Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

[red_de_pologne]

“I don’t know if I’m going to be here, but the way we are thinking, we are going to return and we are going to win in the future,” he told Sky Sports

He is the most uncertain, unsure manager we've had

He knows he's the fall guy for ineos when they need one, he's very little chance of succeeding here.

I think it will be a shame as he might be the only actual footballing mind in this club, given the right tools he can construct a team playing attractive, offensive football capable of competing at the high level. He's a modern coach with ideas. Once he's gone we're at the mercy of business geniuses again.

I read someone saying Moyes or Dyche would get us higher in the table right now playing basic football, but it wouldn't further us as a club one inch in the medium-long term. Amorim could actually progress the club, I'm sure it was his idea originally, but he now realises it's not going to happen because we can't afford it.

Without big investment we're not breaking into top 4 anytime soon, unfortunately it is impossible while we're in this debt.

 

[roseguy64]

I want to see some belief in the presser tomorrow and obviously during the match on Thursday. Yes we're shite, but it's a cup competition and it's our last chance at salvaging anything this season.

Amorim has not displayed any sort of belief in himself or the players since his first couple pressers/interviews. Don't know why you're expecting that now.

 

[roseguy64]

United made it clear to him the job would not be available in the summer, so he had to either take it or leave it. This was on United, not Amorim.

The rewriting of history is absurd.

I didn't say anything that contradicted that did I? He has his own free will and willingly chose to accept it. He had a choice.

 

[MaxZorin]

Amorim has not displayed any sort of belief in himself or the players since his first couple pressers/interviews. Don't know why you're expecting that now.

With good reason.

Nobody could turn our squad into a EPL winning machine, not even Ferguson.

Amorim highlighting the Premier League is encouraging. We know United can knock about in the CL spots and score the odd cup.

We should be prioritising the league.

 

[JPRouve]

With good reason.

Nobody could turn our squad into a EPL winning machine, not even Ferguson.

Amorim highlighting the Premier League is encouraging. We know United can knock about in the CL spots and score the odd cup.

We should be prioritising the league.

That's not the expectation. And what are we prioritizing in the league this season?

 

[Cathy Ferguson]

We're 14th in the league, 34 points off the leaders.

What the actual feck is wrong with anyone thinking that the fecking Europa League is any sort of important right now. You want a fecking pass into the Champions League to get dumped out disgracefully once again with less fight than teams from Eastern Europe you've never even fecking heard of?

Urgh.

So you think it will be easier to rebuild the squad without CL money? Of course we have no chance in the CL, or the PL for that matter.

 

[stevoc]

Bizarre comments to be honest.

 

[TheRedDevil'sAdvocate]

The only thing missing from those quotes was a buzz word/phrase of his own. Sadly, he looks lost at sea. The way things are going, i can't see him surviving beyond the end of the season.

 

[stevoc]

You'd think it's not rocket science, but Amorim seems intent on giving the journos what they want every presser. He doesn't seem to be aware of the non-answer, or any other forms of rhetoric. He can't even try and galvanise the squad and fans by saying anything is possible in this cup game. He's basically setting us up for defeat so he can make even more excuses after the game.

It is disappointing that he hasn't got wiser and more guarded with his answers yet.

 

[SB16]

Trophies are for egos, as a wise man once said

 

[stevoc]

According to reports he wasn’t included in interviews because of his tactical system which didn’t fit with the players in the summer. Clearly the crazy decision to extend Eth and then to see the team continue to struggle meant they reconsidered this stance between the summer and Amorim’s appointment. Again, it’s just poor from United senior management. But when they made the call on Amorim they made the call to change the system too. They knew, he knew, most of us all knew what to expect. I think it just took INEOS longer than everyone else to realise the players were not up to scratch, hence they knew they had to go in another direction.

I get your point that he clearly wasn’t the long term plan back in the summer. The first 6 months of INEOS haven’t exactly been brilliant though, Eth extension being error number 1

Yep, so far they've got just about every big decision wrong. Hopefully Ruben is the start of good decisions.

