Garnacho might be "our best attacker" but he's hardly a player that is objective really good. No doubt, I'd try to figure out a way to play him instead of Hojlund and JZ but lets not act as if our attack suddenly becomes so scary that teams would start to worry about it. Btw: I have no issue getting rid of Dalot from the lineup. But this is also not magically making the system work. Lets face it - those players aren't turning wonderful because of a slight change in numbers. Thats fantasy land stuff. Garnacho looks as if he'd need the same setup as Rashford to flourish, so balls in behind. That would boost Brunos individual numbers as well, but the whole rest of the team isn't suited to that. And given the lacklustre workrate and intensity, there simply isn't a system out there that will balance out these issues.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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The more I look at the squad, the more it needs fixing. There's players in every single position who need to be moved on, and then replaced, before we even look at squad options. Based on today, the keeper needs replacing, the entire back three need replacing, Dalot needs replacing, Casemiro needs replacing, as do Hojlund and Zirkzee. Then, you need to look at bench options. There's 8 players there for just the starting line-up, plus back up and rotational options when you consider injuries, form, changing things up, etc.
There's too much to do. I don't think this is even with his formation in mind. I'm thinking that this is what we need to turn into a modern, functional footballing side. The more times goes on, the more I think we're closer to seeing Ruben walking than ever seeing his vision realised. We've wasted too long targeting the wrong profile of player and have a real hodge-podge of a squad. We've got defenders who are not mobile and make poor individual mistakes, a goalkeeper that consistently kicks possession back to the other side and parries the ball back into danger, an attack that can't create, can't move, and can't score, and players in-between who can't pass.
It's going to take us multiple transfer windows (BIG windows) to transform this side. This next window is a huge indication of how the next decade is going to go.
There's too much to do. I don't think this is even with his formation in mind. I'm thinking that this is what we need to turn into a modern, functional footballing side. The more times goes on, the more I think we're closer to seeing Ruben walking than ever seeing his vision realised. We've wasted too long targeting the wrong profile of player and have a real hodge-podge of a squad. We've got defenders who are not mobile and make poor individual mistakes, a goalkeeper that consistently kicks possession back to the other side and parries the ball back into danger, an attack that can't create, can't move, and can't score, and players in-between who can't pass.
It's going to take us multiple transfer windows (BIG windows) to transform this side. This next window is a huge indication of how the next decade is going to go.
He says “we know we have to get through this season somehow” as if he will magically transform us over the summer.
What happened to “at United you have to try to win every game”. Has he already lost that belief?
What happened to “at United you have to try to win every game”. Has he already lost that belief?
The end of the season can’t come soon enough for him.
There’s a reason why he didn’t want to take over this sinking ship mid-season. It’s unsalvageable.
We literally just need to crawl to the finish line and see what he can do with a summer with the team under his belt.
There’s a reason why he didn’t want to take over this sinking ship mid-season. It’s unsalvageable.
We literally just need to crawl to the finish line and see what he can do with a summer with the team under his belt.
No improvement from the last game, two flash moments saved his bacon there. The Garnacho sub was good and sure we looked better in the last 10 plus stoppage but the game was completely all over the place by then and Everton were a bit rattled. In reality they could’ve been 4/5 up before the free-kick and the pen was a 50/50. Not many United managers get the luxury of a write off league campaign but he’s got one, next season it’s time to repay the faith. Personally I just don’t see it working out.
Ugarte saved his ass today. A loss would have had the vultures circling. He needs to realise that Casemiro cannot be trusted to play for us anymore and Rasmus is not at the required level. Start Zirkzee as the striker and have Garnacho behind him. Might be time to try Maz as the other 10. Bruno is a huge tactical headache as well. He can't play as a 2 in midfield and he doesn't have the legs to cover the ground as a 10. His best position is what he was doing at the end of the match, the quarter back but that position is only available when the opposition sits back and doesn't press. Even in his best positon he gave the ball away dangerously twice and almost cost us. So many of these substandard players need to be replaced. This summer window is the most important one post Fergie.
3 4 3 isn't some alien formation that these players have never seen before or for some even played before. You can't tell me Ugarte is incapable of taking what the manager is saying onboard and he's just as lost as everyone else. The manager's job is to motivate the players and implement + communicate his tactical vision on the players. He is failing at both, that is on the manager. If the players have lost confidence in him whether due to his man management or the way he is setting them up, then like in any other club whether big or small you move the manager on. This would happen whether he was at Derby County or Real Madrid.
I also thought that just looking at him during the game. Looks completely deflated with what he is watching......similar to how we as fans feel I'd imagine.
How can you say he’s regressed? Look at some of the stuff he was doing under ETH. He’s not hit the same lows and I think he’s been about the same level of his normal displays. Makes some good saves, shaky with his distribution at times, sometimes makes mistakes like not pushing the ball away when saving etc. I think you’re just looking for something that’s not there.
He pretty much said that for previous question. This answer is for a different question which was how can you make the team better, or similar to that, if I remember that.
He shouldn't be so fooled about looking good in training and being confused why it ain't transferring to games
they play each other in training, no wonder they're looking good.
they play each other in training, no wonder they're looking good.
