What I see is a man who is contemplating his life choices
I don’t mind him showing feelings. He's a human being after all. But how you find that funny is far beyond my comprehension.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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I don’t mind him showing feelings. He's a human being after all. But how you find that funny is far beyond my comprehension.
I too was perplexed when hearing this I caught the interview just as he said it.
Amorim is very fortunate that INEOS don't have any ambition about them. He's basically telling himself staying in the league is getting through the season. If INEOS had any bottle about him they would be telling him he needs to win the Europa or a domestic cup to see it through to the summer.
Many on this forum highlighted Arteta's trajectory as the ideal route for an upcoming manager but we cannot miss that the FA cup win earned him a higher yield of patience.
Amorim has performed badly since his appointment, he needs to deliver something for the players, fans and his superiors to back him on. It should be a trophy or bust for him this season given the league standings, 5 points from top four when hired, now languishing around relegation in barely 3 months it's a disgrace.
Just seen some of post match interview and he says something along the lines of “everything we do in training we need to do in the match”. THIS is one of the issues! They’re training against each other (who are poor) and then when they get into a match with opposition that are just better at everything they wonder why they find it hard! They probably think they’re training well, but clearly other teams are being trainer better
I don't think Man United will ever have a successful future if they go down a route that gets rid of wingers, and players who can take people on. Amorim has been dealt a shit hand but I dunno, I'm not feeling the path he's taking the team towards as a general route. Not saying he can't make it good, just I don't think that's the path we should take. We'll see though, maybe he adapts the 10s to be more like wingers. It's just too negative and doesn't feel right for us.
We're 16th not 6th. I agree our recruitment has been largely poor and we've signed a lot of good/decent yet not world class players but this squad is much better than 16th.
And I'm not putting all the blame for that on Amorim by the way.
Well you must be the life of the party
Have a little laugh mate. Its a joke. Tongue in cheek.
We escaped fortress goodison with a point. Life is good.
Yeah that's fair but I'd rather he try out Kone at this point.
He spent £600m on shite because he wasn’t very good at identifying players who are good enough for this league. What’s your point?
Doesn’t mean Amorim will do the same thing. If he does then he will put himself under even more pressure, just like Eth.
Yes? And barring one or two they’ve all been terrible signings too.
Let's say we invest this summer (it won't be much since the likelihood of missing out on the CL). Most of this team will be there, unless we have a 100% success rate of new signings for the positions needed, it won't be a surprise if we still struggle next season too. It will take several windows which begs the question whether he will be afforded that time or sacked before
To a certain degree yes but as bad as ten Hag's recruitment was he didn't sign many really poor players. While most of them were overpriced the majority of them were and are good/decent players.
Some managers have a squad punching above thier weight and some have them performing less than the sum of their parts. Sadly we've had two of the latter in a row, one through ineptitude and one through trying to completely change the way a struggling team with no confidence plays mid-season.
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Well you must be the life of the party
Have a little laugh mate. Its a joke. Tongue in cheek.
I had enough of fans being complete assholes. We want United to win, but we do our absolute best to keep the negative floating. It’s not helpful at all.
It’s not targeted at you though
I’m just grumpy.
The fundemental part of football is being able to score goals. We spent £600m and our forward options are the worst it's ever been in the PL era. We have the making of a semi decent young spine, but as of now, we're still a long, long way off.
You're not making the players responsible. They are the ones who have us in this rut.
Why were we dogshit? Please tell me how you've formed that opinion, without making the players culpable for any part.
Then that is a club issue regarding recruitment.
Seems to be something deeply ingrained at the club, no matter who we bring in there is a lack of effort in some cases and lack of quality in others.
I had enough of fans being complete assholes. We want United to win, but we do our absolute best to keep the negative floating. It’s not helpful at all.
It’s not targeted at you though
Just trying to have a laugh in between the tears and misery mate
A point away from home feels like a massive result for us. Can a draw be a win?
We were able to dictate the game after scoring a goal and showed more intent in our attack. We looked like the team more likely to score next which we did, and we probably would have got a winner if we had another 10 mins.
Aggression and mentality is a big problem, I agree we are technically not at the level we want to be but we are also in a false league position relative to the technical level of the squad.
100%. Our diabolical transfer activity post SAF is the root of our problems. The consequence of that is the squad we currently have. The league table doesn’t lie.
