Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

[Toshey]

Obviously he is trying to remove some pressure from players. They seem to perform best when there are no expectations.

Also, he is correct. Forcing our way to a cup trophy means nothing in the long term, as the meaningless Carling and FA cups in the last 10 years have shown us.

Actually I believe that a season without european football might benefit the team greatly. Less games to play, more training/recovery time, focus on domestic scene.

It's weird but it's the truth currently. I'd rather no champions league, than a champions league where we can only scrape a lucky win against danish minnows, with Onana pulling a penalty save out of his ass (just to shove it back in there the next game).

Manchester United have been tring to minmax everything in every season, without any clear future or direction.

It's a lot more important to start building something and understand what we're building.

 

[The Mitcher]

We should care about what they say unless we believe that man management and culture building aren't a thing. There is no way to build a winning mentality while suggesting that winning a cup isn't important enough at this moment in time especially when there is no actual argument to defend it.

You can manage expectations while also keeping this winning mentality by simply stating that while we have been underwhelming and the context isn't ideal, every EL round that we play put us closer to our long terms goals which are to be more cohesive on the field, more confident in our abilities and a title contender, every competent game that we play is going to put us closer to the team we want to be in the future.

You'd think it's not rocket science, but Amorim seems intent on giving the journos what they want every presser. He doesn't seem to be aware of the non-answer, or any other forms of rhetoric. He can't even try and galvanise the squad and fans by saying anything is possible in this cup game. He's basically setting us up for defeat so he can make even more excuses after the game.

 

[Grave Robber]

Reckon he will be sacked if he ends the season trophyless and in 14th-17th place. Do you honestly think Ineos will be willing to gamble 150M of transfer spend on an unproven coach after the Ten Hag debacle?

Ratcliffe will find that pay-off for Amorim cheaper than another wasted season. I think Amorim suspects it himself, which is why he is coming out with this long term bullshit.

 

[The Mitcher]

Obviously he is trying to remove some pressure from players. They seem to perform best when there are no expectations.

Also, he is correct. Forcing our way to a cup trophy means nothing in the long term, as the meaningless Carling and FA cups in the last 10 years have shown us.

Actually I believe that a season without european football might benefit the team greatly. Less games to play, more training/recovery time, focus on domestic scene.

It's weird but it's the truth currently. I'd rather no champions league, than a champions league where we can only scrape a lucky win against danish minnows, with Onana pulling a penalty save out of his ass (just to shove it back in there the next game).

Manchester United have been tring to minmax everything in every season, without any clear future or direction.

It's a lot more important to start building something and understand what we're building.

Winning the Europa League guarantees champions league football and more money. Which means access to a better transfer budget and players more willing to come here. How does that not help these so-called bigger things and long term planning?

A season without European football will compound the already disastrous financial position we are in. Why are fans such as yourself so ignorant of the situation? The further from top 4 we finish the less money we get, the less sponsorships, in fact there are clauses that negatively impact us with Adidas if we don't get champions league football.

This attitude makes no sense. We will be even worse without European football.

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

With Mazraoui at the club, I think we need like 5 other CB's which we would normally have as well.
Think under EtH we had Varane, Lindelof, Maguire, Evans, Martinez and Shaw/Kambwala.
Now under Amorim for next season; Yoro, De Ligt, Maguire, Martinez, and Shaw/Heaven. We might add one more CB, but I doubt it with Mazraoui also playing as RCB.

Think we will consider Bruno, Garnacho, Mount, Amad as enough options for the numbers 10. He will likely also play some wingers there.

I worry Garnacho will be gone in the summer if Amorim is still here. Push comes to shove, I'd rather keep Garnacho than Amorim.

 

[hobbers]

I worry Garnacho will be gone in the summer if Amorim is still here. Push comes to shove, I'd rather keep Garnacho than Amorim.

Garnacho will be sold whether Amorim is manager or not.

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

I worry Garnacho will be gone in the summer if Amorim is still here. Push comes to shove, I'd rather keep Garnacho than Amorim.

That's a terrifying take. Garnacho isn't that special, too many people look at his age instead of the games he has played, he has played over 180 games for us and doesn't look like he has progressed at all to be quite honest.

Amorim on the other hand has proved that if he is backed he can turn a club around.

