Let's hope you're right, but we've sen these players just refusing to put effort, lets see after next inevitable 3 losses
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Let's hope you're right, but we've sen these players just refusing to put effort, lets see after next inevitable 3 losses
My first post guys so go easy on me
Just want to start off saying I’m 100% behind Amorim and respect that he’s come in at the worst possible time but has the right heart and commitment to his system and knows we will be better off for it in the long run. We just need to ride out this storm (probably worse of a storm than anticipated but he was right! It was coming!)
I really believe that INEOS made a massive error keeping ETH but I’m sick of hearing that we should have kept RVN until the summer!! Amorim was highly highly in demand!! I think INEOS knew he would be snapped up by someone else and had to pounce now!!!! That’s the sole reason he’s come in at this point and I think it was the right choice. let’s hope they stick with it as if they change the manager AGAIN (especially one who hasn’t yet had the opportunity to do a clear out or bring in any players yet), I will be done!!
Forget the media articles/opposing supporters etc!! We are the money making clickbait team of the Premier League!! Without us, what else would they write about/get their engagement! Chelsea, Arsenal etc were allowed to cook without the glaring eyes of the World following their every move!! Even Klopp at Liverpool went much more under the radar!! We are a juggernaut which is why there is this hysteria.
I’d rather support him than any of the shower we call players any day!! Why should we support them!!
Let’s keep calm, accept that these setbacks are part of the process and I will see you all back here this time next season and we can see if I’m right
Just want to start off saying I’m 100% behind Amorim and respect that he’s come in at the worst possible time but has the right heart and commitment to his system and knows we will be better off for it in the long run. We just need to ride out this storm (probably worse of a storm than anticipated but he was right! It was coming!)
I really believe that INEOS made a massive error keeping ETH but I’m sick of hearing that we should have kept RVN until the summer!! Amorim was highly highly in demand!! I think INEOS knew he would be snapped up by someone else and had to pounce now!!!! That’s the sole reason he’s come in at this point and I think it was the right choice. let’s hope they stick with it as if they change the manager AGAIN (especially one who hasn’t yet had the opportunity to do a clear out or bring in any players yet), I will be done!!
Forget the media articles/opposing supporters etc!! We are the money making clickbait team of the Premier League!! Without us, what else would they write about/get their engagement! Chelsea, Arsenal etc were allowed to cook without the glaring eyes of the World following their every move!! Even Klopp at Liverpool went much more under the radar!! We are a juggernaut which is why there is this hysteria.
I’d rather support him than any of the shower we call players any day!! Why should we support them!!
Let’s keep calm, accept that these setbacks are part of the process and I will see you all back here this time next season and we can see if I’m right
I have all faith in him.
we have some needs obviously.
In priority
A new goalkeper ( we cant keep giving away stupid goals with errors from Onana)
A forward who can score
A new left sided defender ( I'd use our buy back clause for Alvaro)
A midfielder to complement Ugarte ( Ederson from Atalanta, Wharton from CP or Zubimendi from Sociedad)
we have some needs obviously.
In priority
A new goalkeper ( we cant keep giving away stupid goals with errors from Onana)
A forward who can score
A new left sided defender ( I'd use our buy back clause for Alvaro)
A midfielder to complement Ugarte ( Ederson from Atalanta, Wharton from CP or Zubimendi from Sociedad)
All absolutely spot on from Winter.
It's reassuring to read those who appointed Amorim are looking at the longer term view, and focused on permanently fixing deep rooted issues at the club, rather than wetting the bed and stamping their feet like children after a few losses
Yeah, it seemed O'Neil was hard done by and there was a lot of noise about Wolves beating them during that run. There's less pressure and expectation at Bournemouth and I think that kind of allows someone to come in and the fans will be patient.
At Utd, there's this idea that the players are better, so any coach coming in should be expected to do more in a shorter space of time.
Personally, I'll be taking this period between now and the start of next August as one long pre season. Where Ruben Amorim can implement his ideas, get some new players in and forget about winning cups or getting back into Europe next season. A game a week and more time on the training pitch is what him and the players need.
Back at Sporting by the end of the season.
Some of the reactions on here are fecking mental. Makes you wonder how they get through any difficult period in life
Don't know if it has been posted yet, but there seem to be some new quotes from Amorim. A snippet:
“In this moment we just have to survive and to win some time to work on the team. We already knew it. I started this job, with the team, the new idea, without any time to train, with a lot of tough games. It is a long journey. We have to continue to fight these bad moments. We need time to work. We also have to win games to sell the idea to the players. If not, it is really hard.”
