Considering we look worse the more training we have, I can't wait to see us after preseason
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Two or three players can make all the difference in a team. Look at City without Rodri, Arsenal without Saka, take Palmer out of Chelsea. More than anything, the club and Amorim have to recruit well in summer. That will define what happens in the following season. Ole and EtH blew crazy amount of money on Maguire, Antony, VDB, Casemiro etc. Ineos and Amorim have to get it right next season and they have made a good start with Dorgu.
The regular patterns under Amorim is showing how far out of his depth he is. The constant first half performances, the constant lack of goal threat, the pick up in performances in most second half’s (shows the players do have ability when allowed), they all indicate the manager is more to blame than the players.
We are mid table or better but since he’s tried this poor formation it’s gone backwards.
He needs to go and we would improve - I’m sure of it.
We are mid table or better but since he’s tried this poor formation it’s gone backwards.
He needs to go and we would improve - I’m sure of it.
Only if Amorim abandons his man to man system when the opposition has the ball, we are forced to play 5221 because of this crazy idea, you play man to man when you have 11 athletes like Dorgu or Ugarte, not when you have Casemiro, Maguire and MDL this is Rookie Error 101 and Amorim is showing that he’s definitely not learning in that area alone which is why we concede 1.7 PL goals per game while he’s been in charge!
You’re right but most of Cafe don’t think so?
He cannot keep setting the midfield up wrong. The first 70 mins today are on him; when you're playing three at the back, two of whom can't progress the ball, then do not also play Casemiro.
I like the guy but patience is wearing thin, when you can see that the players are better than his system.
I like the guy but patience is wearing thin, when you can see that the players are better than his system.
We need 7 starting players to be a top 6/8 team;
A new GK, Young Athletic CB, Creative Midfielder, two New Wing backs, a new left 10 and an experienced number 9.
Threre is virtually no chance that he will be fired without being given atleast 1H of the next season. The club can't afford to fire him. We need to recruit players that are not some formation specailists, but rather very good footballers. I think everyone can agree that we need a striker, midfielder and a right back. We need to recruit in those positions regardless of the system.
Sack the manager - get a new one - get excited - get upset - get angry - blame the manager - sack the manager - Rinse and repeat.
We literally are becoming Tottenham before our very eyes.
We all literally begged and pleaded to get Amorim in. He’s come in mid-season without and changed literally everything, there are going to be problems.
But fans are fickle and have the patience of a fish.
If we play well next season, are you going to stop moaning?
No goalkeeper would've succeeed here after David De Gea because of our terrible defence and the fact that so many of our fans refuse to accept that it was the right decision to get rid of De Gea and refused to accept any replacement.
It certainly is pretty disheartening isn't it. Borderline funny how many were so vocal about accepting the lows yet when the lows are coming, it is too much to take because apparently as Manchester United the manager must be at fault when after 10 years of bad decisions push comes to shove.
Maybe a big purge is going to happen in the fanbase. People fecking off since the club isn't doing much anymore to service their egos.
Yeah it’s crazy we are starting Casemiro in midfield when we have four fit, powerful, pacy, world class centre midfielders sitting on the bench and another five not even making the match day squad.
I’ve no idea what this word salad is attempting to say, but a goalkeeper can succeed here just fine. We just chose a relatively poor replacement for De Gea, whose time was undoubtedly over at United.
Do you do anything other than lecture fans with different opinions? Tiresome
Was Collyer available today? If he was fit would have wanted him in there purely for the mobility.
I don't agree. Just three high quality recruits in each area of the pitch will have us competing for top 8. Confidence plays a key role, and what you're seeing is below par for most of the team.
We need to improve the spine. For example, defensive we aren't that bad and have conceded 37 goals in the league thus far - a number that isn't far off the average for the top 10 teams in the league. Our attack is so impotent though that it allows the opposition to squeeze up and create a lot of issues, having two great attackers completely changes that.
I bloody hope so. The constant moaning and whinging about the manager is incredibly tedious.
Oh nice, we're right back to the "people who question the manager aren't real fans" rhetoric.
Even with a mix of ill -equipped players to implement Amorim’s style, you’d at least expect to see the odd good performance through sheer tenacity and grit. If Amorim can’t get a tune out at all from this team, I’d be pretty sceptical things will change next season. We look progressively worse without any promise things will turn.
