Your original post was literally blaming him for taking the job now instead of in the summer. You’ve now moved the goalposts to save face. Just take the L dude.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Your original post was literally blaming him for taking the job now instead of in the summer. You’ve now moved the goalposts to save face. Just take the L dude.
See above posts.
He obviously wanted to join United. You guys are literally blaming him for wanting to join United
Ah and how about that...a different reporter and a different message conveyed about Amorim that doesn't inflame the mob and is much more balanced:
Fecks sake, it's all one hundred percent sensible. This place sometimes. Yeah we're starving for improvement for over a decade. Let's not lose our heads to these click baiters that live off rage and hyperbole
Link to article - ESPN FC
Fecks sake, it's all one hundred percent sensible. This place sometimes. Yeah we're starving for improvement for over a decade. Let's not lose our heads to these click baiters that live off rage and hyperbole
Link to article - ESPN FC
I've watched the actual interview from the link and now agree what he said is sensible. He did quite importantly say that winning Europa would help a lot, so he's not discarding the importance of it whilst eluding to the fact that the true improvements are behind the scenes.
Or blame no one and just accept reality. He made a choice, no one forced him to make it and managers do not have to join United, plenty of all time greats did perfectly fine without United.
Yup and I'm sensing that on the flip, winning the Europa League wouldn't slow him down or soften his stance around the level of changes needed. All in all, I think a very fair perspective.
I'm not, stop strawmanning us. You are the one lying saying he was forced to join. No one is forced to join an employer.See above posts.
He obviously wanted to join United. You guys are literally blaming him for wanting to join United
I think the choice was, "you join now or never". That's an ultimatum which isn't much better than the way you're defining forced.
He has been open with the media since his arrival, but he might begin to regret that approach as the results continue to be bad and the season comes to an end.
The bland and boring approach with the media might have made his life easier in the long run.
We see this happen with every manager/coach the job just drains the energy from them.
*Not an observation from today’s presser, more just in general.
The bland and boring approach with the media might have made his life easier in the long run.
We see this happen with every manager/coach the job just drains the energy from them.
*Not an observation from today’s presser, more just in general.
Yeah I agree, he can't keep emotively explaining bad results and going deep into why things are going wrong. Should just play a straight bat sometimes.
I like Amorim I think he has a clear philosophy and staying with that for a period of time will only do us good. Building is called building for a reason, not everything is fixed straight away but once the foundations are laid it's much easier.
A manager can't teach somebody how to score goals. That ability is the most illusive in football. If they could teach it we wouldn't have a shortage of goalscorers in the game. If they could teach it they'd have been goalscorers themselves. You have to buy it in.
The irony is that the qualities of openness and honesty that make Amorim popular and a media darling are most likely corrosive to team morale. With every passing week he demonstrates why Ten Hag's insistence on fobbing off the media by defending the performance, which everyone despised him for, was probably a far more sensible approach to morale management.
This exchange started because @roseguy64 was blaming Amorim for joining mid season, failing to appreciate that it was a take it or leave it offer ultimatum from United. Amorim accepted it knowing it would be difficult as a result - he’s embracing the reality of the situation. Most of us are doing the same, the only people with an issue are the ones like rose blaming Amorim for any random nonsense they can think up.
It's not just about the strikers/attackers, Hojilund and Zirkzee may be a lost cause either way, but nobody has improved. Not Mainoo, Garnacho or anybody has raised their level or regressed completely. Amad I'd not even include because he pretty much just needed to be played, as opposed to phased out under ETH.
I say stay the course with Ruben. There's really no choice anyway and in fact I would say we're at some risk of Ruben walking on us even with the knowledge that that would mean his contract is torn up and he gets no severance payments from the club.
My only quibble with Amorim is that he persists with tactics with players who just can't or wait deal with the tactics. We need a rebuild no matter what so why not sacrifice his principles now and do whatever it would have taken to secure at least a EL spot if not an actual CL spot by winning the EL this season AND THEN teach whoever is in the squad this summer how to play football.
My only quibble with Amorim is that he persists with tactics with players who just can't or wait deal with the tactics. We need a rebuild no matter what so why not sacrifice his principles now and do whatever it would have taken to secure at least a EL spot if not an actual CL spot by winning the EL this season AND THEN teach whoever is in the squad this summer how to play football.
Would have been interesting to see how he would have handled both Ronolad and Snacho with the media. “They gave me a way past his prime primadona who can’t run, and a fecking waster who stays up all night playing FIFA then can’t be arsed to put in any effort in training. Pair of cnuts, I tell ya.”
If you take as a fact that he wanted to step up to manage on the biggest clubs in the world, which is probably the ambition of all managers when they are start off, have some success and are upwardly mobile, then it's fair to say he was offered the option to join in the summer or not at all.
Why is he speaking as if he's some realist pundit? This is going to do nothing to inspire a squad at rock-bottom morale.
I wholeheartedly agree with your second paragraph.
Yeah them two being a lost cause is exactly why Chido should have been registered with Dorgu and Heaven back on Feb 6. Would have been such a useful option for Ruben to utilise
So basically, we have no chance of winning the Europa league, because the players are rubbish, but in a few years and whole new squad you wait and see we will win everything. That's basically what he's saying isn't it.
That is crap management whatever way you look at it. His ego can't handle the failure and he is throwing the players under the bus. Great stuff, that can only go well.
That is crap management whatever way you look at it. His ego can't handle the failure and he is throwing the players under the bus. Great stuff, that can only go well.
Where has he said we've no chance of winning it and thrown players under the bus?
Winning EL would be good.
Going out now to play once a week would be good.
I think that's what Amorim secretly thinks, it doesn't matter either way to him but I believe he wants to win every game - but if we go out, it's not the end of the world either.
Going out now to play once a week would be good.
I think that's what Amorim secretly thinks, it doesn't matter either way to him but I believe he wants to win every game - but if we go out, it's not the end of the world either.