 

[joedirt87]

https://en.as.com/soccer/the-huge-s...ed-so-far-in-this-seasons-champions-league-n/

Lists how much money the teams in the UCL earned. Young boys who finished last made almost 19 million Euro. We would probably stand to make 20 million euro range finishing outside the knockout advancement. Nothing to scoff at when you are as broke as United, but I tend to agree with others that Amorim would benefit from not having the extra games and travel to focus on training and the league.

 

[stevoc]

I reckon we've had 6 CB's at the club for the last decade anyway.

We usually carry more than most and Phil Jones was a factor. But we have for some reason for a long time been prone to defensive injury crises.

 

[JPRouve]

https://en.as.com/soccer/the-huge-s...ed-so-far-in-this-seasons-champions-league-n/

Lists how much money the teams in the UCL earned. Young boys who finished last made almost 19 million Euro. We would probably stand to make 20 million euro range finishing outside the knockout advancement. Nothing to scoff at when you are as broke as United, but I tend to agree with others that Amorim would benefit from not having the extra games and travel to focus on training and the league.

That's just prize money, there is also broadcasting rights and matchday revenues.

 

[stepic]

I didn't say anything that contradicted that did I? He has his own free will and willingly chose to accept it. He had a choice.

You criticised him for taking the job now instead of the summer. I’m saying the summer wasn’t an option - it was now or never.

So basically you’re criticising him for wanting and taking the United job. I mean, what kind of United fan takes that view?

 

[Big Ben Foster]

I understand what he's trying to say, and factually he's not wrong, but what's the point in saying this now? Seems counterproductive.

 

[Ronaldo's ego]

There’s honesty and then there’s this, which is an unending cycle of negativity. Europa League is important because it would be a much needed boost for the club but more importantly getting into the CL would be a massively needed financial injection along with being able to offer CL football for potential signings.

I’ll maintain that Jan next year is when his position should be seriously considered if it comes to that but man it’s getting desperate.

 

[roseguy64]

His agent is absolutely right. It wasn't just down to physicality. It was down to literally everything. Not one thing does Antony do at PL level. Its more down to the fact that Antony is a terrible all round footballer.

He clearly isn't a terrible footballer or he wouldn't be doing well in Spain now, at Ajax before or getting regular minutes in a good Brazil team. Sometimes a player is a bad fit for a club/league or things go wrong personally and they lose confidence.

I hate when people go to the extremes with nonsense like this.

 

[roseguy64]

With good reason.

Nobody could turn our squad into a EPL winning machine, not even Ferguson.

Amorim highlighting the Premier League is encouraging. We know United can knock about in the CL spots and score the odd cup.

We should be prioritising the league.

I don't think anyone has expected our squad to win the Premier League since Ole's last season where people wanted a title challenge. That squad has been dismantled and the expectations were lowered to being Europen qualification.

 

[stepic]

Absolutely nothing wrong with that he’s saying, come on guys. We’re trying to build a team who can play good football, that is the priority. We want to be competing for the league and CL by playing quality football, not just stumbling over a EL trophy.

 

[stevoc]

We're 14th in the league, 34 points off the leaders.

What the actual feck is wrong with anyone thinking that the fecking Europa League is any sort of important right now. You want a fecking pass into the Champions League to get dumped out disgracefully once again with less fight than teams from Eastern Europe you've never even fecking heard of?

Urgh.

Then what is important right now?

 

[Top_Bins]

I understand what he's trying to say, and factually he's not wrong, but what's the point in saying this now? Seems counterproductive.

Probably trying to cushion the blow of bowing out. He knows as well as us that we don't have the squad to win it.
Sad really, as before all the injuries we'd have been one of the favourites.

 

[roseguy64]

You criticised him for taking the job now instead of the summer. I’m saying the summer wasn’t an option - it was now or never.

So basically you’re criticising him for wanting and taking the United job. I mean, what kind of United fan takes that view?

It can't be used as an excuse for him is simply my point. He had a choice to not take the job. He took the job and can't then complain about wanting to take it at a different date. He wasn't forced.

 

[MaxZorin]

I don't think anyone has expected our squad to win the Premier League since Ole's last season where people wanted a title challenge. That squad has been dismantled and the expectations were lowered to being Europen qualification.