 

[matsdf]

I worry Garnacho will be gone in the summer if Amorim is still here. Push comes to shove, I'd rather keep Garnacho than Amorim.

This to me is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on this forum. What in God's name has Garnacho done to deserve that?

 

[Apokalips]

In your opinion, why did we sack ETH?
If it's because we were playing badly, have we started playing well thereafter?
Again, what is the main reason of manager change? Amorim was given 2 and half year contract. That's not a big project timeline.
So what's this project that Amorim needs to build that Ineos wants it done in 2 years?
Probably, it's only in fans mind that we are with Amorim for a longterm project. In Ineos mind they need results, and it's supported by their contract offer to Amorim.

So Ineos did a change of manager, results have plummeted since, by start of next season Amorim contract will be 1 year down remaining with 18 months tops.

So it does seem bringing in Amorim is proving to be a very very costly mistake in comparison to keeping ETH.

Amorim's performance has no bearing on whether or not the decision to sack or keep ETH was costly. Keeping ETH when we KNEW he was poor is definitely worse than hiring a manager who ends up performing poorly, because we KNEW that Ten Hag was poor. Keeping Ten Hag meant we had a whole summer basically wasted, waiting until his inevitable sacking, we clearly signed players based on his preferences too.

Bringing in a new coach in summer ensures a fresh start and if that coach is poor, we can look at replacing them ahead of the new season like any other club would but at least we tried something different when we KNEW that the current guy was not working. Now we are in a limbo timing wise.

We also should have signed a a couple of proven quality forward players and sold Rashford and Antony in the summer. More is lost through indecision than the wrong decision, the wrong decision can be rectified if you act quickly but if you dither and then need to rectify your mistake but are indecisive all the time then the issues grow and grow. All of our summer antics have cost us a lot.

 

[tomaldinho1]

We should care about what they say unless we believe that man management and culture building aren't a thing. There is no way to build a winning mentality while suggesting that winning a cup isn't important enough at this moment in time especially when there is no actual argument to defend it.

You can manage expectations while also keeping this winning mentality by simply stating that while we have been underwhelming and the context isn't ideal, every EL round that we play put us closer to our long terms goals which are to be more cohesive on the field, more confident in our abilities and a title contender, every competent game that we play is going to put us closer to the team we want to be in the future.

Yes but we have no idea what he says to the players, so the perception of him is ours and not theirs. I get the point, hence my preference, as a fan, for him not saying what he did. But I have no doubt he is putting pressure on them away from the cameras, no manager would not be. These guys want to win beyond all else.

 

[Toshey]

Winning the Europa League guarantees champions league football and more money. Which means access to a better transfer budget and players more willing to come here. How does that not help these so-called bigger things and long term planning?

A season without European football will compound the already disastrous financial position we are in. Why are fans such as yourself so ignorant of the situation? The further from top 4 we finish the less money we get, the less sponsorships, in fact there are clauses that negatively impact us with Adidas if we don't get champions league football.

This attitude makes no sense. We will be even worse without European football.

We dug our own grave with ridiculous transfers. Ridiculous to expect a CL qualification to fix our budget.
We have now 2 seperate owners, give me a break.

If we get rid of Rashy, Shaw, Mount, Casemiro, Linde, Evans, expensive mistakes like Sancho, Antony.. Our financial situation will improve dramatically.

And we have to be very careful who we buy this time.

 

[MaMa given red]

Obviously he is trying to remove some pressure from players. They seem to perform best when there are no expectations.

Also, he is correct. Forcing our way to a cup trophy means nothing in the long term, as the meaningless Carling and FA cups in the last 10 years have shown us.

Actually I believe that a season without european football might benefit the team greatly. Less games to play, more training/recovery time, focus on domestic scene.

It's weird but it's the truth currently. I'd rather no champions league, than a champions league where we can only scrape a lucky win against danish minnows, with Onana pulling a penalty save out of his ass (just to shove it back in there the next game).

Manchester United have been tring to minmax everything in every season, without any clear future or direction.

It's a lot more important to start building something and understand what we're building.

The difficulty is that a season outside of Europe makes us a lot worse of financially and a lot less attractive when signing new players.

if we aren't careful we will go the way of former big clubs like Everton where we'll just fall so far behind we'll never be able to catch up.

