Thanks for the quotes. It might make sense that Klopp doesn't want Mkhitaryan simply because they don't have a good working relationship.
 
RedCurry said:
To me it would make a lot more sense that given Klopp's connections Mkhitaryan would be a more straight forward transfer. One of Klopp's biggest strength seems to be his for talent and as you mentioned, I don't think Klopp rates him as highly as Mane. For most parts I would agree to the fact that Mane is a better bet.


Thanks for the quotes. It might make sense that Klopp doesn't want Mkhitaryan simply because they don't have a good working relationship.
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Not all clubs use the same/similar managerial model of SAF's United. I wouldn't credit Klopp too much with talent recruitment. Dortmund scouting recruiting system seems to be underrated when they still getting talent in despite of Klopp departure.

Time will tell whether Klopp does a Poch or Rodgers with his talent recruiting.
 
RedCurry said:
To me it would make a lot more sense that given Klopp's connections Mkhitaryan would be a more straight forward transfer. One of Klopp's biggest strength seems to be his for talent and as you mentioned, I don't think Klopp rates him as highly as Mane. For most parts I would agree to the fact that Mane is a better bet.


Thanks for the quotes. It might make sense that Klopp doesn't want Mkhitaryan simply because they don't have a good working relationship.
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You're contradicting yourself here. Make up your mind which one you truly believe!

As for your first claim, that's purely your wild guesswork. You've nothing to back it up. Let's not make Klopp some kind of god here, he's bought plenty of duds.
 
ti vu said:
Not all clubs use the same/similar managerial model of SAF's United. I wouldn't credit Klopp too much with talent recruitment. Dortmund scouting recruiting system seems to be underrated when they still getting talent in despite of Klopp departure.

Time will tell whether Klopp does a Poch or Rodgers with his talent recruiting.
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Spot on. It doesn't matter who is managing Dortmund, they won't have problem finding gems.
 
RedCurry said:
To me it would make a lot more sense that given Klopp's connections Mkhitaryan would be a more straight forward transfer. One of Klopp's biggest strength seems to be his for talent and as you mentioned, I don't think Klopp rates him as highly as Mane. For most parts I would agree to the fact that Mane is a better bet.
Thanks for the quotes. It might make sense that Klopp doesn't want Mkhitaryan simply because they don't have a good working relationship.
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Why would it make it a straight forward transfer? He can't manage to pry Gotze - his golden child - from a side who wants nothing to do with him. Dortmund are playing the hardest of hardball here, it isn't simple at all. The player wants the move to us, the club doesn't. Klopp can't change that.
 
Martial on the left, Mkhi through the middle and Mane on the right would be delicious. But since we dont seem interested, i guess Jose would go for him if he would have liked him.
 
RedCurry said:
It's a bit telling that Mkhitaryan and Mane are available at the same price and will probably play the same position but Klopp who has managed Mkhitaryan would rather go for Mane and we are not even trying for him.
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He turned Pool down for Dortmund, why would he want to go there now? Its more of getting what you can when it comes to Liverpool, we have a choice and have chosen Mkhitaryan.
 
If Mkhitaryan wants to play for United why would Klopp try to sign him? It doesn't make much sense.
 
For £25m+ add ons he'd be a great signing for them. I think we could do with his speed and strength on the counter attack ourselves more than Mick O'Terryan with bring.
 
Southampton just bought Nathaniel Redmond for £10m, similar player to replace Mané and they prob end up with another £10m-£15m to strengthen other areas. Good work by Southampton.

If we he's now available then we should be sniffing around this for sure.
 
ti vu said:
Not all clubs use the same/similar managerial model of SAF's United. I wouldn't credit Klopp too much with talent recruitment. Dortmund scouting recruiting system seems to be underrated when they still getting talent in despite of Klopp departure.

Time will tell whether Klopp does a Poch or Rodgers with his talent recruiting.
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Fair enough, we'll see I suppose.

DWelbz19 said:
Why would it make it a straight forward transfer? He can't manage to pry Gotze - his golden child - from a side who wants nothing to do with him. Dortmund are playing the hardest of hardball here, it isn't simple at all. The player wants the move to us, the club doesn't. Klopp can't change that.
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I was obviously suggesting Klopp would presumably have good relationship with Dortmund execs as well as the player that would make it easier for him to get the player. A bit like Memphis to us. If you believe the reports Dortmund will sell for 40 million Euros which is about the same amount being quoted for Mane so I don't think they are going to play hardball if Liverpool met their valuation of the player.

Varun said:
He turned Pool down for Dortmund, why would he want to go there now? Its more of getting what you can when it comes to Liverpool, we have a choice and have chosen Mkhitaryan.
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I didn't even know about him rejecting Liverpool. I just found it strange though that Klopp didn't even try to get a player he has already coached before.

ReDDHDevilS said:
You're contradicting yourself here. Make up your mind which one you truly believe!

As for your first claim, that's purely your wild guesswork. You've nothing to back it up. Let's not make Klopp some kind of god here, he's bought plenty of duds.
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How am I contradicting myself? I wasn't stating anything factual, at least not intentionally. You are right about my post being a guesswork and it's not just the first bit that you highlighted. In fact both quotes you highlighted are pure guesswork. And as it often is the case with guessing, you may consider the possibility that what someone else is saying might be more correct than what you believe(or guessed).
 