Its actually a mentality problem. We are playing better only when we score a goal or before they score first.
It's not sporadic. It's at certain points where the players have to pull something together.
My point is obvious. We have virtually a new squad yet people are still banging on about the same ''these players'' nonsense 3 years later. We could completely change the squad again but the minute we struggle the players will be the problem again.
Ten Hag spent a lot of money (too much) on good/decent but not great players. But I think I'd struggle to name one that isn't good enough for at least a top 5-10 team in this league. Yet here we are sitting in 16th.
Yes? It's not like they have a history of getting managers sacked. They are terrible but we have won 4 of our last 15 PL games, let's get some perspective here.
I like Ruben. Can listen to his press conferences all day. Want him to succeed badly. But ultimately he has to show it on the pitch through the players. We got him to get the best out of these players and so far he has failed miserably. He needs to better. Blaming everything on the players and giving manager a free pass is not right. He has to work with these resources and show us that he is worth investing in both time and money.
Steve Coppell at city did quit after a month.
That first Moyes window was a disaster not just for the club, but did not help the manager. Then they recruitment crew completely lost their marbles.
We clearly have some good players. The main issue is that they don’t complement each other well, as they were signed by different managers to fit different styles.
Bruno thrives with players like Garnacho and Rashford around him. Maguire performs best when we defend deep. Ugarte excels in a high-pressing system. Dalot is at his best when he overlaps a winger. Hojlund is more effective when the team looks to find him through the channels. ZZ and Amad play better when the team operates as a compact unit.
All of them can be excellent players individually, but when combined, the sum feels smaller than its parts.
The system that best suits our squad is a low block with counter-attacks. However, this is the very style we’re trying to move away from in favor of more modern ideas.
His real point was that we looked good when they actually applied what they practiced in training and that they shat the bed in an actual game.
Arguably yes, Ten Hag and now Amorim have got rid of the majority of our attackers. Hojlund is young and struggling for confidence, we paid too much fo rhim and I'm not convinced but he's beter than he's currently showing. Zirkzee has been alright I suppose I'm not convinced he's even a striker and I'm not sure what role he was actually signed to play.
What's he up to now?
As I have said, the players are not top 4 level so if he had us 7-8 with a proper way of playing forming but us falling short due to quality, there could be some merit to the “it’s the players, not the manager” point.
We are pretty much in relegation form. We have gone from bad to worse the more time he gets to train the team. We are currently 15th - worse off points/game and position wise compared to when he came. We don’t look like a team or have any semblance of patterns or style of play. We cannot create or score and cannot defend set pieces or defend properly in general despite having 7 defensive players on the pitch.
What part of the above makes you think it’s mostly the players and the manager cannot get this lot to play better no matter what. It’s the same circle with every previous manager. We blame the players and absolve the manager until it becomes blindingly obvious a year or so down the line that the manager is out of his depth. It’s just unfortunate that we never got the manager bounce which we usually get and we have already started at the end-of-a-manager phase before his realm even started off properly.
Just trying to have a laugh in between the tears and misery mate
A point away from home feels like a massive result for us. Can a draw be a win?
Any point is a win at this point
If only we could've tricked Everton into thinking they had a 2 goal lead at the beginning of the match.
We don't have nearly enough pace for that system anymore.
We are in agreement. Just different wording.
Just never actually happens in the real world
then you're not living in the present. Or in reality.I can think of 8 Ten Hag signings not remotely good enough for a top 10 side: Antony. Mount (crocked). Onana. Casemiro (now). Eriksen (now). Hojlund. Zirkzee. Malacia. (total spend: £380m)
And one of the only Ten Hag signings who is good enough for a top 10 side - Martinez - has had 4 major injuries.
More like if only we can trick our players into thinking they’re 2-0 down at the beginning of the game. They play best when they’ve no pressure, look at them when they play away games and against the better teams this season.
Just trying to have a laugh in between the tears and misery mate
A point away from home feels like a massive result for us. Can a draw be a win?
Can a draw be a win. Man those old time references remind of days we were actually good, had an identity and there was a plan. I used to love RAWK back then. Look at us now...
Retired, doing functions and stuff.
The claim that Onana has been crap since he signed, we could have signed Ederson, Allison, or Diogo Costa instead and they would have failed here behind our defence and been blamed for every goal we conceed by people on here because they arnt David De Gea.