 

[Licha-Vidic]

The contract was to see if Amorim can turn it around and show improvement in two seasons. This has always been the case apart from the contract that was too long. 6 years for Moyes was ridiculous. A manager who was a top 6 manager at best. All the others were about 3 years, so when it didn’t improve as in getting us to challenge for the title after two full seasons, they were sacked. Because Amorim didn’t start until November he will probably be given next season and if improvement then the next .season after will be to try and get him to sign another, if no improvement he will get the boot.

In your opinion, just personal opinion...

Do you think 'the scale of the job' now can be done in 2 years? Even with hindsight.

By Ineos giving him 2&1/2 season contract, did they envisage a situation where we are now worse than we were 1 year ago, and needing more time and resources.

As Ineos does Amorim gets evaluated mid point of his contract or at what point?

Presently, as the situation is, what is the target for Amorim? To return us to top 6 , top 4 or what? And when does this KPI be assessed..

Also as Ineos, finishing position 15 or 5, the difference of 10 places has an implications of around 30m in prize money being in question. Then add missing European Competition all together adds another 20m lost in revenue. While being in Europa league guarantees some 17m in revenue.
So as Ineos, how much of a hit can you carry because of the coach not getting results.

Because we are getting more broke, because of Amorim poor results. So compound that with him needing more money to create his team, on a team he has made more broke..

 

[JPRouve]

Yes but we have no idea what he says to the players, so the perception of him is ours and not theirs. I get the point, hence my preference, as a fan, for him not saying what he did. But I have no doubt he is putting pressure on them away from the cameras, no manager would not be. These guys want to win beyond all else.

What he says to the players better be the same thing he says in public, it's one of these topics where you can't have a diverging discourse. Think about this, if winning a cup now isn't important then why would winning in the future be more important? What makes it more important later, what makes it ever important? And as a player if good performances from me now aren't important then what am I here for?

 

[Gavinb33]

Obviously he is trying to remove some pressure from players. They seem to perform best when there are no expectations.

Also, he is correct. Forcing our way to a cup trophy means nothing in the long term, as the meaningless Carling and FA cups in the last 10 years have shown us.

Actually I believe that a season without european football might benefit the team greatly. Less games to play, more training/recovery time, focus on domestic scene.

It's weird but it's the truth currently. I'd rather no champions league, than a champions league where we can only scrape a lucky win against danish minnows, with Onana pulling a penalty save out of his ass (just to shove it back in there the next game).

Manchester United have been tring to minmax everything in every season, without any clear future or direction.

It's a lot more important to start building something and understand what we're building.

Ole said the same thing btw and was hounded for it

 

[The Mitcher]

Ole said the same thing btw and was hounded for it

As he should have been,

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

This to me is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on this forum. What in God's name has Garnacho done to deserve that?

Helped us win the FA Cup against the odds vs our bitter rivals, won the Puskas goal of the year and given me far more enjoyable memories than Amorim has since he came in and made us worse with his 5 defenders and 2 number 10s.

 

[MCDC]

No but I expect a coach that manages Man United not to come out with yet another statement saying ; “The Europa cup doesn’t matter, just like he says the same about the FA Cup!”

He’s just digging his own grave, I expect nothing but 1 point per game in the PL all the way to early next season when SJR inevitably gives him the boot and fans like you do a full 180 when you realise Ineos are seriously just as bad as the Glazers, and they are making multiple mistake after mistake as co owners of the club.

Why doesn’t Amorim just zip it, fans don’t want to hear we have no chance in the Europa League and his delusional BS about wining the PL, hey Ruben win back to back matches in the EPL first because all the previous coaches since Fergie at least managed to do just that!


Ps I said without European Football next season he would be lucky to get £50m but he needs £250-300m to get his imprint on a team which is why Liverpool said no!

“The goal is to win the Premier League. So I know that we are losing games and losing trophies during this season, but the goal is to win the Premier League again,”

That is what Amorim said, Van Gaal won the Fa cup was sacked ETH won the FA cup should of been sacked, the PL is where managers are judged.

Fans like You - very condescending attitude....

INEOS have made mistakes, I expect there to be more mistakes, everyone makes mistakes but I have faith they will get it right, otherwise I would end up a hyperbolic Fan like you.....

