Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Iker Quesadillas said:
That list makes Amorim look bad as he underperforms relative to Arteta and Klopp.
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He’s the only coach there with a 50% loss rate and that’s what he has to improve on yes we need to back him, however he needs to start backing himself.

You only lose 50% of your PL games when your team is waiting to be defeated and his 5221 system is so easy to beat every week.

So start picking attacking Wing backs, Dalot is tired, Mazraoui is not an offensive wing back!

All Ruben has to do is give some of the youth a chance like ; Harry Amass, Mantato, Musa , Scalion, just their youthful energy and enthusiasm could help the team, even if only from the bench.

Don’t pick 7 subs with 2 reserve Goalkeepers, that’s incredibly negative and indefensible? I genuinely think all the fanbase would rally round him if he starts giving more of the youth a chance especially in wing back and number 10 positions.
 
Woziak said:
He’s the only coach there with a 50% loss rate and that’s what he has to improve on yes we need to back him, however he needs to start backing himself.

You only lose 50% of your PL games when your team is waiting to be defeated and his 5221 system is so easy to beat every week.

So start picking attacking Wing backs, Dalot is tired, Mazraoui is not an offensive wing back!

All Ruben has to do is give some of the youth a chance like ; Harry Amass, Mantato, Musa , Scalion, just their youthful energy and enthusiasm could help the team, even if only from the bench.

Don’t pick 7 subs with 2 reserve Goalkeepers, that’s incredibly negative and indefensible? I genuinely think all the fanbase would rally round him if he starts giving more of the youth a chance especially in wing back and number 10 positions.
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Surely there's players in the under-21s apart from Collyer that can come in? It feels like all we are doing are taking literal children from the under 18s and throwing them into men's football.
 
The Mitcher said:
Surely there's players in the under-21s apart from Collyer that can come in? It feels like all we are doing are taking literal children from the under 18s and throwing them into men's football.
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Collyer is a part of the first team now, he’s been in and around the first team since last season (if I remember correctly) - He’s no longer an U21 player
 
Apokalips said:
Keeping Ten Hag in the summer and persisting with Hojlund were two huge costly mistakes, two very obvious costly mistakes too.
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In your opinion, why did we sack ETH?
If it's because we were playing badly, have we started playing well thereafter?
Again, what is the main reason of manager change? Amorim was given 2 and half year contract. That's not a big project timeline.
So what's this project that Amorim needs to build that Ineos wants it done in 2 years?
Probably, it's only in fans mind that we are with Amorim for a longterm project. In Ineos mind they need results, and it's supported by their contract offer to Amorim.

So Ineos did a change of manager, results have plummeted since, by start of next season Amorim contract will be 1 year down remaining with 18 months tops.

So it does seem bringing in Amorim is proving to be a very very costly mistake in comparison to keeping ETH.
 
stevoc said:
I think we need to replace Maguire and/or Lindelof.

With Mazraoui, Martinez, Yoro and Deligt with maybe Maguire or 2 new signings/youth players. We should be alright.

But as a club prone to defensive injury crises we'll need better luck in future with 3 at the back.
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I agree but if you replace them with a LB/LCB or RB/RCB then you have no issue when it comes to moving to a back 4. If anything assuming that Dorgu is a long term option as left back, a defensive RB/RCB makes a lot of sense. Teams often only use one truly attacking fullback and use a back three in transition. That's why I defended the idea of signing Pavard, squad flexibility is extremely valuable and one of the issue that we have today is that we lack that flexibility, many of our players are square pegs for round holes the minute we alter their roles a tiny bit and I don't want to add any specialist to this lot.
 
TsuWave said:
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He is way too transparent. You're at Manchester United and it's the last Cup you're in, and your only ticket for the Champions League which will boost the plans to build for the long term. Don't discount the importance of it for fecksake
 
Cutch said:
Don't think theres enough being said about how terrible our squad was on Sunday that was available. We named only 7 out of the 9 subs, 2 of which were goalkeepers, 2 were kids we took from Arsenals academy in recent months to leave Lindelof, Casemiro and Garnacho. Lindelof who's on his way out of the club, Casemiro who's legs are gone and Garnacho who had a knock. At max 2 attacking players on the bench.

