Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Permanently would be nice
Bit harsh. He’s been left with garbage players. A sulking Rashford who thinks he deserves to start every week despite being awful. A couple of over aged midfielders. Strikers who can’t finish their dinner. Injury prone players. A keeper that can’t handle corners and makes mistake time after time.
He hasnt said he wanted new signings. And no one coach can get the best of his team without signing players who suit his system. Such a dumb viewpoint.
It looks like he doesn't have the athleticism that's required. Also, we played a 3 in midfield yesterday after Bruno went off so can't use that to judge anything really.
Just parroting the same things in threads across the forum. I’m tired Robbie.
Ugarte and Mazraoui were outs at PSG and Bayern not because they are bad or average players. The former just didn't fit the PSG system and the latter had issues with the club hierarchy.
Even then it rarely happens within a month when you barely have any opportunity to train properly. During the season teams mainly manage fitness during training sessions, they can't do lengthy tactically or strenght and conditioning sessions, that's summer work.
Ugarte was average, it was definitely the quality of his performances that eventually cost him his place.
Ruben Amorim is increasingly looking like another mistake. A good coach must get a tune out of the existing players while awaiting additional signings to consolidate the team. Amorim seems out of his depth already, he's proving the Portuguese league is way way below the EPL standards. Accepted, the squad is not the best quality however he seems to have suddenly made them poorer. The whole should always be more than the sum of parts, not less. Never less. I personally have issues with the 3-4-3 formation, I don't believe it would work in the EPL however wolves' new coach deployed it to perfection yesterday so a lot of fingers should now be pointed at Ruben Amorim. If he's lucky, he'll get some money to spend in January and bring in HIS players but if results don't improve immediately, I'll only hope Sir Jim Ratcliffe negotiated a low payoff into Amorim's contract. For me, we need a coach with EPL experience; Silva, Iraola, Emery or Frank for a start. Worried.
That is half true but it is also fair to say that he was a poor fit for the system at PSG which can happen with the best of players and is neither down to a failure of the player or of the coaching staff. Both Ugarte and PSG recognized this and parted company amicably after one season. His performances were excellent for Sporting and in the same system under the same coach there is no reason he won't perform at a high level here because the fit between the tactical setup and his best attributes is strong.
Is the grass in Carrington so special, that players can't be trained on tactic at other country's grass?
Think pre-season tours are fine if the players do actually get fit, a number of pundits are very fairly saying about our lack of stamina. It is alright saying these games are to build up fitness, if that ends up the case. You seem to get a lot of games where one team is taking it seriously and it isn't ours.
Agreed. INEOS have done what the Glazers did since SAF retired. Switch from one style to another with no overarching plan. Madness. It's fine to expect to change things up but to go from 0 to 100 in difference is silly.
The reason he wasn't a good fit for the system is the same reason he wouldn't be a good fit for nearly all top teams, he is a liability in transition against any decent team and his defensive positioning is often suspect. He has a very good engine and can definitely tackle with the best of them but he doesn't defend through positioning, he doesn't deter most moves or passes, in possession he isn't going to help you effectively beat the press or distribute the ball around a well positioned team. For all intent and purposes today, he is the 2024 version of Mamadou Diarra, now he is young enough to maybe develop into something better but today he is bang average.
Agreed. The world tour has been happening as far back as I can remember. We didn't suffer because of this under SAF. Now managers, players, and fans using this as an excuse of disastrous follow=up season. United aren't the only club doing world tour.
The tools can't be downed when they weren’t skillful enough to operate them in the first place.
I apologize for not agreeing with you entirely, it won't happen again.
It's not the grass that is special, it's the number of media events the players and managers are expected to do while on tour.
They aren't just there for a few games. They are there to shake hands with sponsors, offer photo ops, meet with fans, do stuff for MUTV etc.
Didn't we just go to one country under Fergie? Our tours seem to be a lot more intense now with more focus on commercial activity.
Are they really that different? Wing backs is the main difference. Amorim himself constantly plays down the formation questions because they are nonsense. Ten hags team were actually quite good pressers at different times in his tenure. Ten hag moved to try to play more in transition in the middle of his time here. A structure should prevent something like that happening.