Did INEOS put us in debt?
Have the taken dividends out of the club?
Have they put in more money than the Glazers?

I am not condoning there actions, but your constant exaggerations and essays with no substance or facts are draining, you talk as if you are from the future who knows all, no one truly knows what is going to happen and no matter how mant times you condescend other fans isn't going to change that.

I was on the protest at the weekend, shows my thoughts towards them, but they are nothing compared with those parasites.

If he was given 50m he could make 5 x 50m signings with 10m on amortization.

 

[JPRouve]

As he should have been,

I don't remember the exact quote but Ole said that the league was the true marker of progress, he didn't say that winning cups wasn't important.

 

[tomaldinho1]

What he says to the players better be the same thing he says in public, it's one of these topics where you can't have a diverging discourse. Think about this, if winning a cup now isn't important then why would winning in the future be more important? What makes it more important later, what makes it ever important? And as a player if good performances from me now aren't important then what am I here for?

Not sure why this would be a rule? I've had bosses do the same and it's no problem whatsoever i.e. we're giving this statement but we're doing it for x,y or z reasons so don't read into it'. I've also had it in football before with a manager who used to always play down games importance in the pre match notes + then be going ballistic in the dressing room before kick off trying to get everyone coming out frothing at the chops. The players will care what he says in private to them + there is zero doubt a number of them know they are playing for their futures.

The Ole parallel is that Ole's wording was so poorly chosen, it played perfectly into the idea of him not being able to get teams over the line in cup comps which was essentially his downfall.

 

[Shark]

“The goal is to win the Premier League. So I know that we are losing games and losing trophies during this season, but the goal is to win the Premier League again,”

That is what Amorim said, Van Gaal won the Fa cup was sacked ETH won the FA cup should of been sacked, the PL is where managers are judged.

Fans like You - very condescending attitude....

INEOS have made mistakes, I expect there to be more mistakes, everyone makes mistakes but I have faith they will get it right, otherwise I would end up a hyperbolic Fan like you.....

Did INEOS put us in debt?
Have the taken dividends out of the club?
Have they put in more money than the Glazers?

I am not condoning there actions, but your constant exaggerations and essays with no substance or facts are draining, you talk as if you are from the future who knows all, no one truly knows what is going to happen and no matter how mant times you condescend other fans isn't going to change that.

I was on the protest at the weekend, shows my thoughts towards them, but they are nothing compared with those parasites.

If he was given 50m he could make 5 x 50m signings with 10m on amortization.

Come on, everyone and their granny knows that the Europa League is absolutely vital this season of all seasons. Let's not start moving the goalposts. Not only from a financial aspect, but if we go crashing out against Sociedad, we'll only have the league in which we've only become relatively safe from a relegation battle. We are hanging on by a shoe string now under this manager.

If anything it's a condescending attitude to play down the importance of winning this cup.

 

[The Mitcher]

I don't remember the exact quote but Ole said that the league was the true marker of progress, he didn't say that winning cups wasn't important.

He said trophies are for egos. Even though the league is a trophy, just not a cup competition.

 

[TsuWave]

We dug our own grave with ridiculous transfers. Ridiculous to expect a CL qualification to fix our budget.
We have now 2 seperate owners, give me a break.

If we get rid of Rashy, Shaw, Mount, Casemiro, Linde, Evans, expensive mistakes like Sancho, Antony.. Our financial situation will improve dramatically.

And we have to be very careful who we buy this time.

For clarification - are you arguing that winning the Europa/CL qualification wouldn’t improve our financial situation?

You seem to be saying a lot of stuff that we all know - yes, we placed ourselves in this situation with poor deals - but how is that an argument against winning the Europa helping us?

 

[soapythecat]

We dug our own grave with ridiculous transfers. Ridiculous to expect a CL qualification to fix our budget.
We have now 2 seperate owners, give me a break.

If we get rid of Rashy, Shaw, Mount, Casemiro, Linde, Evans, expensive mistakes like Sancho, Antony.. Our financial situation will improve dramatically.

And we have to be very careful who we buy this time.

Of the names you listed, most will run down their contracts. 2 years before we are rid of overpaid and underperforming players.
Antony will be loaned again and Rashford will be back on our bench. No one is touching Mount, Shaw or Casemiro with a barge pole.