I find the "we also have to win games to sell the idea to the players" bit particularly interesting. Does that signal his openness to a change in formation and tactics?
“In this moment we just have to survive and to win some time to work on the team. We already knew it. I started this job, with the team, the new idea, without any time to train, with a lot of tough games. It is a long journey. We have to continue to fight these bad moments. We need time to work. We also have to win games to sell the idea to the players. If not, it is really hard.”
I find the "we also have to win games to sell the idea to the players" bit particularly interesting. Does that signal his openness to a change in formation and tactics?
People misinterpret costing a lot of money with being a good player. No at times it is just we have been sold a pup.
I hope not. If the 343 is what he really believes in, then go for it.
The problem is how to train the 343 in the shortest time possible, while still not losing 80% of your matches while experimenting. It's a really tough problem, but I guess that's why we paid 11m to release him from his contract.
The creature at Liverpool got to two cup finals in his first season. Amorim will be lucky if he gets two players looking competent in his first season.
How do you "sell the.idea" by changing your systems and trying to scrape cheap wins like we were doing before? The formation and the tactics ARE the idea.
In a quest to read something into it, you have understood nothing.
I hope not too for the medium to long term. But since he is not able to train the team in the formation because of the busy schedule anyway, I wonder if it may be prudent to adopt a slightly pragmatic approach until the end of January or so? Get a few results, not so much to stop the chatter in the media, but to ensure that the confidence of these players does not totally tank.
But then again no formation or tactics will work if our players keep making these quite unbelievable individual mistakes game after game.
Short and sweet, a good post.
Not at all, it feels like he's saying we need to win games in a 3-4-3 formation and then the players will start buying into it.
If we wanted that then we shouldn’t have hired him. Just like hiring Pep, Arteta or anybody else with a strict vision would be a mistake if that’s what you’re looking for. Go for another Moyes or the like who will try to cobble something together with what we have, without ever making steps towards something that is more sustainable and could potentially win titles. In fact, we should have just kept any of Ten Hag, Ruud or Ole.
But then we’d be here saying “I don’t see what the vision is”, “why can’t we control games?” Etc. I’m not saying this will be a success, only time will tell. But for once we’ve hired a coach with a vision who will not abandon his principles. Something I thought we all wanted?
no, we are saying win a few matches and change once we have some new players through the door. How can you play 343/532 without decent cbs and wing backs? Its ludicrus. Half the team will be shipped out anyway, so whats the point in teaching them a new system only to be replaced at the earliest transfer window?
Nothing will change unless there is a mass exodus of current players and a swathe of new players come in. You can change the manager as much as you like, its not going to help in the short term.
You weren't meant to. I was just being an annoying little cnut for my own amusement. I stand amused. Mission accomplished.
I am a little concerned though. The state of the team yesterday was shiite.
Moyes would actually be perfect for anyone wanting immediate results now. He’d probably be able to get us far in Europa League and likely to steer us to a comfortable mid table finish in the league. For anyone prioritizing short term results over long term development, there are very few managers that are better than him in PL.
Very interesting, it seems the management is fully behind Amorim and they support him, case in point, Rashford's exile is all Amorim and the management is with him on it.
Initially, I wanted Amorim to achieve something with this group, like top 6 finish and with every game, it feels like a pipe dream, this group is totally hopeless, I hate to say it but an overhaul is needed here, it should happen slowly though, bit by bit.
Exactly this. I’m surprised at the reaction really when we all knew this was a very distinct possibility.
I had hoped that some of our players were better than they were showing under ETH or that some would find a new lease of life in the new system, but unfortunately that’s not really been the case bar a couple of players. And the players with upside who weren’t looking great under ETH have just not really fit into the system, like Garnacho.
I think the system has helped certain players like some of our CBs, and our midfield looks less stretched and exposed. But our attack looks poor still and obviously there’s issues with set pieces. On top of that, the mental fragility of the players is still there and the inability to break teams down is still there.
We all hoped this wouldn’t happen and that we’d see the same resurgence that Tuchel or Conte got when they took over at Chelsea, but it doesn’t always work like that. I’d draw more parallels to the start Arteta made, if we’re looking for a positive.
That’s what they want now, but weren’t happy with under ETH. But if we hired Moyes then they’d be asking why we’ve not hired an “up and coming coach with a clear vision”. Basically we have a confused fan base that doesn’t know what they want apart from instant gratification. They don’t want any sort of lead in time to success, no hardship or poor players still being poor players. It has to be magically fixed and we have to be better than everybody else immediately.
