He spends a lot of time talking about merit and players earning their place, but does he have the courage to drop Onana?
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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I honestly have no idea why we signed Zirkzee. Such a bizarre transfer. But then a lot of those goals he scored came on the break. Or came from truly abysmal defending.
He did score a beauty against Sassuolo, but at no point has he ever shown that level here.
It would help if bayindir was fit.
He has been crap, he showed a glimmer of form at the start of the season for a few games and he's reverted back to last years standard. He's a dud.
Bayindir will look worse. He is really substandard.
Also, both Heaton and him are injured at the moment.
He regressed after Amorim got rid if his goalkeeping coach who had worked hard to improve his form
Zirkzee was the only player today who can control, dribble the ball and pass it to his team mates. Unfortunately he makes shit decisions in the final third, which is unfortunate for a striker
oh Onana needs to be replaced next season, don't think I've ever seen a less commanding keeper at United. Absolute shitshow
Nothing to suggest performance wise that anyone could look worse in goal than Onana has. Don’t care if it’s Bayindir or Heaton or some academy teenager who owns a pair of gloves. It’s time to move on.
You can keep saying it, in multiple threads by the looks of things. But that doesn’t make it true.
He’s always had a very awkward style of shot stopping, it was evident at Ajax and Inter. He’s performing at his level, which would be fine if he was capable of the kind of ball progression and calmness he used to produce in possession. He sadly isn’t and is a large part of the problem with the defence being so nervous.
Really tough for him and I’m not sure how he gets out of this funk, but we have little option but to keep playing him given the injuries.
Doesn't happen like that, Homes. It's a specialist position. You cannot simply throw a youngster and move on.
Which shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone and should've been known to the club before we did the transfer, if they had listened to scouts instead of blindly going off the manager's shopping list.
The reason we apparently got him is because he's good with the ball etc.
He never seems to play a quick ball, it either gets passed sideways 2 yards at a goal kick or he kicks it out of play.
Whys he not playing any kind of quick ball?
He never seems to play a quick ball, it either gets passed sideways 2 yards at a goal kick or he kicks it out of play.
Whys he not playing any kind of quick ball?
3 in 30 for everton looks like
One of the very few plus points I can take is that, a few weeks ago, he was the first manager to say we're a club that is too focused on playing transitional football and now he's saying that we shouldn't need to go behind in games to start playing better and this has been a huge problem for a very long time, going back over 6 or 7 years under both Ole and EtH . I guess at the very least he's identified problems his predecessors didn't seem to.
Comebacks, 'Fergie time' and the never say die mentality are a big part of the romance of Manchester United but it's been taking the piss for many years now. You shouldn't need to fall behind or get dominated for sixty-seventy minutes before the players suddenly spring into life, especially against the likes of Leicester, Southampton and Everton.
Comebacks, 'Fergie time' and the never say die mentality are a big part of the romance of Manchester United but it's been taking the piss for many years now. You shouldn't need to fall behind or get dominated for sixty-seventy minutes before the players suddenly spring into life, especially against the likes of Leicester, Southampton and Everton.
Having now watched numerous games with his system in operation. I have come to the conclusion it's not really very good.
The two tens in this system are neither here nor there. There neither in midfield or in attack, so the forward is generally isolated whatever and the midfield overrun aswell, playing a 5 at the back system where you lose genuine wide attacking players generally has the advantage of being able to pack the midfield and have two up front. But this system gives you neither but still with the drawback of no wingers.
The other advantage of playing 3 CB's should be actually playing 3 big genuine CB's and being able to really defend you box well. But we don't get that either because we don't play 3 big physical CB's it's generally always a full back or Martinez so you end up with a player that is neither a CB or a full back who also gets dragged out of posistion either into the overrun midfield or covering for the wingback who is a full back by trade being asked to play as a winger to make up for the no wide threat for no gain.
This isn't a sustainable system in this league whatever players you try and put into it.
The two tens in this system are neither here nor there. There neither in midfield or in attack, so the forward is generally isolated whatever and the midfield overrun aswell, playing a 5 at the back system where you lose genuine wide attacking players generally has the advantage of being able to pack the midfield and have two up front. But this system gives you neither but still with the drawback of no wingers.