Aye, that's Amorim's remit:

Build a capable squad and win the league.

That's not the expectation. And what are we prioritizing in the league this season?

The point is it should be the expectation.

What are we prioritising now? Can't imagine much. Avoiding relegation. Some incredible march on Europe.

The wider point remains: winning the league is to be prioritised.

 

[JPRouve]

The point is it should be the expectation.

What are we prioritising now? Can't imagine much. Avoiding relegation. Some incredible march on Europe.

The wider point remains: winning the league is to be prioritised.

That's beside the point of the conversation. We were talking about Amorim comments regarding this season in the EL, he deemed it unimportant, so it goes against your suggestion about aome incredible march on Europe. We are 16 points above relegation spot.

The actual point of the conversation was that winning the Europa League is important, that's one of the most efficient ways to allow us to have the means to put us on track to win the league in the future.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Absolutely nothing wrong with that he’s saying, come on guys. We’re trying to build a team who can play good football, that is the priority. We want to be competing for the league and CL by playing quality football, not just stumbling over a EL trophy.

Agreed it's not that big an issue, his manner with the media has been like this from the start even if it's not my cup of tea. I will say though, surely, if we're looking at the Europa and the teams left in it, we're not pretending we aren't fancying ourselves vs Sociedad, Rangers, Victoria Plzen etc. there's a limit to how effective downplaying it is if we're getting knocked out by a team we should very much be beating. I'm not sure many people really buy it, versus they would if this were the CL and we had a really tough opponent.

 

[TsuWave]

I understand what he's trying to say, and factually he's not wrong, but what's the point in saying this now? Seems counterproductive.

I think he’s wrong all around. Yes, we want to build something sustainable that allows for continuous long-term success and/or competitiveness - and that goes beyond any one trophy - however; building for such isn’t mutually exclusive with attempting/being fully committed to winning the trophies in the here and now. Trophies that will facilitate and be conducive to whatever transformation he’s trying to spark/implement.

All his comment does is lower expectations, which may serve him - but it also cripples belief in the team/fans/club all around.

 

[stepic]

It can't be used as an excuse for him is simply my point. He had a choice to not take the job. He took the job and can't then complain about wanting to take it at a different date. He wasn't forced.

He was forced by United to take the job at an inopportune time. Blame United, not Amorim. He literally predicted this would happen. You’re essentially blaming him for wanting the United job, which is stupid.

If you don’t see this fairly blatant point then let’s agree to disagree.

 

[Martinez4midfield]

What was the question? How important is the Europa? Then it makes sense. He's just setting his own goals for himself low. He doesn't want to say it's the most important thing in the world and when he ultimately gets dumped out b people would use that as a stick to beat him with.

I had an idea though, what if they move him up into the office to be DOF so he can just focus on recruitment of a new manager and players for the 343 since there really isn't any expectation for him to improve the players that are already here anyway.

 

[JPRouve]

He was forced by United to take the job at an inopportune time. Blame United, not Amorim. He literally predicted this would happen. You’re essentially blaming him for wanting the United job, which is stupid.

If you don’t see this fairly blatant point then let’s agree to disagree.

No one forced him, he chose to take it at an inopportune time. The club allegedly gave him an ultimatum and you can criticize them for it if you want but truth of the matter is that if he really believed that it was a bad idea he should have rejected the offer. First because it shows that the board is senseless and secondly it shows that they don't value him that much.

 

[roseguy64]

He was forced by United to take the job at an inopportune time. Blame United, not Amorim. He literally predicted this would happen. You’re essentially blaming him for wanting the United job, which is stupid.

If you don’t see this fairly blatant point then let’s agree to disagree.

He had a choice. He wasn't obligated. That's a fact.

 

[JPRouve]

What was the question? How important is the Europa? Then it makes sense. He's just setting his own goals for himself low. He doesn't want to say it's the most important thing in the world and when he ultimately gets dumped out b people would use that as a stick to beat him with.

I had an idea though, what if they move him up into the office to be DOF so he can just focus on recruitment of a new manager and players for the 343 since there really isn't act expectation for him to improve the players that are already here anyway.

What makes you think that he is in any way a competent DOF?

