Why would you want Amorim to have to work with these players? I can't wait to see the back of them(with the exception of about five).
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Why would you want Amorim to have to work with these players? I can't wait to see the back of them(with the exception of about five).
The point being that it was blindingly obvious Bruno should play deeper, more out of the necessity that Casemiro was a complete liability.
Yep, shocking. Even more ridiculous watching teams like Villa who picked up players like Tielemans and Kamara for 'free'. How do they make it so hard?
Whether you want to or not, most of this squad will remain here for the foreseeable future.
Well who knows come the summer. I predict a whole bunch moving on.
But why anyone wants Amorim to work with them I don't understand. This idea of "getting the best out of them."
I think we've seen enough now where we can say this is their best.
Again, it's not about "want". The club is broke - we're not about to undergo another massive squad overhaul, as much as we'd all like one.
He is here since 3 month, we are talking about the most competitive league in the world. What kind of improve are you expecting exactly? But as long as you ask, we are more organized than before. In terms of spaces being made use of.
And the reason there isn't much to build on isn't his fault. He came right into a mess and this forum was euphoric to get rid of ETH. Again - it is fine to have expected some new manager bounce, didn't happen. He also probably added to the downwards trend with changing systems midseason, but it isn't like he broke a working system at all. There was nothing to build on as we were talking about a group of players where many, for some reasons think, they are better than they are. Players who only really turn up when they are the underdogs in a big match. No manager or system will be able to balance out getting outfought and outrun. And the injuries to key personal only add to the issues.
We can build on Amorim having a clear idea of how he wants to play. We can build on him being ready to follow through with players who don't contribute or behave unprofessionally. Thats not much and I wish it'd be more but we have to realize that all those issues aren't going away if Amorim would leave. Who thinks we'd improve only by playing one CB less must have forgotten how bad we were before. Or they still cling to Ruuds stint, forgetting that we played mostly favorable fixtures in his time.
I still have faith. He is the man to turn it around.
But we don't need a MASSIVE overhaul.
We have plenty of youngsters in 1st team.
We need to get like 5 players out immediately ( Rashy, Casemiro, 'Arry, Shaw and Dalot?) and bring in 4 (good experienced striker, midfielder, right back and goalkeeper).
Hardly overhaul.
We have plenty of youngsters in 1st team.
We need to get like 5 players out immediately ( Rashy, Casemiro, 'Arry, Shaw and Dalot?) and bring in 4 (good experienced striker, midfielder, right back and goalkeeper).
Hardly overhaul.
There's no way we go into next season with the same team
Looks like a broken man with a broken team who can barely complete passes.
Something Bruno said they discussed at half time, after the game. Sounded like Amorim raised this issue and said they can’t just start playing when we go behind. This has been an issue for a long time. You can count on one hand the number of times we’ve started strongly, going back the last few years. If I remember we had a record for comebacks under Ole.
There’s been articles this week saying INEOS intend to make wholesale changes to the squad in the summer.
Jury is still out of course. He needs a window or two like Ten Hag. I would definitely give him one full season, but the performance at least should improve.
Do you have a link?
Ole's squad is gone. Who's left honestly from the starting eleven aside from Maguire? That's why "these players" arguments can become quite tedious.
I think a CF and a more dynamic no10, or Amad at 10 and a quality RWB, and we’ll look much better. The CM and CB positions need sorting though before we’ll control football matches properly. But with the attack improved we’ll at least pose enough threat to win more games and keep the opposition humble. At the moment they have little to worry about coming back the other way.
I’ll have a look, I read the article on Reddit.
This.......Ugarte who has played quite well since joining and Dorgu who has already improved the left in the little we've seen, is what you get when players know what they are doing in a system they can play in. This is a building process. I'm glad we have a manager who is actually sticking to his guns. He seems to be the only person at the club that understands what is going on and who has vision. All we are seeing now with these matches is who doesn't belong.
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MIKE KEEGAN: Inside Ineos' plan for Manchester United's future
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...MIKE-KEEGAN.html?ito=native_share_article-top
Because you're refusing to think about how the squad has changed since then. The 24/25 squad is a fecking trainwreck, and the 22/23 squad was decent. If you don't see all the reasons why, especially after they've been pointed out here dozens of times, there's no helping you.
Can you post any thread before this season that said we have a relegation level squad? How is the drop off this season vs last explainable by the squad.
I have enough memory that the consensus on here was that we actually had a good transfer window under Ineos. De Ligt and Mazroui from Bayern, who looked an upgrade on AWB. A specialist DM with legs in Ugarte. Zirkzee replacing Martial who never played. The only miss has been McTominay's goals.
Absolutely. I just have a hard time faulting him for that having come in November, with a horrible winter transfer period and perhaps some bad luck with injuries.
We hired the manager from Sporting, making his jump to a "euro giant" for the first time. I just think that necessitates all the patience in the world.
If there isn't that patience and the leadership sacks him , then between bringing him in mid seasons the eth extension it all just means we're doomed as a club. Glazers refuse to leave and fans , myself included, can't stop watching.
This is where I’m at. I can accept all of this if they have conviction in their decision to hire him and will back him. If they sack him then it looks like another Hail Mary that was doomed to fail due to his tactical beliefs. In that scenario we’re screwed because it shows that very little consideration is being made over big decisions.
I had questions over all those signings. Mazraoui wasn’t a concern as he was cheap, but there were red flags with all of them. At least Dorgu looks a good find so far.
