Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Onana should be on the list too
I hope that I’ve missed the context or the joke that preceded this
Give it Pulis till end of season.
We have done in the past and we’ve achieved nothing? No league title, knocked out in group stages in Champions league because getting the best out of the players isn’t good enough.
Give the guy a season to get his players in and then we can judge him. There’s no point going in following this cycle where we abandon a style of play just to try and get a top 4 to not win anything.
Its hard but its time to put the emotions away and accept we’re not a top team and our players have failed us to deliver!
Anyone remember Klopp first season at Pool? He did his tactics no matter what and they looked like clowns. After a season he got more and more players who suited his system and then they really looked the real deal. Was he out of his depth?
This is it basically. But people would rather be hysterical.
I’m just trying to fit in around here
I don't think Liverpool were quite as poor in his first season, but as long as we don't get relegated we absolutely need to give him the time
People claim everything looked incredible for Liverpool and even when they lost they seemed to know what they were doing, forgetting there was literally a "Klopp sack watch" thread opened withing 2 months of his arrival.
It's a victim mentality - "I support Manchester United to get dopamine rush when we win and it's unacceptable that we didn't win, don't care how, WIN DAMN IT!"
They were in a better place to be fair, they should have won the league under Rogers, so as much as the team wasn’t great, it had a bit more about it than our current lot.
I heard a pundit yesterday say that the system doesn't suit the players and Bruno can't play in the wide forward role because there's too much responsibility to keep his position and he's better when he has the freedom to go wherever he wants.
So basically he wanted Utd to change back to the old ways because our captain isn't good enough to understand a specific role? If the players aren't good enough for something simple like that what are they doing here?
Does this fish analogy make sense? Because it can also be interpreted that we are putting in sick fish (managers) in the aquarium repeatedly and that is why the problem is not getting solved. Maybe it'll resolve when we add a healthy fish to the aquarium.
The Klopp comparisons are no help. Just let Amorim do his thing. There will be people who think differently and some wumming on here. They can be ignored.
There were quite a few posts on the caf favourably comparing ETH and Klopp and that didn't go well.
He said the coaches are not the problem, the coaches, managers have all been different, is he talking about players. Of course as you said it could be that we just keep picking the wrong managers.
I don't have much to add to this thread but all I'll say is "In Amorim I trust!".
is he? I assumed it was a Glazer dig.
Some highlights of Klopp’s first season;
Lost at home to Palace, famously drew 2-2 with West Brom and did the cringey celebration, drew with Exeter City 2-2, drew with Sunderland
Newcastle, West Ham, Leicester, Swansea all beat them in the league (West Ham also knocked them out of the FA Cup), and they went on to lose the league cup and Europa league finals.
Reads to me that Ronaldo is saying the overall environment at the club is broken/toxic. You can keep putting fresh and new people into that environment and they will struggle without fixing the environment first.
It makes sense because they are in an aquarium. If they were in the sea the fishermen would be trawling them up and then seagulls would be following and then you would be getting this confused with a completely different metaphor.
It is one of those quotes that will be interpreted in a number of ways.
What's the point of this?
Unless you're saying we'll also have the good results they had in that period like getting to the EL final, knocking us out on the way? Or do these comparisons only work in one direction?
Well we just beat City away which was a good result I’m sure you’ll agree. Early days here but the point is obvious.
18 points to the magical 40 to stay in the Premier league. I just don't know where we're getting the points from at this point. Its worrying.
this formation isn't working. if he doesn't recognize that we're fooked.
this formation isn't working. if he doesn't recognize that we're fooked.
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Hope we can get to a European final like Klopp did in his first season, but greatly doubt it.
Making comparisons with Klopp won't be helpful though, either way.
Making comparisons with Klopp won't be helpful though, either way.
You cannot be serious!