Mane was some one i desperately wanted, but think it would be a mistake to sign a second african player in a african cup of nations years, could have two of our starting 11 disappear for a month, and who knows what other injurys and what not we might have then.

still be gutted to see him in a scouser shirt :s
 
Varun said:
He turned Pool down for Dortmund, why would he want to go there now? Its more of getting what you can when it comes to Liverpool, we have a choice and have chosen Mkhitaryan.
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I seem to remember Mkhitarayn criticised Klopp for his training methods. Think it was something like "his training methods are stupid and he's a silly man." I'm paraphrasing BTW.

Don't know if he didn't like the work he had to put in or they just didn't get on. Either way it's no surprise klopps not looking at him.
 
bio202 said:
I seem to remember Mkhitarayn criticised Klopp for his training methods. Think it was something like "his training methods are stupid and he's a silly man." I'm paraphrasing BTW.

Don't know if he didn't like the work he had to put in or they just didn't get on. Either way it's no surprise klopps not looking at him.
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His criticism was about the counter attacking style iirc. He said he enjoys Tuchel's style which let's them control the game and thus gets the best out of him. I was talking about the time he loved to Dortmund. Pool had also made an offer and he chose Dortmund. His comment was fantastic too. Said pool have a great history but Dortmund have the better present and that's what interests him.
 
I like him a lot and also like the fact that although indifferent at times, I like players who have already cut their teeth in the Prem.
 
Varun said:
His criticism was about the counter attacking style iirc. He said he enjoys Tuchel's style which let's them control the game and thus gets the best out of him. I was talking about the time he loved to Dortmund. Pool had also made an offer and he chose Dortmund. His comment was fantastic too. Said pool have a great history but Dortmund have the better present and that's what interests him.
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I understood what you meant, I think the quotes I'm talking about came much more recently. It wasn't anything to do with pool, more about his time under Klopp at bvb.

I maybe wrong as I'm getting old and senile. :eek:
 
bio202 said:
I understood what you meant, I think the quotes I'm talking about came much more recently. It wasn't anything to do with pool, more about his time under Klopp at bvb.

I maybe wrong as I'm getting old and senile. :eek:
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Your memory is right. See this.
Varun said:
His criticism was about the counter attacking style iirc. He said he enjoys Tuchel's style which let's them control the game and thus gets the best out of him. I was talking about the time he loved to Dortmund. Pool had also made an offer and he chose Dortmund. His comment was fantastic too. Said pool have a great history but Dortmund have the better present and that's what interests him.
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This was from that interview. He also talked negatively about Klopp's pressing and counterattacking style.
 
ManUchosenbosslvg said:
Southampton just bought Nathaniel Redmond for £10m, similar player to replace Mané and they prob end up with another £10m-£15m to strengthen other areas. Good work by Southampton.

If we he's now available then we should be sniffing around this for sure.
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Maybe this is what we all should do - we should hijack Southampton's signings instead whenever a player of theirs is about to leave on an expensive transfer.
 
Mane is a useful player. He could definitely win you some games a season but I'd like us to aim higher and I'm glad we are with Mkhitarian who appears do be a much more complete and productive footballer. Mane is the kind of player I'd prefer to be second choice rather than a goto option.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Mane is a useful player. He could definitely win you some games a season but I'd like us to aim higher and I'm glad we are with Mkhitarian who appears do be a much more complete and productive footballer. Mane is the kind of player I'd prefer to be second choice rather than a goto option.
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Don't think you can compare the two. I'd argue we are more in need of a player like Mane than Mkhi.
 
i think he is a good player but not good enough if you really want to compete for the big stuff. think he will be good for liverpool but nothing special. but they could do much worse obviously ;)
 
I think he's a good player but obviously technically he isn't Hazard or Alexis Sanchez or anyone like that. If you set up to counter like Southampton does he can do some serious damage. Chelsea fans probally still get nightmares over him.
 
Mancunia_Religion said:
I think he's a good player but obviously technically he isn't Hazard or Alexis Sanchez or anyone like that. If you set up to counter like Southampton does he can do some serious damage. Chelsea fans probally still get nightmares over him.
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Not enough as L'pool who now looks to sign him ;)

In a post of mine in this thread, I liken his style to Malouda (different attributes) which is wildly unpredictable even for his coach. It may fit Klopp chaotic style, but not a cold blooded cut throat Mourinho's style.
 
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Fecking hell, I don't know how much Euros that is these days but are we paying nearly as much for Sadio fecking Mane as Utd for Mkhitaryan? I hate Mane :(
 
RobinLFC said:
Fecking hell, I don't know how much Euros that is these days but are we paying nearly as much for Sadio fecking Mane as Utd for Mkhitaryan? I hate Mane :(
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You will find that you have signed a seriously good player and Liverpool will be a better team for it.
 
RobinLFC said:
Fecking hell, I don't know how much Euros that is these days but are we paying nearly as much for Sadio fecking Mane as Utd for Mkhitaryan? I hate Mane :(
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Mane should do relatively well for you. You definitely need somebody like him in your side, and there's not too many others out there that are realistic targets.
 
Am I the only person who isn't impressed by Mane? At least I've watched him a lot more than Micky and don't know what the hype is about
 
A lot of money, but he's a very good player and he'll be menacing in Klopp's system. Would have liked to see us get him for the RW. We are sorely lacking pace and have done for ages.
 
Mane is a class player on his day. Hopefully he'll continue to be inconsistent at Liverpool, because if Klopp can get the best out of him consistently they've got a great player on their hands.
 
Read the title: got disappointed, seriously. Relief when it was Liverpool who had a bid accepted.

Edit: He's not a bad player, inconsistent, but on a good day he's really good. I have higher expecatiotions though.
 
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