The other advantage of playing 3 CB's should be actually playing 3 big genuine CB's and being able to really defend you box well. But we don't get that either because we don't play 3 big physical CB's it's generally always a full back or Martinez so you end up with a player that is neither a CB or a full back who also gets dragged out of posistion either into the overrun midfield or covering for the wingback who is a full back by trade being asked to play as a winger to make up for the no wide threat for no gain.
This isn't a sustainable system in this league whatever players you try and put into it.
When I was training as a kid, the old coaches always used to say:
A team is defined by it's goalkeeper and number 9.
A great keeper and great striker win you stuff.
We have diabolical striker and terrible keeper.
Maybe the old guys were onto something...
Van Persie won us the last title almost by himself, didn't he?
A team is defined by it's goalkeeper and number 9.
A great keeper and great striker win you stuff.
We have diabolical striker and terrible keeper.
Maybe the old guys were onto something...
Van Persie won us the last title almost by himself, didn't he?
The shape of the team in both attack and defence are horrendous. Shit on both ends. Absolute mess.
Has he earned the right to manage United? In what way does his coaching make us better? Why does he leave our best attacker on the bench? Do Maguire and De Ligt have the recovery pace to play in a back 3? Amorim should ask the same questions to the players as to himself.
ETH played good football at Ajax and Ragnick created the Gegenpress whilst Amorim was playing nice winning football at Sporting
Yet they come here and professional footballers make it look hard to strig 5 passes together I have no explanation for it
There's not a manager on the planet who can get a decent brand of football out of this squad they are not up for the hard work
Because our team isn't organized and is rather slow to move into space.
then you're not living in the present. Or in reality.
You are talking about living in the present then proceed to list 5 players who have barely featured under Amorim 2 of which are currently at other clubs.
Regardless my point remains, the majority of the players we've signed since 2022 are certainly better than 16th in the league mate.
Onana is definitely a specialist at whatever it is he’s doing on a weekly basis. He’s unmatched in the modern game.
Im sorry Homes, but your feelings on the matter are both misinformed and really don’t address my point. There’s loads of example of young goalkeepers breaking through the ranks when given the chance, and Onana simply hasn’t done anything to warrant automatic selection week after week.
Im not suggesting that we have our next long term keeper waiting in the academy, but how much longer does Amorim persist with someone we know is not the answer long term and is having detrimental effects on our short term success.
Michael Carrick was a nominee for PL Player of the season that year so no it wasn't just Van Persie that won us the league.
Anyway you're not wrong, our keeper and strikers are poor and it is pure negligence that we signed an unproven Hojlund as our number 1 striker and even worse that we persisted with him this season instead of buying at least one proven forward.
We aren't buying a whole new team for him or any manager in one window but you would think that with a better striker, even this season, we would be in a better place. The thing though, is that it looks like the defense is folding so these brainfarts will always hold us back.
I'm assuming that if we get a better striker in, freshen up the defense with a more physical and quicker CCB and get another 10 like Cunha to help with the creativity then sometime on training the system in preseason we should see improvements. We won't instantly make top 4 but we will be much better than this.
Fully agree, we’ve got (another) historic and expensive rebuild on our hands and I don’t know if he or his system have demonstrated enough to be in charge of the undertaking.
Watching him look like a man who's lost everything in a divorce in his press conferences recently doesn't fill me with hope that he can motivate our players either.
Yeah feels this job is a little too big for him.
Where to play Bruno and Garnacho is a problem for him.
Amad and Garnacho have been the only players that can bring a threat and without Amad, Garnacho has to play. I see people moan how Garna is not playing or why is Bruno in a midfield two yet don't connect under Amorim they've both been played in the left 10 position so if Garna plays Bruno has to play in a midfield two and if we have two central midfielders then Bruno has been used as left 10 forcing Garnacho to the bench. Bruno deeper can work at times against low quality opposition or for brief periods but him being in a midfield two or left 10 doesn't work well enough.