Have you been off the grid for two months and just came back?We over fed the fish, the tank is leaking, the water is dirty, we need a bigger tank, the fish are lazy
Don’t feed them so much, keep them hungry, give the tank a renovation with clean water. See which fish swim around and which just lie at the bottom. Let the cat eat them
Don’t feed them so much, keep them hungry, give the tank a renovation with clean water. See which fish swim around and which just lie at the bottom. Let the cat eat them
erm wot?
Is that you Ronnie?
I do see the point that some others are making, which is that if these players are shit and have to be moved on anyway, what's the point of teaching them to play in his system.
But we need to remember that not all of the players that need to go can be easily moved on in one window. It'll take a few windows. A bunch would still be around next season and we'll need them to win some games.
he's obviously saying there's something rotten inside the club. if its not the coaches he's saying its some of the players (could be owners but more likely players)
I missed your joke?You cannot be serious!
Wow that's pretty scything. I'll assume you've watch a lot of him at PSG and Sporting then because based solely on his appearances with us, I certainly wouldn't call him average at all. Unless you mean exclusively in regards to his on-the-ball qualities? I'd agree with the off the ball defensive positioning and approach as he is definitely a moth to a light when it comes to winning the ball; it can be mitigated with certain tactics and team mates but it's also a fundamental flaw that we'll have to see how it pans out under Amorim.
He's obviously not close to a Kroos, Veratti, Pirlo, Scholes but I think he has a decent awareness around him and most importantly good execution when in that pivot position. He has been caught several times, which definitely is due to some technical issues but I'd say it's also down to our horrid passing options and movement in the midfield areas. He's not turning on the ball and opening the pitch like a Pogba, however, most of his passing is where he's positioned to relieved pressure but it's then mostly going to free-r players i.e relatively progressive. He's also shown a good turn of pace and close ball control to carry the ball in limited occasions. Bit of a chicken and egg situation for me. Obviously, even under a better structure I'm not expecting him to be very expansive but as of now, I would say he's above average in quite a few aspects and very good in some.
City are terrible.
Regardless, going there and winning in a derby was big for us, imagine where we'd be if we lost that
Are you from the Caribbean? Your username suggests that you are.
They had lost Sterling, Suarez and Gerrard from the team that went close with Rodgers vs the one Klopp inherited. It was a pretty bad team.
We need to stick with him but it could get worse - probably will get worse - before it gets better.
INEOS failing to move ETH out was a catastrophic mistake that effectively wrecked this season and put us back 18 months or so, because a re-build to support an Amorim model was always going to take 2-3 windows to get the foundations in. I think he has potential to be a really good coach, along with many of the personal qualities needed, and he gets credit from me for the realism in how he's assessed the mess we're in and the realities of turning it around.
And it is a mess. As painful as it will be, we're nowhere near challenging for a top 4 slot, let alone a title run, for several seasons. That's made more difficult to deal with because we're moving into era where the dominance of City / Liverpool is starting to fracture. We're now in the beginning of the end stage for Pep - potentially accelerating from all of the obvious - and i don't think Liverpool are actually that good.
Of course that was always going to happen and there was always going to be a new cycle - what a pity we've spent £1bn+ on a squad that won't be able to take any advantage of this.
INEOS failing to move ETH out was a catastrophic mistake that effectively wrecked this season and put us back 18 months or so, because a re-build to support an Amorim model was always going to take 2-3 windows to get the foundations in. I think he has potential to be a really good coach, along with many of the personal qualities needed, and he gets credit from me for the realism in how he's assessed the mess we're in and the realities of turning it around.
And it is a mess. As painful as it will be, we're nowhere near challenging for a top 4 slot, let alone a title run, for several seasons. That's made more difficult to deal with because we're moving into era where the dominance of City / Liverpool is starting to fracture. We're now in the beginning of the end stage for Pep - potentially accelerating from all of the obvious - and i don't think Liverpool are actually that good.
Of course that was always going to happen and there was always going to be a new cycle - what a pity we've spent £1bn+ on a squad that won't be able to take any advantage of this.