 

[JPRouve]

He said trophies are for egos. Even though the league is a trophy, just not a cup competition.

He didn't just say that, that part got him some criticism which makes sense but it wasn't the point that he was making and his point was correct. And it was in the context of what a manager should be judged against.

"In the league position you see if there’s any progress for me, that’s always the bread and butter of the season that you see how capable you are of coping of ups and downs any cup competition can give you a trophy but sometimes it’s more of an ego thing from other managers and clubs to finally win something.

"But we need to see progress and if we perform well enough the trophies will end up at the club again. It’s not like a trophy will say that we’re back, no.

 

[The Mitcher]

He didn't just say that, that part got him some criticism which makes sense but it wasn't the point that he was making and his point was correct.

I suppose he's right, I mean ETH and Mourinho won cups but did not progress us in the slightest. Though Ole in the end didn't back this talk up either.

 

[Abhinav]

Every manager comes here and lowers the expectations at some point. This one has to be the quickest since Moyes said we need to aspire to be like City.

Somethings sound better in the head and should be left unsaid. Either say nothing, or say we will try our best but its a tough competition, etc. Trying to portray the team’s incompetence as a choice for the larger good, is tragic.

 

[red_de_pologne]

Winning the Europa League guarantees champions league football and more money. Which means access to a better transfer budget and players more willing to come here. How does that not help these so-called bigger things and long term planning?

A season without European football will compound the already disastrous financial position we are in. Why are fans such as yourself so ignorant of the situation? The further from top 4 we finish the less money we get, the less sponsorships, in fact there are clauses that negatively impact us with Adidas if we don't get champions league football.

This attitude makes no sense. We will be even worse without European football.

He obviously knows this.. I imagine he's trying to relieve the pressure from our snowflakes

 

[Woziak]

“The goal is to win the Premier League. So I know that we are losing games and losing trophies during this season, but the goal is to win the Premier League again,”

That is what Amorim said, Van Gaal won the Fa cup was sacked ETH won the FA cup should of been sacked, the PL is where managers are judged.

Fans like You - very condescending attitude....

INEOS have made mistakes, I expect there to be more mistakes, everyone makes mistakes but I have faith they will get it right, otherwise I would end up a hyperbolic Fan like you.....

Did INEOS put us in debt?
Have the taken dividends out of the club?
Have they put in more money than the Glazers?

I am not condoning there actions, but your constant exaggerations and essays with no substance or facts are draining, you talk as if you are from the future who knows all, no one truly knows what is going to happen and no matter how mant times you condescend other fans isn't going to change that.

I was on the protest at the weekend, shows my thoughts towards them, but they are nothing compared with those parasites.

If he was given 50m he could make 5 x 50m signings with 10m on amortization.

My condescending attitude is only directed towards INEOS, I’ve been consistent day one saying at best they know how to manage a Yo Yo club like Nice and fans should only expect similar with them to the Glazers
, so far all of thoughts have been completely vindicated with their complete incompetence of running the club, the club had never been lower than 8th since the PL started and in their first season they will be pick to finish 14th and maybe having sacked two coaches and one DOF and as for our coach I keep saying Sack him or Back him but please someone in authority just put a gagging order on him talking about how bad the club is, the worst in history, how is 63 year old GK would be a better option than Marcus Rashford from the bench and how wining cup has no relevance to his job and the ultimate aim of wining the PL title?

If being hyperbolic is wanting your coach to not put 7 players on the bench of which two were goalkeepers and wanting him to show more ambition in the way he sets up his team then I can assure having been to old Trafford at the weekend, I’d say 65% of the fan base are now hyperbolic.

If he was given 50m he could make 5 x 50m means he could buy with £10m through amortisation?

Jesus you can’t make it up to buy £250m players the club would need to pay £30-35m in Agent fees alone and how are we going to continue to do transfers on yearly instalments when we already owe over £400m in transfer debt.

The club would need a minimum of £150-160m to facilitate a £250m transfer spend and if they are buying players out of a contract, that transfer fee of £50m needs to be paid upfront in one instalment!

Add that to the £60/65m we will lose in tv and sponsorship revenue and the £30-40m of interest charges the club pays every year before they even turn on the lights at old Trafford!

