Your very own Bramble > Zidane moment, Pogue.
Now where did that Caf Awards thread get to...
Now where did that Caf Awards thread get to...
Richard Dunne...
- Thread starter Pogue Mahone
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I like the way he tried to accuse me of having a brain-fart earlier in this thread. This thread is one gigantic Brain-fart on behalf of Pogue.
One of the best 5 defenders in the prem.
That's a poweful jinx you've got Pogue, scary stuff tbh
I like the way he tried to accuse me of having a brain-fart earlier in this thread. This thread is one gigantic Brain-fart on behalf of Pogue.
One of the best 5 defenders in the prem.
This coming from someone who thinks Wheater is a better centre-half than Dunne.
How many green smilies is that worth?
For Ireland anyway, he is a far better defender for us than Terry is for England or than Carragher ever was for England. If you watch an Ireland match you will see how good he can be especially as he is playing beside idiotic defenders such as Paul McShane and sometimes John O'Shea.
I'm an Ireland supporter so I see him regularly for Ireland, and he does stand head and shoulders above the rest of them and is brilliant when defending under constant pressure.
Club football is much more important though.
Not from my point of view!! I don't care how he plays at city once he still puts in those tremendous performances for Ireland?
In relation to club football, Dunne has been one of the best and most consistent defenders in the PL over the last few years, until this season.
Fair enough.
Yeah, he was brilliant for the last three seasons and was a completely different player to that fat lad no-one even knew at City back in the early Keegan days.
But he isn't better than Carragher, Vidic, Rio, Carvalho or Terry. He's in the lot just behind them.
Fair enough.
Yeah, he was brilliant for the last three seasons and was a completely different player to that fat lad no-one even knew at City back in the early Keegan days.
But he isn't better than Carragher, Vidic, Rio, Carvalho or Terry. He's in the lot just behind them.
I'm not saying he is better than those players. But he can put in performances that are just as good. He just doesn't do in regularly enough for his club anymore.
Probably doesn't help that he has Wright Phillips and Ireland in front of him, who quite clearly can't defend.
Bringing in Hamann may have helped take him up to that next level, players like him are always underrated. Then again it might have just been a coincidence.
But still, Hamann and Johnson/Barton provide much more defensive cover than the midfielders they're playing now.
He will give an amazing performance against us in a couple of weeks. You can just see that on the script.
EDIT: At Old Trafford in May instead. Forgot he got sent off the other week. Thought some of you folks keep tempting fate by bringing up this thread all the time
EDIT: At Old Trafford in May instead. Forgot he got sent off the other week. Thought some of you folks keep tempting fate by bringing up this thread all the time
Doubt it, seeing as he's banned for the match.
Not as many as Dunne>Terry.
Thats ranks alongside Pennant>Ronaldo on the Spasticity meter. Lunacy in its purest form. You should have begged the mods to hide this thread a long time ago.
Wow. What a retarded thing to claim.
Seriously. That really makes you sound fecking thick.
Oh well. Seems to be the right thread for people to make stupid claims. At least I can rest assured that, for some of us, this is a less frequent occurrence than than it is for others
Wow. What a retarded thing to claim.
Seriously. That really is pretty fecking stupid.
Oh well. Seems to be the right thread for people to make stupid claims. At least I can rest assured that, for some of us, this is a less frequent occurrence than than it is for others
Thats the catergory that this thread falls into you can fake supprise at the analogy all you like but its spot on. This thread was a spastic idea and you really should move on. Its for the best son.
Looks like we've both got reasons for wanting this thread to sink without a trace
It won't, of course, but I can live with that.
It won't, of course, but I can live with that.
I have to say thinking Wheater is better than Dunne is just as bad as saying Dunne is better than Terry.
Looks like we've both got reasons for wanting this thread to sink without a trace
It won't, of course, but I can live with that.
I'd actually be perfectly happy for it to stay as a perfect reminder of the fact that doctors really do make mistakes and when they do it really can have horrific and often life changing consequences.
No it isn't mate, their both good defenders at mid table sides, the difference is Wheater has time to improve, Dunne will never be more than a good solid mid table CB. Wheater for his age is playing prem football and not making a complete embarrisment of himself week in week out, not bad going for a 21yr old defender who comes up against prem level strikers week in week out.
Dunne's a step or two above Wheater, Terry's a step or two above Dunne.
No-one was talking about how good they might be, just how good they are and have been over the past few seasons.
Dunne's done much better than Wheater in that respect.
I'd actually be perfectly happy for it to stay as a perfect reminder of the fact that doctors really do make mistakes and when they do it really can have horrific and often life changing consequences.
You're not Jeremy Kyle by any chance?
Oh and you're wrong about Wheater, by the way. And fecking thick if you think the gap in class between Dunne and Terry is the same as that between Ronaldo and Pennant.