Our squad of 18 had 3 GK's, 2 RB's, 5 CB's, 3 DM's (2 that can't run), 2 SS, 1 winger and 2 strikers. Of the 5 attacking players one is without a goal in 20, one without a goal in 18, one has 1 goal in 16, the other is a 17yo child and then that leaves Bruno Fernandes (thank god).

I was even envious of Fulham to be able to bring on Raul Jimenez, Smith Rowe and Sessegnon.
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Ok this was compounded by the fact the under 18/19 squad had an Fa Youth Cup 1/4 final which they won against Arsenal, I went to the game and we won that in a very even game in Extra time by playing attacking football.

I keep calling for at least 2 or 3 to be added to the squad but to be fair to Ruben, none of those kids could have played late Friday night after 120 mins and then play again on Sunday.

Going forward he must stand by his convictions, I go to old Trafford a lot and the fans are turning because he’s playing 7 defensive players, that’s why he has a 50% loss rate!

RA never played this way at Sporting which means, he has already sacrificed some of his principles. Now we’ve made a mistake with Chido in EL we must try and use the 9 man bench with young players that could help.

His biggest issue right now is attacking wing back, creativity in the 10’s and finishing the chances.

I’d like to see us hopefully getting Bayinder back in a couple of weeks and try and pick this as our strongest 11 right now, we can’t rely on Mount or Shaw, both need to be sold in the summer.

Best team in EPL
A Bayinder - GK
MDL, Harry, L Yoro - Back 3
Dalot Ugarte, Bruno, Dorgu - Midfield 4
Zirkzee, Garnaucho - 10’s
Chido - Striker

Bench - Onana, N Mazraoui, A Heaven,
B Mantato , T Collyer, R Hojlund, C Eriksen, V Musa, J Fletcher

At least with Mantato and Musa we would have real pace from the bench, there is an arguments for Jack Moorehouse, S Kone, Gabrielle Biancheri, James Scanlon, Jayden kamason and maybe Ibragimov to be given some minutes to see how they handle first team football.

Tonight the team to select would be the same but with Bayinder swapped for Onana and Chido for Rasmus which would give us a chance to add 1 more youngster and Lindelof to the bench.

If and it’s a huge ‘if’ we could get through Sociedad then maybe with Collyer, Mount, Bayinder and Kobie returning we might be able to salvage our season, but Ruben must be far more adventurous in his team selection and tactics.
 
VP89 said:
He is way too transparent. You're at Manchester United and it's the last Cup you're in, and your only ticket for the Champions League which will boost the plans to build for the long term. Don't discount the importance of it for fecksake
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I’m usually not one for having the proverbial old guard around - and I get that he might have good intentions - but I feel this is one of them instances where having someone who’s being here/done it before would be helpful just to help him navigate the media aspect of things. Like I get it, transparency is endearing and might get people on board - but it’s such a double edged sword. I absolutely do not want to hear the Manchester United manager saying that.

I also felt the same with them “we’re going to suffer” quotes. I get it, he was buying himself time, but still
 
TsuWave said:
I’m usually not one for having the proverbial old guard around - and I get that he might have good intentions - but I feel this is one of them instances where having someone who’s being here/done it before would be helpful just to help him navigate the media aspect of things. Like I get it, transparency is endearing and might get people on board - but it’s such a double edged sword. I absolutely do not want to hear the Manchester United manager saying that.

I also felt the same with them “we’re going to suffer” quotes. I get it, he was buying himself time, but still
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Yeah this is my issue too. It's good to hear at first but you have to balance it. It's also appearing as some sort of excuse at this stage for chronically bad performances, or at least that's how it comes across.

Saying what he did about Europa league feels like getting an excuse in just in case we get knocked out.
 