 

[MCDC]

Come on, everyone and their granny knows that the Europa League is absolutely vital this season of all seasons. Let's not start moving the goalposts. Not only from a financial aspect, but if we go crashing out against Sociedad, we'll only have the league in which we've only become relatively safe from a relegation battle. We are hanging on by a shoe string now under this manager.

If anything it's a condescending attitude to play down the importance of winning this cup.

The extra revenue would be a huge help for Amorim's budget and the clubs finances.

I didn't move any goalposts you just made that up, I stated that those cups were not good enough to keep those managers.

This team is not going to win the EL.

Is Hojlund suddenly going to be in the right place and develop a 1st touch?
Is Garnacho going to score before he gets to 60 shots?
Is Zirkzee going to take the occasional chance he gets?

Relatively safe from relegation

Ipswich are on 17 points from 27 games.

You are expecting them to get exactly the same points total from 11 games, to overtake us with us picking up 0 points till the end of the season.

The context was regarding the fact that success in these trophies, hasn't lead to long term success, as they have papered over the cracks.

I do not know if Amorim, is the guy as some people say, but with the state of this squad and the removal of the depth to get value in them, I will give him till Christmas next year, as the players we are looking at fit multiple systems.

 

[The Mitcher]

He obviously knows this.. I imagine he's trying to relieve the pressure from our snowflakes

Clearly not if he's lowering expectations and prepping us for defeat.

 

[Irwin99]

I really don't like this. Maybe he's trying to relieve the pressure on the players but the fans don't want to hear it and the best bet to progress and win this competition is to get the fans at OT to believe when the second leg of each tie is at home.

A really shite United team beat Liverpool and City on the way to the FA cup last year. Find a way to win with what you have.

 

[stepic]

Well we don't know that actually. It could just as easily be Ratlciffe/Ineos were embarrassed that they so publicly backed Ten Hag only to have it inevitably blow up in their faces 3 months later. So they were desperate to get a big name in asap to save face.

And it has to be said if Amorim was the clubs long term choice and not just the best available in November when they eventually realized they had to sack ETH. Then they could have got him in Pre-season as he was available last summer when the club were interviewing potential successors to Ten Hag. But apparently Amorim wasn't even interviewed.

According to reports he wasn’t included in interviews because of his tactical system which didn’t fit with the players in the summer. Clearly the crazy decision to extend Eth and then to see the team continue to struggle meant they reconsidered this stance between the summer and Amorim’s appointment. Again, it’s just poor from United senior management. But when they made the call on Amorim they made the call to change the system too. They knew, he knew, most of us all knew what to expect. I think it just took INEOS longer than everyone else to realise the players were not up to scratch, hence they knew they had to go in another direction.

I get your point that he clearly wasn’t the long term plan back in the summer. The first 6 months of INEOS haven’t exactly been brilliant though, Eth extension being error number 1

 

[Licha-Vidic]

Amorim's performance has no bearing on whether or not the decision to sack or keep ETH was costly.

Sadly, i dont agree with you on this. Look at it, with the eyes of the owners. Not as a fan. But as someone who put is own money in all this.
Amorim failure is tenfold. Paying his release clause, paying ETH termination dues, poor results plummeting the team to disastrous position ( read league finish prize money), not being in Europe ( all the matchday revenue because of less games, tv rights prize), see i havent even talked about buying players. As we would have bought players no matter who the manager is.

in short, if Amorim was performing then the Cost Benefit analysis would've been positive, now we are near the bad sunk cost territory.. If Amorim fails it would be a disaster the owner of the money.

Keeping ETH when we KNEW he was poor is definitely worse than hiring a manager who ends up performing poorly, because we KNEW that Ten Hag was poor. Keeping Ten Hag meant we had a whole summer basically wasted, waiting until his inevitable sacking, we clearly signed players based on his preferences too.

Nothing has Amorim done to suggest he will even topple ETH 3rd position finish, get into 2 FA Cup finals in 2 years.
This is what many people are mistaking, Amorim has achieved absolutely nothing, for us, is showing absolutely nothing to suggest otherwise.

Bringing in a new coach in summer ensures a fresh start and if that coach is poor, we can look at replacing them ahead of the new season like any other club would but at least we tried something different when we KNEW that the current guy was not working. Now we are in a limbo timing wise.

