Think if anything, Amorim was being kind. Antony wasn't built for the league from a mental, physical or capability perspective. If he finds his lane in Spain, great, good luck to him - but he was awful for us time and again.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Think if anything, Amorim was being kind. Antony wasn't built for the league from a mental, physical or capability perspective. If he finds his lane in Spain, great, good luck to him - but he was awful for us time and again.
The reality is Amorim even with his sporting Team didn’t have that great a track record in Europe and Man United have only won two European trophies in 25 years although we have been to 5 Finals, so maybe play on that a little more that United have one of the better European records of the teams left in the competitions and we expect to go deep in the competition.
Not that terrifying at all when you factor in Garnacho's age and ability to be one of the only players in our squad capable of getting shots away.
I don't understand why people get so attached to managers. He has been here a few months now and has made us worse. I don't trust him to sell our best academy players and replace them with players who are more comfortable in a formation which is currently as exciting as watching paint dry and, as others have previously pointed out, has had very little success historically in the Premier League by other managers.
I'm saying that if you tell our players to win Europa or die they'll happily die.
If any of them are seen or go on record for doing balloons, due to the current laws that would be deemed as Gross Misconduct and their contract could and should be terminated.
He’s right it was a superficial argument.
Because it wasn’t just Antony’s frailty that stopped him performing, it was also largely down to him being spineless and terrified of physical contact.
I don't really get this view because the one thing that Antony provided was physicality and defensive workrate. Where he struggled was maintaining width and providing verticality. It's not perfect here you have an indication of it:
https://fbref.com/en/players/99127249/scout/12192/Antony-Scouting-Report
Maybe Amorim should learn that some things are better left unsaid and we don't need verbal fights with player agents?
Anyone watching Antony in Spain?
Can you confirm if he has managed to cross the ball with his right foot? and use the right wing without having to cut back inside?
Can you confirm if he has managed to cross the ball with his right foot? and use the right wing without having to cut back inside?
Jeez - we used to troll Arsenal and Liverpool for not taking their cups seriously and not trying to win it. How tables have turned .
The standards at this club are going down like anything .
Nothing wrong with what he says there.
I'm not "Attached" to the manager but I don't value shots without goals, he devalues our play regularly and I don't buy into the "Age" thing, I go by experience and he may be young but he's quite experienced in the mens game and he frustrates me every time with his poor decision making.
He was completely wrong about the physical point. Antonys issues were not becsuse he lacked physically. He was actually good in this department.
In saying what he did he just gave a disservice to him, uncalled for.
Number of appearances doesn't make the player's age irrelevant. Garnacho may be frustrating to watch at times but most 20 year old forwards aren't clinical with their end product. I'd rather see him to return to being a winger in a 4-3-3 than sit through several more months of Amorim's dull football with either Garnacho or someone else in the L10 position.
Sorry , you can keep saying that to yourself. This is probably one of our most critical moments in the last 10 years. We are severely cash strapped and if we can CL via Europa, it would do wonders for our transfer window.
Its still a trophy, ffs.
Yes I have …and no he hasn’t! He still cuts back inside but where he’d always go for the left footed curled shot. He’s started to thread through balls with his left which I don’t remember him doing much of when playing with us.
I think he’s undoubtedly a limited player in terms of his inability to use his right. But I’m one of the few that thought he looked alright (nowhere near 80+m we paid) until his confidence fell off a cliff.
I always liked his work rate and effort and am glad to see he’s regaining his confidence at Betis.
Yep. A Ferrari is just a Ford with a good attitude.
He’s not saying we won’t try to win it. But as proven by ETH last season, a trophy can paper over the cracks. Amorim is entirely correct in saying we should stay focused on the day-to-day progress. The fact that there is zero day-to-day progress, however, is damning on him.
He's basically saying it's not important and not worth it due to these "bigger things." Despite the fact that winning it can actually help FILL those cracks that are in the team and the club. It's not the league cup or FA Cup.
Indeed, some of our 'fans' just can't face a modicum of reality. Also it's good expectation management from Amorim, considering the state of the team right now. But obviously going to be twisted by the media and these 'fans' as another way to attack the manager.
What's the actual reality then?