3 at the back, two number 10s getting in each other's space, wingbacks. All different and requires specialist players.
Hopefully Ratcliffe and co are committed to supporting him. Ashworth was supposed to be with us for the long haul and that didn't last long.
If we end up in a relegation battle it might be difficult for them not to make a change
So you’re allowed to say whatever you want cause it’s your opinion but if I give my opinion it’s sensitive and gate keeping?
Only the trash media (which is a high % of them t.b.h.)… and they don’t count. Clickbait.
Looks worrying that Ineos Team is making major mistakes after mistakes.
1) Keep ETH beyond last season was catastrophic. He finished 8th with no style of play after spending half a billion.
2) Spent another 200m on players to play ETH's style of play only to sack him a few months later
3) Sacked a DOF - Ashworth a few months later too after he disagreed with the approach to appoint Amorim.
4) Appoint a manager - Amorim with a style of play that totally not suited to our current set of players.
5) We need another total rebuild and sign new players to play Amorim's style. Suddenly we now have a squad of deadwood. Deja Vu?
6) Changing a manager mid-season where the style of play is not compatible with the existing squad and restriction on signing players in Jan due to FFP/whatnot is suicidal. In hindsight, the better option was to keep RVN as interim?
7) There is no continuity in football side of things. Who is in charge now since Ashworth is gone as DOF? Berrada? Wilcox? Why are we in this mess again and again?
Hope Amorim can improve the team drastically soon to save the season with the current set of players. I don't think he will get any key signings in Jan window given our financial situation. So far it looks bleak and we still don't have an effective style of play at all.
Having said that, Amorim deserve more time. But he has to do much better than this. At the end of this season, at the minimum we need to have a clear effective style of play that we are building for next season. And he needs to finish higher than 8th. No Man Utd manager should survive finishing 8th.
1) Keep ETH beyond last season was catastrophic. He finished 8th with no style of play after spending half a billion.
2) Spent another 200m on players to play ETH's style of play only to sack him a few months later
3) Sacked a DOF - Ashworth a few months later too after he disagreed with the approach to appoint Amorim.
4) Appoint a manager - Amorim with a style of play that totally not suited to our current set of players.
5) We need another total rebuild and sign new players to play Amorim's style. Suddenly we now have a squad of deadwood. Deja Vu?
6) Changing a manager mid-season where the style of play is not compatible with the existing squad and restriction on signing players in Jan due to FFP/whatnot is suicidal. In hindsight, the better option was to keep RVN as interim?
7) There is no continuity in football side of things. Who is in charge now since Ashworth is gone as DOF? Berrada? Wilcox? Why are we in this mess again and again?
Hope Amorim can improve the team drastically soon to save the season with the current set of players. I don't think he will get any key signings in Jan window given our financial situation. So far it looks bleak and we still don't have an effective style of play at all.
Having said that, Amorim deserve more time. But he has to do much better than this. At the end of this season, at the minimum we need to have a clear effective style of play that we are building for next season. And he needs to finish higher than 8th. No Man Utd manager should survive finishing 8th.
He's already making excuses like Ten Hag. Not enough time on the training pitch, I need new signings etc. A coach has to get the best out of what's available to him first and foremost and he's not doing it so far.
There are lots of different kinds of managers.
Some managers can play with lots of different formations and mindsets.
Some managers are able to take a look at their squad and adapt accordingly.
And some managers can only play a certain way. That's not a problem if they can get the team to perform well, but it might mean that they'll take longer and require some specific types of players.
Amorim is a young manager and he can only play a certain way. His way... and his way has been proven to get results (titles and good football) so far, but it takes time.
If you wanted someone to come in and get the team decent immediately you should have gone for someone else. But would they be as good in the long run?
You are insufferable. Just log off.
He's saying that when the new ideas are implemented and results are good the players will buy into his ideas because it's working essentially helping their confidence.
He has been for while.
Permanently would be nice
Bit harsh. He’s been left with garbage players. A sulking Rashford who thinks he deserves to start every week despite being awful. A couple of over aged midfielders. Strikers who can’t finish their dinner. Injury prone players. A keeper that can’t handle corners and makes mistake time after time.
He hasnt said he wanted new signings. And no one coach can get the best of his team without signing players who suit his system. Such a dumb viewpoint.