As the one paying money in all this, this is a disaster.
As a fan to you, it's just emotions. To Ineos its real money in millions at play.
Poor managerial appointment in cost, cost same as signing Dorgu ( release clause and termination dues) then the new managers sinks you further.

We also should have signed a a couple of proven quality forward players and sold Rashford and Antony in the summer. More is lost through indecision than the wrong decision, the wrong decision can be rectified if you act quickly but if you dither and then need to rectify your mistake but are indecisive all the time then the issues grow and grow. All of our summer antics have cost us a lot.

 

[Ali Dia]

Dead man walking unfortunately

We are a shambles for sure but he still has a team that cost

50 Onana
60? Yoro
80 Maguire
30 Dorgu
20 Dalot
50 Bruno
40 Ugarte
Free Garnacho
69 Rasmus
40 Zirkzee

Like that's 10 times what Socidad have spent and pay in wages and probably the most in the whole competition proper. He's probably the highest paid manager in it too. Let's say we've been clueless and overpaid for Rasmus and Maguire. It's still the fecking England captain of the last 5 years and a player who hit 15 goals last season and who's goals have kept us in the competition.
I'm not freaking out on Amorim but as I said it feels like he's going to quit or get sacked at the end of the season and has totally no idea how to get the players up even for a one off cup game the only thing we've left to play for. Everyone is playing worse under him apart from Ugarte and Bruno. Shocking

 

[Marwood]

Perhaps but for Amorims system we'll probably need to have a few more centrebacks and no10s than we would normally if we were planning on using 433/4231.

I reckon we've had 6 CB's at the club for the last decade anyway.

 

[DJ Jeff]

Winning the Europa League guarantees champions league football and more money. Which means access to a better transfer budget and players more willing to come here. How does that not help these so-called bigger things and long term planning?

A season without European football will compound the already disastrous financial position we are in. Why are fans such as yourself so ignorant of the situation? The further from top 4 we finish the less money we get, the less sponsorships, in fact there are clauses that negatively impact us with Adidas if we don't get champions league football.

This attitude makes no sense. We will be even worse without European football.

Agree. It was fine to say that 8 years ago when we weren't in a perilous financial position and it wouldn't have been our 2nd year running of no CL for the first time. Now its an absolute disaster, it destroys our potential signings market and hurts us even more financially. I would lose every single league game and finish as low as possible (we're already too high up to get relegated) it meant we somehow fluke a Europa win.

 

[The Mitcher]

Agree. It was fine to say that 8 years ago when we weren't in a perilous financial position and it wouldn't have been our 2nd year running of no CL for the first time. Now its an absolute disaster, it destroys our potential signings market and hurts us even more financially. I would lose every single league game and finish as low as possible (we're already too high up to get relegated) it meant we somehow fluke a Europa win.

I just hate this idea of writing off seasons as if that attitude has no repurcussions for the club? Two whole boards have written off the past two seasons. The last glazer appointed board and INEOS wrote off last season, now INEOS is writing off this season. It hurts the club financially and it lowers expectations.

 

[wolvored]

In your opinion, just personal opinion...

Do you think 'the scale of the job' now can be done in 2 years? Even with hindsight.

By Ineos giving him 2&1/2 season contract, did they envisage a situation where we are now worse than we were 1 year ago, and needing more time and resources.

As Ineos does Amorim gets evaluated mid point of his contract or at what point?

Presently, as the situation is, what is the target for Amorim? To return us to top 6 , top 4 or what? And when does this KPI be assessed..

Also as Ineos, finishing position 15 or 5, the difference of 10 places has an implications of around 30m in prize money being in question. Then add missing European Competition all together adds another 20m lost in revenue. While being in Europa league guarantees some 17m in revenue.
So as Ineos, how much of a hit can you carry because of the coach not getting results.

Because we are getting more broke, because of Amorim poor results. So compound that with him needing more money to create his team, on a team he has made more broke..

It depends on how many players are moved in and out in the summer whether Amorim can turn it around in two season and what Ineos will accept. Top 4 is a long maybe, but top 6/7 could be achieved with enough new players in and if that’s acceptable in the short term, then he may get another short contract. Arteta and Klopp had a tipsy Turvey start in the premier, but they also had a pre season and their pick of players from the start, something Amorim hasn’t had.

 

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