Ugarte did it in the Portuguese league in that system, but I think he’s been found out by the physicality and pace of the league, plus having less time on the ball. That’s not an Amorim issue. He wasn’t even playing under ETH and has looked better under Amorim, but still not good enough in my opinion.
It's probably just based on hope more than anything else.
the players lose faith in every manager. At some point you have to accept that the players just aren’t up to it.
“Probing” and confident showings isn’t indicative of quality though. At all. That’s more a mentality issue you’re describing.
We lack technicality all over the pitch. We also lack athleticism mostly everywhere. We don’t have any players who are efficient in the final third with anything they do decision making wise, especially with Amad out. We don’t have a single quality goalscorer in the entire squad. Our main attacking threat now is a 20 year old that prefers doing a Ronaldo impression over playing with his team, and misses more big chances than anyone in the league. We lack a single midfielder that can progress the ball from deeper areas if we don’t stick our ageing star 10 back there. Our Keeper is good for a game losing mistake once a month.
These are quality issues that are apparent no matter who is on the touchline. Whether or not Amorim is worth a feck as a manager is up for debate, but saying it’s not a quality thing because we played some nice stuff at times against City (who are sneakily very easy to play against this year) and Liverpool is nuts.
Yes, a summer of signing some capable players will definitely help him.
What are you on about? Garnacho was starting until he became a problem in that he was too greedy and ignoring better options, whilst wasting chances. Do you not think he might deserve a game on the bench? Our should we just do what we always have (see Rashford) and keep playing them when they’re letting us down? Dorgu looked miles better today linking with Bruno, Garnacho ignored him constantly last time and when he came on today. You can’t just forgo all tactical responsibilities because you might eventually score a solo goal within the next 5 games.
His form really picked up at the start of the season under ETH and he saved us a good few points with some really crucial saves in matches we should've lost but since Amorim came in and replaced the goalkeeping coach the mistakes have crept back in.
A point actually is a decent result given the circumstances.
At least we know the players haven't downed tools yet.
At least we know the players haven't downed tools yet.
Not being able to play consistently well for 90 minutes and not being able to deliver from match to match is a quality problem. That they have quality and are able to show it in small doses is unquestionable.
The players probably need to work on their mentality. They need to stop whining and have more respect for Amorim. There should be no doubt that he gives everything he has. It costs and you can see that.
He's got away with that performance today. He's certainly not cut out for this job if he only has one tactic up his sleeve. I don't know another manager that would have stuck with a 343 with these players. But, outside of the 2 goals we scored, they both came from set pieces, rather than open play. We are such a poor team going forward and way worse than under ETH. He can't keep on with this, but we have too because we can't afford to sack him, and he hasn't show he has the managerial know how to adapt to the players available.
I don't see a future for us under him at all.
I don't see a future for us under him at all.
What I see is a man who is contemplating his life choices 
These players? Was Zirkzee, Yoro, de Ligt, Mazraoui here last season? Was Garnacho, Casemiro, Onana here when Ole failed? Was Bruno, Maguire here when Jose failed? Was Dalot here when Moyes failed? What are the mythical "these players" who constantly lose faith in every manager that we have had? Because we've gotten rid of a lot of "Viruses" and "deadwood" yet it still happens.
As said in another thread, what we are experiencing is no different to any other club that doesn't have a world class/legendary manager. Players never gave up on Sir Alex despite him running through loads of different squads, of which some of those very same players like Rio, Beckham, Stam etc have lost faith in managers at other clubs. The reason players didn't lose faith in Sir Alex was because he was a legendary man manager. When the manager runs his course or proves himself not good enough the players will lose faith in him. Happens at Scunthorpe, happens at Real Madrid. These players are not great, but they are not as bad as they are looking under Amorim.
I'm still pretty unconvinced. The last 20 minutes was a lot better but some of the fundamentals that we're getting badly wrong aren't a good sign. Say what you want about the group he's inherited but a coach has to improve the players he is given first and foremost.
What I see is a man who is contemplating his life choices
Contemplating and regretting
We were hearing how they’re amazing in training under ETH as well. It’s baffling, I don’t think either manager is poor enough to be asking for such low effort and concentration
Dorgu is instantly our best fullback and one of the good players, so I trust Amorim for the summer window.
If Ugarte can be found out in this league why can't Amorim?
Which players have lost faith in which managers, specifically?
We don't operate that way anymore. Head coaches aren't scouts.
We have consistently signed below standard players. We move on poor signings and replace them with more poor signings. That is by far the biggest issue.
There are a different set of players. Majority of them were bought in the last 3 years. Four of them who started were purchases this summer or in January.
Don't think Casemiro would have played if Mainoo or Colyer were fit, needs must at the moment unfortunately.
Im struggling to remember the last time this happened. It's been an issue for years and years in the PL. Normally we have a good window in a game of 30mins, normally in the 2nd half. Even with Ole we would often go a goal behind before we'd start playing well. We've not had the match craft or skillset to control a game since arguably the Jose years.
I thought when Ten Hag got £600m to buy virtually a new squad and then proceeded to still fail horribly it would put this ''these players'' shite to bed once and for all. But it seems too ingrained in a large part of the fanbase, some will never learn it seems.
It can be a case of both. We’ve spent 600m and got worse.
No he hasnt, thats a complete lie
We have gotten worse, but that's not the point he was addressing