 

[Big Ben Foster]

I think he’s wrong all around. Yes, we want to build something sustainable that allows for continuous long-term success and/or competitiveness - and that goes beyond any one trophy - however; building for such isn’t mutually exclusive with attempting/being fully committed to winning the trophies in the here and now. Trophies that will facilitate and be conducive to whatever transformation he’s trying to spark/implement.

All his comment does is lower expectations, which may serve him - but it also cripples belief in the team/fans/club all around.

I interpreted it more as a trophy on its own isn't proof of progress and can paper over serious cracks that exist (see the cup wins under ETH). Which I would agree with, but I don't think the manager should be the one saying that out loud, especially in a pre-match presser the day before the only competition that's still in play for us this season.

 

[Shark]

Absolutely nothing wrong with that he’s saying, come on guys. We’re trying to build a team who can play good football, that is the priority. We want to be competing for the league and CL by playing quality football, not just stumbling over a EL trophy.

If he can't produce something in the Europa or win back to back fixtures in the PL, how do you expect him to compete for the league. You'll say he needs better players but we're expecting the bare minimum with the squad he's got. Then you could say "imagine what he'll do with some quality", but we're not even getting the bare minimum.

 

[Dannn411]

He clearly isn't a terrible footballer or he wouldn't be doing well in Spain now, at Ajax before or getting regular minutes in a good Brazil team. Sometimes a player is a bad fit for a club/league or things go wrong personally and they lose confidence.

I hate when people go to the extremes with nonsense like this.

I'll repeat it again for you. He's a terrible footballer. I would not have him for free if offered. The fact that he's a squad member tells you all you need to know about Brazil these days. Arguably the worst Brazil era in living memory. No wonder he gets called up regularly.

And FYI, many terrible footballers are internationals. That means absolutely nothing.

 

[Marwood]

Dead man walking unfortunately

We are a shambles for sure but he still has a team that cost

50 Onana
60? Yoro
80 Maguire
30 Dorgu
20 Dalot
50 Bruno
40 Ugarte
Free Garnacho
69 Rasmus
40 Zirkzee

Like that's 10 times what Socidad have spent and pay in wages. Let's say we've been clueless and overpaid for Rasmus and Maguire. It's still the fecking England captain of the last 5 years and a player who hit 15 goals last season and who's goals have kept us in the competition.
I'm not freaking out on Amorim but as I said it feels like he's going to quit or get sacked at the end of the season and has totally no idea how to get the players up even for a one off cup game the only thing we've left to play for. Shocking

But what does their cost matter if the reality on the pitch doesn't match up. We could pay £100 million each for Hojlund and Zirkzee. It won't improve their goalscoring.

I understand what he's trying to say, and factually he's not wrong, but what's the point in saying this now? Seems counterproductive.

Yeah I understand what he means as well.

But nothing gets listened to properly today. There'll be a dishonesty in how it's taken and it'll get re purposed against him.

Ole said a similar thing and it was used against him.

Better to just give a bland "let's win every competition we can."

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

We're 14th in the league, 34 points off the leaders.

What the actual feck is wrong with anyone thinking that the fecking Europa League is any sort of important right now. You want a fecking pass into the Champions League to get dumped out disgracefully once again with less fight than teams from Eastern Europe you've never even fecking heard of?

Urgh.

It’s been addressed dozens of times already in this thread, but to sum it up: money and pride.

 

[King7Eric]

We're 14th in the league, 34 points off the leaders.

What the actual feck is wrong with anyone thinking that the fecking Europa League is any sort of important right now. You want a fecking pass into the Champions League to get dumped out disgracefully once again with less fight than teams from Eastern Europe you've never even fecking heard of?

Urgh.

You're right. The way to improve is to lose and get knocked out of competitions. It's a well known ancient cure for failure which the fools on here don't recognize.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

You're right. The way to improve is to lose and get knocked out of competitions. It's a well known ancient cure for failure which the fools on here don't recognize.

Don’t fault those mere mortals for their frailties.

 

[Redstain]

INEOS ought to sack him if he doesn't deliver in all honesty.

I think it's far easier to turn a blind eye to his woeful domestic form in the event he delivers some silverware.