How do we get out of this slump we are in and start winning again? Obviously sacking Ruben isnt the answer at the moment (its far too soon for that) and we dont really have the money to spend big in January so unless we somehow land some good loan signings im really not sure how we turn this around given the state of our squad at the moment.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Managers should get time to leave their mark. If half way through next season we are doing poorly, then yes questions should be asked. A month in, when we've had a fixture overload, in a period where most new managers to the league struggle in (especially those who took over just before the busy winter period), before he's had any transfer windows... Yeah it's fair to expect some struggles.
Check out how Klopp did with Liverpool in December and January after he took over (a month earlier than Amorim). It's not that surprising. Not that Amorim will turn into Klopp, but it's inevitable that new managers will struggle in this period.
Slightly concerning to see so many people defining a long term project as involving winning almost every game immediately.
Erik ten Hag has given them some serious PTSD that they can’t think straight.
I see improvements on a lot of things we do, however, I can't wrap my head around the set pieces. How are we so bad, and yet, nothing changes? You can't win many games if you concede from almost every third set piece you give away.
It's extremely hard to believe he only has 4 training sessions since he was hired.
But he has another 5 months to improve the squad. I don't think there should be excuse that the players won't understand the tactic, or no improvement on some players.
I mean, you might as well point to their current season instead of one that didn’t happen.
One thing I would want Amorim to start doing is play some academy kids. Like is Amass that bad , why not train him for lwb position. Maybe give Collyer the minutes you are giving Case or Eriksen. Promote that 16 year old CB and give him mins from bench than giving Lindelof any minutes.
In the Jan window he is not going to get many new players, would be lucky if we even sign one. So just use the academy graduates
In the Jan window he is not going to get many new players, would be lucky if we even sign one. So just use the academy graduates
Dysfunctional or not, we are better than most of the team we are losing at the moment. Im genuinely terrified for the club now. I don't think anyone got any clue how to stop this slide yet. Hopefully, he will find his feet quick. This is very very grave.
As I said, I suppose he means sessions where they are not recovering from the past match or prepping for the next, but have time to work on overall patterns of play. Four also seems few to me, but I don't know the details of the schedule and training rhythm, and it anyway couldn't have been more than 10 or so: he's only been at United six or seven weeks, and with a mid-week game every(?) week, there are just very few days left when you're not doing match-related training work.
Someone else can do a proper count, but Amorim anyway might not have meant 'four' literally; it could be just an approximation he used to indicate that it's not been much. And that's true regardless of whether it's been four or six or eight such sessions.
I hope they will get rid of rashford, bruno, lindeloff, shaw, dalot, casemiro and few more useless aholes before they get rid of amorim. I'll consider his reign as a success.
Yes, I agreed that it was somehow misspoken, and it doesn't really matter.
Also I just want to clarify that I'm expecting by the end of 5 months that players should be comfortable with his tactic and role and we see some improvements. With the players we have, we shouldn't be near relegation fight.
I don't see how playing worse players helps really. The academy kids will be the worst starting players in the EPL. Do that and we will end up in a relegation fight.
He has to win some games to get the players behind him, else he won't get the time he needs.
It was so glorious seeing Jimmy lead us back to the promised land! Hopefully Ruben can do the same!
Yeah how anyone can say that he has zero excuses when he’s literally had no preseason and a packed and difficult fixture list is beyond me.
He's finally sorting out the Rashford situation, gets really big credit from me for that. Wouldn't surprise me, if some players drop in form, because they know, if Rashford isn't safe anymore, nobody is.
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Well thanks for the insults.. Sounds about right coming from someone who refuse facts to just throw insults for their lack of understanding..
15/16 season.
Pep wasn't at City then.
He was announced that season and City's form fell off a cliff. Following the announcement, they went on a run of 4W 2D 5L.
Fair enough, I was certain he was manager that season
I'm blaming the matrix. I'm sure he was.They can be implemented during the season but it will be very slow because scheduling means that there isn't actually many full training sessions, most of the sessions are focused on passive recovery and installing gameplans that are within a tactical framework that was set during summer. And no in normal circumstances they are not really practicing new tactics or implementing new tactics during the season, a manager can decide to still do it but it will lead to significant inconsistency which is what we are seeing and what Liverpool or even Arsenal saw under Klopp and Arteta.