TsuWave said:
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Does too many of this sit in interviews for a man who has lost 8 to 9 Premier league games. Lowering expectations might suit him but it's another crank in the gear towards his expulsion from Manchester United. Talks a big game but he looks overwhelmed and lost.

At Manchester United, you either confront the beast or let it devour you. There is no middle ground.
 
The Mitcher said:
Surely there's players in the under-21s apart from Collyer that can come in? It feels like all we are doing are taking literal children from the under 18s and throwing them into men's football.
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A lot of those so called under 18’s are 19 and turning 20 this year or 18 and turning 19, honestly only Jack Moorehouse, maybe Ogunneye but the best ones like Ethan Williams and Ethan Wheatley have gone out on loan!
 
DRJosh said:
Seems to be already waving the white flag in terms of progressing in the Europa … at least give the fans something more immediate to hold on to after the absolute clown show this has been. Geez
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It's pathetic.

For someone who was very fond of his interviews/pressers when he came in, I now hope he just shuts up. The "I don't know. If I knew, I would change it" was already very frustrating. This is taking it to another level.
 
DRJosh said:
Seems to be already waving the white flag in terms of progressing in the Europa … at least give the fans something more immediate to hold on to after the absolute clown show this has been. Geez
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I think he’s going to get himself sacked very shortly if he doesn’t wind it in with the comments, he’s just far too negative and it’s now being noticed by the hierarchy, he’s said the same thing about the FA Cup then lost the game, he’s had 25 games, fans want to see something to get excited about it.
 
TsuWave said:
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Green light to a bunch of players that down tools….to down tools. Hardly motivating. How about telling them to go balls out for this comp ahead of the PL which is effectively dead rubber games now.
He’s turned into such a negative manager. Any charisma he had when he arrived has been evaporated and he’s just down all the time. I think he knows the rebuild is not going to go as he thought and his system won’t get the support it needs. He’s toast.
 
soapythecat said:
Green light to a bunch of players that down tools….to down tools. Hardly motivating. How about telling them to go balls out for this comp ahead of the PL which is effectively dead rubber games now.
He’s turned into such a negative manager. Any charisma he had when he arrived has been evaporated and he’s just down all the time. I think he knows the rebuild is not going to go as he thought and his system won’t get the support it needs. He’s toast.
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Can we put the whole downing tools thing to rest? They never did with ETH.
 
soapythecat said:
Green light to a bunch of players that down tools….to down tools. Hardly motivating. How about telling them to go balls out for this comp ahead of the PL which is effectively dead rubber games now.
He’s turned into such a negative manager. Any charisma he had when he arrived has been evaporated and he’s just down all the time. I think he knows the rebuild is not going to go as he thought and his system won’t get the support it needs. He’s toast.
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Our players never downed tools. But his comments can exacerbate any lack of self belief, especially when he keeps making these kind of comments.
 
TsuWave said:
I’m usually not one for having the proverbial old guard around - and I get that he might have good intentions - but I feel this is one of them instances where having someone who’s being here/done it before would be helpful just to help him navigate the media aspect of things. Like I get it, transparency is endearing and might get people on board - but it’s such a double edged sword. I absolutely do not want to hear the Manchester United manager saying that.

I also felt the same with them “we’re going to suffer” quotes. I get it, he was buying himself time, but still
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THe way you put that makes it out to be a bit of a red flag. The fact he was buying himself time when he's barely been in the job is concerning.
 
JPRouve said:
Our players never downed tools. But his comments can exacerbate any lack of self belief, especially when he keeps making these kind of comments.
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Downed tools, lack of effort - kind of same thing in my eyes but get your point. The first half for the last few games are typical lack of effort affairs and they look disinterested. These comments hardly going to get this lot firing from the KO tomorrow. Poor management really.
 
soapythecat said:
Downed tools, lack of effort - kind of same thing in my eyes but get your point. The first half for the last few games are typical lack of effort affairs and they look disinterested. These comments hardly going to get this lot firing from the KO tomorrow. Poor management really.
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Lack of belief is not the same as a lack of effort, mate.
 