And for what it’s worth, statistically we were the 14th best team least season, playing under a coach who built the team and was “playing to its strengths”. Right now we’re 15th when trying to implement a new system with rock bottom morale. So we’re about where we probably should be if you look at it that way. I too thought we were capable of better than we showed under ETH, but I’ve realised he’s simply signed a load of duds for a tonne of cash.
Thanks!
Given our tight finances, I'll believe it when I see it. The article reads like a puff piece to me so I'm a bit skeptical.
He needs to find a way to get rid of Onana.
Onana is a liability now.
Onana is a liability now.
Yeah it’s definitely a bit of a puff piece but all the signs are that the club is looking to dismantle and rebuild the squad. It’s going to have to be done on a budget and will take some time but it’s a more realistic assessment of what is required.
If they don’t back up their words then it’ll end badly for them. I’m just going to hope it’s true because we need it. If we genuinely plan on challenging for the title in 3 years then the work has to start now, we can’t afford to do little or nothing. If anything this season should be a warning that we’re capable of being relegated with injuries to certain players.
No problem. I read it and assumed it would have been posted here but maybe not. Probably too positive a piece for the Caf!
Ten Hag also had half the squad injured last year. Came 8th and won the FA Cup beating City and Liverpool. Doesn't sound like relegation level.
I think so too, but unfortunately I think the minority ownership situation is going to hamstring us because any incremental investment from INEOS will rely on the Glazers also investing or agreeing to a dilution.
Even when he had the players last season we were atrocious. I feel like you’re rewriting history here, do you honestly not remember how bad we were? At least we haven’t been smashed by anyone yet like we were under him. I never said relegation level either, we were 14th best and that’s near enough where we are now. Except Ten Hag bought this squad, didn’t ever play a back 3/5 which is apparently the issue now, and he played the Hail Mary football that suits the likes of Rashford, Garnacho and Bruno. We got away with murder nearly every game last season as we were so open, conceding 20+ shots, struggling against championship sides.
We were 14th in the league with a fully fit squad this season under Ten Hag, and on our way out in the fecking Europa League, which was redesigned to make it near enough impossible to not qualify. And you think Amorim is the problem? You must have suppressed these memories due to how bad it was even then under the coach who built this squad.
And if beating City and Liverpool is the barometer, Amorim is looking good. He emphatically beat City with bloody Sporting Lisbon. Whilst Ten Hag could barely get a win vs the top 8/9 last season.
I had hoped he’d come in and elevate a few of our players, but I honestly don’t think he’s improved anyone. And yes, that includes Amad—because I firmly believe Amad would have been just as good if given the same opportunities under Ten Hag.
Not disagreeing with you there but was Onana a £ 43 million improvement over De Gea or would we have done better keeping DDG and spending that money elsewhere?
I said ages ago we should have picked up Tielemans on a free and Ross Barkley and got ridiculed on the CAFE, it’s time we stopped living in the clouds and look to pick up 3 or 4 free transfers plus sign 4 or 5 experienced Pl players from other PL teams in key positions, the squad genuinely needs 12 or 13 leaving and 8 or 9 coming in, it has to be that radical if we are going to support Ruben otherwise we might as well get rid of him and appoint a PL proven coach like Oliver Glasner, Raiola or Thomas Frank, they would all jump at the job, irrespective of of what’s printed in the press?
Rashford being sent to another PL team beggars belief?
Only players like Ederson from Atlanta or Osimhen/Gykores should be signed from outside the PL this summer.
Twenty Six PL games in and the ratings for our signings are as follows;
L Yoro - C+ (Needs to do much more to prove he was worth the huge outlay)
J Zirkzee - C- ( Looks a nice footballer but he can’t adapt to the pace of the Pl and what good is a striker that can’t score!)
N Nazraoui - B- (Decent player, but was not what we expected as an offensive right back, AWB has more goals and assists but at least we paid a decent fee and he’s on reasonable wages
M Ugarte- B (Agsin looks fine but high fee/ Average wages paid)
MDL - D (Average player with a big fee and very high wages - £50m 5 year contract who gave him that ?) definitely not what we needed
Then we let 2 attacking players go out on loan in January to join Sancho without a replacement, I’d say INEOS have been pretty awful in the transfer market so far?
I don't think there's any alternative other than giving him until the season.
However, when we start next season out with no European football and some new Amorim signings. We need to see a big improvement in performance + this system working as it should in the first 5 games. Otherwise he's in big trouble.
However, when we start next season out with no European football and some new Amorim signings. We need to see a big improvement in performance + this system working as it should in the first 5 games. Otherwise he's in big trouble.
We have been starting games as if we lost already. Incredible
He will be gone in the summer. He hasn't shown anything that says he is a top manager and we should trust him.
Even his press conferences are bad, I can't see how it helps the team saying in public that this is the worst Man Utd ever, and that Moyes is a better manager than he is. He can be frank and honest when he is talking to his players in private. But his main job is to help the team perform better, and part of that is good psychology, I don't believe that his way is helpful at all ... look at this forum, many people believe that ALL our players are trash and should be replaced, how is this going to help them perform better?
It would be a mistake to spend money in the summer for this 3-4-3 system. I don't think the next manager will be playing 3-4-3, and again we'll need a new squad.
Even his press conferences are bad, I can't see how it helps the team saying in public that this is the worst Man Utd ever, and that Moyes is a better manager than he is. He can be frank and honest when he is talking to his players in private. But his main job is to help the team perform better, and part of that is good psychology, I don't believe that his way is helpful at all ... look at this forum, many people believe that ALL our players are trash and should be replaced, how is this going to help them perform better?
It would be a mistake to spend money in the summer for this 3-4-3 system. I don't think the next manager will be playing 3-4-3, and again we'll need a new squad.