To give you a clear example, during preseason you have several hours per day that you can allocate to tactical drills with the entire squad during the season you maybe have 90 minutes per week or every two weeks and it is almost guaranteed that it won't be with the full squad. And those in season sessions do not include much actual field implementations unless you want to destroy your players conditioning.
There are two aspects of conditioning that makes it nearly impossible to switch quickly, the first one is the season planning, players are trained to physically peak at a certain period during the season and this process starts during preseason, the other thing is that the quicker you want the change to happen the more intense the training has to be which is a big source of fatigue, in the short term it leads to worse performances and injuries especially when you have to play competitive games twice a week.
Basically there is no shortcut on these things, you need time for both of these things and time isn't something that you have during the season, unless you really don't care about results.
Go check your 'facts' and come back. Lack of understanding indeed.
Of course I am
The rot had set in long before ETH
Not really. We are the worst team in the league attackingwise when the score is equal. Then we have to start attack since we are losing the games. We are still at like 10th place in xG no matter how you put it. You think a 5-2-3 is what will take us forward?
No offence, but that sounds made up as well. I get that not all is rosy, far from it, and the formation change surely shook up things in addition. Do you think we look worse in the attacking department than we did in ETHs last games?
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Why does he always get asked in his pre match conferences ‘what do you want from the fans’ do the media not watch the games? The fans give everything, every single game even despite us losing. And Amorim acknowledges this.
If real change doesn't come with some pain, it isnt working....there is no where to hide currently and we'll find out how serious the club really is from top down. 60% of the players will never be good enough starters and their wages are too large for them to be benched, they need to go....
That would be beyond idiotic. Not gonna happen. No matter the results.
So if you ignore the parts of the game when we’re trying our hardest to score we have the worst xG in the league. Good one. Here’s another great Amorim stat. If you ignore the parts of the game when the opposition are trying to score no other club has an xGA as low as us. Impressive, eh?
Relentless negativity. I can’t imagine being a “supporter” and talking about the demise of a new manager almost as soon as they arrive. What joy do you get from Manchester United? It doesn’t sound like much.
We finished 2nd and 3rd before ten hag but it wasn’t good enough, he replaced the team with the biggest like of shit I’ve seen
Pay no attention to @Hester_manc posts, been posting hysterical drivel for weeks. Best ignored.
So a specific scenario then. Not worst for xG. Bad all the same.
I don't think any formation takes us forward with the squad that Ten Hag left. I said before the season started that the forwards are nowhere near good enough.
Well since that game Everton have won 4-0 against wolves, 0-0 against Arsenal and Chelsea and 1-1 against City.
Since that game some of the players have barely gotten another chance and our form have dipped.. Why not just play that starting eleven who played good and won the game comfortably? Isn't that on Amorin? Exclude the fluke City game and we have been really really bad
He finished 3rd with a lot of his new players too. The problem is more the system has changed and key cogs like a RWB and LWB are just not there, coupled with the fact that our organization for set pieces has become far worse under Amorim, something he needs to take ownership of.
It was also a daft club decision to go for youthful strikers with potential and not ready made ones.
why do you keep trying to exclude/ignore everything that doesn’t align with your agenda?“If you ignore the goals he’s let in, Onana’s the best keeper on the planet”
At the moment I don't get much pleasure out of watching United. You almost have to be a masochist to be able to find joy in the current form.
But I've been a football fan for so long that I can recognize comments like yours. Fans who think you have to be a certain way and think certain things to be a "true" supporter.
It's so tiring.
Could it really be imagined that there are United fans who do not think exactly like you? Maybe even fans who were never particularly comfortable with the hiring of Amorim from the start and thus perhaps have a shorter patience than yourself? Or is it completely impossible for you to imagine?
I think perhaps Erikson needs to play behind the striker for a few games to try and get some attacking patterns working that others will then be able to learn from.
Also we looked more of a threat with Amad as a wingback.
Also we looked more of a threat with Amad as a wingback.