I have read it three times now and I still don't get the point he is trying to make here.

"But to tell you the truth, I think we have bigger things to think. I know it's strange to say that, but it's something that we are trying to build here, that is going to be more important than winning a Cup in this moment."I know the responsibility that we have to fight for every trophy, but in this moment we are trying to build something that is going to last more than any trophy this season."

"I know the responsibility that we have to fight for every trophy, but in this moment we are trying to build something that is going to last more than any trophy this season." [Sky]
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What has he shown here so far that suggests that we are on this long road to success? Or by "we" he means the management and him?

And what are these bigger things that he is thinking?

Sound like a nonsense comment made to excuse our impending defeat in the tie.
 
soapythecat said:
Downed tools, lack of effort - kind of same thing in my eyes but get your point. The first half for the last few games are typical lack of effort affairs and they look disinterested. These comments hardly going to get this lot firing from the KO tomorrow. Poor management really.
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I said lack of belief not lack of effort.
 
I have a lot of sympathy for managers having to give this many interviews, just regurgitating their thoughts for the press who don't really care and just want some clickbait. I personally wish managers didn't beat around the bush and just said 'yeah, we want to win it. We'll give our best shot etc.' but I'm sure he's trying to manage expectations somewhat. We shouldn't really care at all what he says, people say all sorts of crap, what matters is what happens on the pitch.
 
Insanity said:
I have read it three times now and I still don't get the point he is trying to make here.



What has he shown here so far that suggests that we are on this long road to success? Or by "we" he means the management and him?

And what are these bigger things that he is thinking?

Sound like a nonsense comment made to excuse our impending defeat in the tie.
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I mean, nothing is inevitable aside from death and taxes. But it does look like some very strange convoluted attempt at excusing a potential defeat, and this is not something any United manager should be saying.
 
Licha-Vidic said:
In your opinion, why did we sack ETH?
If it's because we were playing badly, have we started playing well thereafter?
Again, what is the main reason of manager change? Amorim was given 2 and half year contract. That's not a big project timeline.
So what's this project that Amorim needs to build that Ineos wants it done in 2 years?
Probably, it's only in fans mind that we are with Amorim for a longterm project. In Ineos mind they need results, and it's supported by their contract offer to Amorim.

So Ineos did a change of manager, results have plummeted since, by start of next season Amorim contract will be 1 year down remaining with 18 months tops.

So it does seem bringing in Amorim is proving to be a very very costly mistake in comparison to keeping ETH.
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The contract was to see if Amorim can turn it around and show improvement in two seasons. This has always been the case apart from the contract that was too long. 6 years for Moyes was ridiculous. A manager who was a top 6 manager at best. All the others were about 3 years, so when it didn’t improve as in getting us to challenge for the title after two full seasons, they were sacked. Because Amorim didn’t start until November he will probably be given next season and if improvement then the next .season after will be to try and get him to sign another, if no improvement he will get the boot.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
I have a lot of sympathy for managers having to give this many interviews, just regurgitating their thoughts for the press who don't really care and just want some clickbait. I personally wish managers didn't beat around the bush and just said 'yeah, we want to win it. We'll give our best shot etc.' but I'm sure he's trying to manage expectations somewhat. We shouldn't really care at all what he says, people say all sorts of crap, what matters is what happens on the pitch.
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We should care about what they say unless we believe that man management and culture building aren't a thing. There is no way to build a winning mentality while suggesting that winning a cup isn't important enough at this moment in time especially when there is no actual argument to defend it.

You can manage expectations while also keeping this winning mentality by simply stating that while we have been underwhelming and the context isn't ideal, every EL round that we play put us closer to our long terms goals which are to be more cohesive on the field, more confident in our abilities and a title contender, every competent game that we play is going to put us closer to the team we want to be in the future.
 
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