Good expectation management? ETH rightly got slated for lowering standards and expectations, yet Amorim does it and it's OK? It's not like we're playing Real Madrid in the CL Round of 16, it's Real Sociadad who are 9th in La Liga. I'd back most of the teams around and above us to smash Sociadad. Ole also got rightly slated for saying trophies are for egos.
The media and the fans have twisted nothing because with Amorim there is nothing that needs to be twisted. He's too honest and open for his own good.
Amorim is the Antony of the managerial world.
I dont think he needs to water down the importance of a major trophy to make that point though. It's a good way to demotivate a squad that much more.
It was the best part of his game at Ajax and he did it once and only once for us, setting up Dalot against Forest in the FA Cup.
Ruben’s rancid reds!!
First of all, i'm not an "Amorim out" guy but after watching Mark Golbridge a few times (was a mistake, honestly) a question came to my mind. Goldbridge claimed that everyone who does not support Amorim is a "low IQ supporter", our players are "low IQ footballers". When someone stated that Moyes had an immediate impact on Everton's performance and results Goldbridge said yes, because Moyes is a "low IQ" manager, Everton's players are "low IQ" players so it's a perfect fit. Ridiculous. So apparently he has "blind faith" in Amorim, he said with a good support from INEOS the portuguese would definitely put us back to the top of the league. I don't really understand his blind faith. Does Amorim have such an illustrious history as a manager? He is full of accolades? No, not at all. He won the portuguese league and a domestic cup with Sporting, the team which have the most expensive squad, the best players in Portugal. And considering that the portuguese league is so weak, in fact 14 team have a squad worth of less than 50 million euro (!!!) I don't see the reason why anyone should treat Amorim as our "saviour". Should INEOS give him 300 million to sign the players he wants? Definitely but it's a lottery. I trust him but i'm a bit more cautious.
Workrate off the ball maybe. But he was spineless in possession. Always pulling out of 50/50s, falling away from defenders when they came anywhere near him, choosing to pass backwards rather than try and run past someone even in 1v1s when he had space. In possession he plays football like it's a non contact sport.
“I don’t know if I’m going to be here, but the way we are thinking, we are going to return and we are going to win in the future,” he told Sky Sports
He is the most uncertain, unsure manager we've had
He is the most uncertain, unsure manager we've had
He's just being modest. If you aren't winning games, there's a fair chance you won't be staying here long. That's what he's getting at.
I don't think that's really the point, everyone knows how dire it is and a Europa League win wouldn't change that. However, there is such a level of despair and negativity at the club with the job losses, the league form and the disconnection with the fans that the Europa League would not only be excellent for our plans to turn all this around, but it would be a massive morale boost for everyone.
No one gave us a chance last year in the FA cup final and we did it despite the massive gulf in quality between the two teams. I think the manager, the team and the fans have to start believing we can actually do this but the manager has to instill that belief.
"Boss, I don't know if we can overturn this 1 goal deficit against Real Sociedad at home".
"Aye, you're probably right."
We're 14th in the league, 34 points off the leaders.
What the actual feck is wrong with anyone thinking that the fecking Europa League is any sort of important right now. You want a fecking pass into the Champions League to get dumped out disgracefully once again with less fight than teams from Eastern Europe you've never even fecking heard of?
Urgh.
What the actual feck is wrong with anyone thinking that the fecking Europa League is any sort of important right now. You want a fecking pass into the Champions League to get dumped out disgracefully once again with less fight than teams from Eastern Europe you've never even fecking heard of?
Urgh.
Doesn't sound modest.
What is important right now?
It’s not really about that though. Getting back into Europe improves our budget and strengthens our chances of signing better players. No European football to an already struggling financial team will ruin us.
What would you say is important right now? (Not next season)
I tend to agree with your description though i wouldn't call it spineless, he lacked directness and aggression.
His agent is absolutely right. It wasn't just down to physicality. It was down to literally everything. Not one thing does Antony do at PL level. Its more down to the fact that Antony is a terrible all round footballer.
It's precisely because we are 14th in the league that the Europa League and any other cups are particularly important. We are playing for nothing unless you believe that Ipswich or Leicester are going to gain 16 more points than us in the next 11 games. The league position would have made a lot more sense if we had to chose between winning the EL and winning the league or qualifying to the CL/EL through the league but it's not our situation.