We've had shit first half performances long before Amorim. We have no decent striker and we're counting on a 20 year old as our best attacker because our other 22 year old best attacker is out for the season. The pick up in the second half happens because teams tend to sit back and not press us as much and that gives the team more time to build attacks. The manager has a formation and style of play. Give him the players that fit his system then judge him. No manager is going anywhere good with the likes of Onana, Maguire, Rasmus, Casemiro starting games.
He's basically risk adverse, in part because half the time he knows it'll come straight back at him, and TBH the rest of the time our players are so static it would be suicide to attempt to pass to them
As I said earlier we could of signed Allison, Ederson, or Diogo Costa are they would be getting treated the same way Onana is.
So which manage in the entire world are you lot going to give enough time to get all of his players in? Because the next manager will come in, we'll still be shit , people complain and moan about how we need to move on......there isn't a manager around who we can bring in all of 'his' players within one transfer window with shape the Glazers have put us in.
So you think he forgot everything the old coach worked on with him? Or you think the new coaches are teaching him to make mistakes? He’s the same keeper he has always been, will make good saves but also blunders (not made any big ones for a while) and he’s actually quite average for a “ball playing GK”.
Injured.
The new guy in summer will get some months time as well, yeah
Clubs rarely if ever drop from 4th-5th (average United league position for a number of years) to 15th within two years because of "accumulated bad decisions."
Oh no, lets not add stuff to make it confrontational. Question the manager as much as you want, I do too. But wanting him to be sacked, talk about others will get more out of this squad - we had all that already. Thats not questioning, thats judging and iirc you are pretty deep into Uniteds finances, we can't just waste more and more money to get rid of managers because they fail to do the impossible - fixing the bike while riding it in a race where losing is deemed borderline unthinkable.
He can, but how can you even judge him until the players perform basic tasks well? We’re not even getting to see what he’s capable of because he’s been dealt such a poor hand. Once I feel that the team is of a decent level then I’ll judge him. But these players have cost ETH (he’s very much to blame for recruitment) and may cost Amorim. Perhaps they are to blame?
Besides, I’ve seen Amorims Sporting team and I know that he can have a team looking miles better than this. I saw his team destroy City, and he’s beat Arsenal previous too. I want him to get a fair shot is all.
The table doesn't lie, the players have given up to the point they only perform when their integrity is questioned.
No manager has ever been absolved of blame, but it is so obvious that the players are not performing how they should be performing.
The standard has dropped to an all time low, there's no doubting that but when you see the manner in which we conceded the two goals today, you can see why.
The manager bounce is superficial and never lasts long term. I'd rather have a rut now and find the form next season, providing it lasts.
Of course, and I don't think we should sack him and agree he's inherited a complete mess. Just think the moralizing that goes on around here is annoying and counterproductive.
the irony
You also come on every week and lecture those who question the fans when they go overboard
tiresome
The performances weren't anything indicating we move into the right direction. That accounts for the whole Ole reign as well as ETHs first season. Throughout those times, we wasted money on sacking managers and buying overpriced players always telling ourselves we only have to stumble upon the one perfect combination of manager and players to finally compete again. Yet teams like Brighton deal with changing managers and losing key players pretty well. As if there is more to the task than simple lucking out.
Just like with ETH, I am not defending those guys, Amorim may not be the one to take us forward. But the course we are on seems absolutely clueless. And we are paying a hefty price for it.
He looks like a broken man without ideas.
We have some injuries and Amorim didn't buy these players but imagine fielding: Onana, Maguire, De Ligt, Casemiro, Zirkzee and Höjlund. Some of slowest players in the PL in the same team. It is beyond comical.
Brighton have a structure in place and don't have the same pressure as the top clubs. If they sell Baleba in the summer they already have a plan how to handle that. They have outstanding scouts.
Do you not think it should be the managers job to motivate a United squad to finish higher up the table though? Fans aren't expecting the impossible they're expecting an improvement on 15th on the table. The squad isn't great but it's not a relegation battling side either, and mission impossible to expect more points on the board and improvement after 3 months. He's not going to have a Pep Guardiola side next season either, part of the job will still be to get the best out of a below par bunch.
Expressing an opinion is lecturing? Nice.