And I apologize for thinking that we were exchanging opinions amicably. It won't happen again.
We were, I believe my tongue in cheek admission to being schooled was lost in the sterility of a typed message.
My bad, I misinterpreted your answer.
Yes. We were playing basketball under ETH and now we're playing possession football.
I still have faith in him, but at the end of the day, it's not about us, he needs to get the players to believe in him and his methods, because unfortunately I don't think he'll get the financial backing to turn things around.
It's a very difficult job, and I have no idea how he can fix this with the current group.
It's a very difficult job, and I have no idea how he can fix this with the current group.
We need so many players.
- Eriksen - Gone in the summer
- Casemiro - Gone in the summer, if not the winter
- Rashford - Same as above
- Evans - Gone in the summer
- Antony - Gone in the summer if any takers
- Lindelof - Gone in the summer
- Malacia
- Shaw
- Mount
- Maguire
- Garnacho
- Zirkzee
Martinez has had the same issues in a back four two. The issues with him are his lack of height, physicallity & lack of pace. It has little do with the system. Infact, the system should ideally help him because it can cover some of those limitations better than a back four.
So, you want us to play a 433 just to accomodate Mainoo? What happens to Bruno? Who plays #8 when Mainoo plays as the most advanced midfielder?
Amad had played mainly as a RW, even though on paper he was at RWB, until the form/actions of Garnacho & Rashford ans Mount's injury forced him to play as one of the attacking three.
I don't think the formation that forced Garnacho out, it was his selfishness & lack of ball skills that have forced him out.
I think we as a team aren't doing the basics right & the system is taking the brunt.
You are right. That's why I said we need to see a massive improvement in performances. By the end of the season it should look like we are moving in the right direction & Amo deserves investment. Otherwise, he gets the marching orders & we try someone else. I like him very much but he has to show that he can walk the talk.
I still think that Amorim needs time. He has inherited some donkeys from the previous regime. I'm still not sold on 3-4-3 but I'm willing to reserve judgement. We are obviously low on confidence. I really have written off this season but I really don't think we will get relegated.
He knew it would probably be a shit show and wanted to start in the summer where he could implement his ideas over pre season but was told it’s now or never so here we are with a squad full of overpaid underperforming players struggling.
It took him about 3 weeks to realise the likes of Rashford can’t be relied on and I bet there’s a host of more players he would also love to dump but he’s not got that option at the minute
We need patience for the first time in forever we are finally starting to rip this squad apart and implement a real idea of how we want to play.
It took him about 3 weeks to realise the likes of Rashford can’t be relied on and I bet there’s a host of more players he would also love to dump but he’s not got that option at the minute
We need patience for the first time in forever we are finally starting to rip this squad apart and implement a real idea of how we want to play.
Some of the teams who have had a resurgence or a big rebuild have benefited from having no European competitions to clog up the schedule.
United went out the League Cup last week and will probably get booted out of the FA Cup by Arsenal.
Might be a blessing to get down to 2 competitions rather than playing more and more games by going deeper into all 4 competitions.
United went out the League Cup last week and will probably get booted out of the FA Cup by Arsenal.
Might be a blessing to get down to 2 competitions rather than playing more and more games by going deeper into all 4 competitions.
This is almost as funny as the posters who are questioning him after 2 months at the club. I’d imagine those posters have probably never been to OT in their life but a diehard keyboard warrior
i mean this is a bit of a heavy and somber take of something so clearly daft? Think the idiots questioning him already are on a totally different planet.
What kind of a nonsensical post is this? Are you a WUM? Mate just chill.
"You can argue that I have been here one month and I’ve had four training (sessions), but we are not winning. That is the reality and I’m quite comfortable with that."
Context. 4 training sessions with them. FOUR
Context. 4 training sessions with them. FOUR
All these weird opinions of needing a PL proven manager, as if it’s a proven thing to get teams to win the league, and then offer up names of blokes with so little big club experience.
At this point I honestly couldn't care if we finish 14th or 8th. Aslong as we don't get relegated I'd rather him just stick to his ideas and not waver from his system and then in the summer see what we can do in the market.
The issue is here is that we are in a relegation battle so it would make sense to get someone in like Dyche or Allardyce to keep us up.