We also have nothing to really to work from with Hojlund sadly, We rely on Garna or Amad directness, or a Bruno moment to score. It's early with Dorgu but there's not much happening in the box or it's fairly slow with Bruno, at least Dorgu and Garnacho offer the good positions even if we se selfish attempts, both can carry the ball and offer speed.
Sporting had Goncalves as left 10, a midfielder. I'm just not seeing it with Bruno and he's best in 3 man midfield or ahead of two strong types.
Of course there's coaching to factor in, the link up and Zirkzee not understanding the other players is really making easy setups incredibly difficult. I think Garnacho coming on gave us the impetus, it wasn't being 2-0 we started to play, so little balance before, 343 isn't intrinsically wrong, we just don't have the players working well and how do we go from here? Sell Bruno, allow him to shine in a strong 433/4231 elsewhere, or play him left 10 or even right 10 and Amad as RWB? We desperately need someone better and more agile in CF if Bruno is to play left 10 and we need an athletic technical midfielder or two.
Amad and Garnacho have been the only players that can bring a threat and without Amad, Garnacho has to play. I see people moan how Garna is not playing or why is Bruno in a midfield two yet don't connect under Amorim they've both been played in the left 10 position so if Garna plays Bruno has to play in a midfield two and if we have two central midfielders then Bruno has been used as left 10 forcing Garnacho to the bench. Bruno deeper can work at times against low quality opposition or for brief periods but him being in a midfield two or left 10 doesn't work well enough.
We also have nothing to really to work from with Hojlund sadly, We rely on Garna or Amad directness, or a Bruno moment to score. It's early with Dorgu but there's not much happening in the box or it's fairly slow with Bruno, at least Dorgu and Garnacho offer the good positions even if we se selfish attempts, both can carry the ball and offer speed.
Sporting had Goncalves as left 10, a midfielder. I'm just not seeing it with Bruno and he's best in 3 man midfield or ahead of two strong types.
Of course there's coaching to factor in, the link up and Zirkzee not understanding the other players is really making easy setups incredibly difficult. I think Garnacho coming on gave us the impetus, it wasn't being 2-0 we started to play, so little balance before, 343 isn't intrinsically wrong, we just don't have the players working well and how do we go from here? Sell Bruno, allow him to shine in a strong 433/4231 elsewhere, or play him left 10 or even right 10 and Amad as RWB? We desperately need someone better and more agile in CF if Bruno is to play left 10 and we need an athletic technical midfielder or two.
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yes, and the new squad is worse than the one 3 years ago - and that one wasn't good to begin with.
you think Hojlund, Antony, the current Casemiro are 'good players' and would start for a top half team
Casemiro can barely even run out there, Antony is already out of the league and Hojlund will be following him soon enough.the overrating of some of these dire players just in order to criticise the manager is absurdly hilarious.
He has not convinced me to warrant a new season. Forget about the result, I am yet to see what he us trying to do,but lack of quality is letting him down.
Persisting with 5 defenders +2 defensive midfielders is not what attacking managers do.
If he doesn't adapt to the Premier league he might be lucky to see out the season.
Persisting with 5 defenders +2 defensive midfielders is not what attacking managers do.
If he doesn't adapt to the Premier league he might be lucky to see out the season.
Makes Mourinho look like the chesire cat
Where did he persist with two DMs? This is the first game he's done it.
He sets us up so fecking negatively. No surprise that we looked so much better when we went more attacking in the second hslf.
I hope he realises sooner that clumsy passing between the back three for no reason at all just invites pressing from the opposition.
I really don't like a manager saying that he's worried about upcoming fixtures, he should be trying to motivate this group now.
Arsenal dreadful will a forward line of Trossard, Merino and Nwaneri.
They have the big excuse of injuries to all of their main men, but it's the level of forward line we have week in week out.
They have the big excuse of injuries to all of their main men, but it's the level of forward line we have week in week out.
And why you think somehow he is going to come good next season? 20 odd game of absolutely nothing, give him 200 games it will be the same.
Magically over pre season and some signings and everything will change.