Your argument makes no sense at all. You seem to be saying he is better, because you believe he will be better. Also, right now, he isn't in Dunne's league in any way. A couple of goals don't change that fact. Any time I've seen him he looks mediocre defensively, and he turns like a bus. He's just another sign that hyperbole beats substance every time for some people.
No he isn't. Both good mid table CB's said it once and ill say it again.
Frustration getting to you mate? You can always tell a man losing an argument by the amount vitriol in his posts and you my friend are most definately losing this one.
I am saying wheater is currently as good as if not better than Dunne and will be 2 levels above him by the time he is 25+. On another note i wonder what nationality the three above posters are?
Answers on the back of a postcard please to:
Iam blinded by my Irishness
I am not capable of forming an unbias opinion
I walk around in a bubble of intense ignorance
PO Box
Blah blah blah yatta yatta yatta
No you're not. You're saying Wheater is better than Dunne. The whole "25+" nonsense is a desperate attempt to wriggle out of what you actually claimed.
Which is retarded.
But in your above post you said "their(sic) both good defenders at mid table sides, the difference is Wheater has time to improve". Now, that very clearly says that you believe there to be no difference in ability right now, as the only difference is Wheater's "time to improve". Clear as anything to me. Or is there something implicit in what you said that we all seem to be missing.
Changing your argument mid-stream and then claiming that it is us that don't understand is rather weak.
And yes, I'm Irish. I also think Pogue went slightly over the top in this thread on the back of a heroic Dunne performance for us, but he's a cracking centre-half. The fact remains, that we see him play far more often than the others on this board, since we see Internationals and keep an eye on him at City. A couple of weeks of relatively poor form doesn't change that.
And here is the exact quote.
On a side note, funny the way Dunne can be written off after a couple weeks loss of form but he's willing to gloss over the fact that Toure can't even get a game for a defence which has been all over the place, this season.
On a side note, funny the way Dunne can be written off after a couple weeks loss of form but he's willing to gloss over the fact that Toure can't even get a game for a defence which has been all over the place, this season.
Allow me to clear up a misunderstanding in my last post I am not changing my position I still think wheater is better than Dunne what I should have said was Wheater is as good as Dunne, if not then better, or words to that effect. My use of the phrase if not better than Dunne is where the confusion arises so that’s entirely my fault.
So I am not backtracking as in my eyes Wheater is a better defender than Dunne however when taking a players ability into account I freely admit that I also asses potential which is a huge reason why I believe that even though the difference between the two is marginal (in wheater favour) It is safe to say Wheater is the better defender and the gap between the two will only grow.
Wheater lets not forget is a defender who at 21yrs forms part of a very tight defence. His problems lie mainly in lapses in concentration(which Dunne even at 31+ suffers from) He does not have many off days as he cannot afford to in a team with as little fire power as m'boro, usually if they go a goal down then they lose. However admittedly when he does have an off day then M’boro have a tendency to ship a lot of goals.
I can’t see a single thing about his game that Richard Dunne does better except pace and even then Wheater's positioning is for me better than Dunne’s as it needs to be. There seems to be a perception in this thread that comparing Dunne to Wheater or Andy O’Brian is somehow a criticism, it isn’t they are all good mid table prem defenders nothing more than that. The fact that a lot of you feel that Dunne is above that level tells you something about how blinkered your nationality has made you, as he simply isn’t.
He wouldn’t be the first defender to look decent at international level and merely average at prem level indeed Andy O’Brian is possibly a perfect example of this for Northern Ireland where he hasn’t looked out of place against the likes of Raul. That does not suddenly make him a world beater by any means, the prem is his bread and butter and week in week out he shows that he is a sturdy reliable defender but not much more than that.
Dunne’s positioning is faulty at times, his doesn’t have nearly as much pace as you imagine he does and his intelligence for a 31+ year old is not nearly what it should be. You only need to look at Man city’s goals conceded column over the last 2-3 seasons to see that he is not fit to lace Terry’s boots. Terry for all his personal failings is an exceptional defender who on his day is far above 90% of other prem defenders. Lets not forget that that was you original claim pogue, that Dunne is a better defender than Terry, and for that you should hang your head in shame as it really is a spastic comment which really is up there alongside Bramble>zidane such is the level of difference between Terry and Dunne.
I would be prepared to accept that in the eyes of the Irish Dunne is a better defender than Wheater, for my opinion he is not but I would never suggest that the difference in favour of wheater was a gapping chasm it certainly is not. However that side tracks the issue of how big a brain-fart this thread is. It is an enormous stain on your judgement and seriously calls into question how much you really know about football.
PS: Oh and just in case nobody else told you Toure is currently recovering from a long term injury hence why he is being nursed back to health, however he is another defender who shits all over Dunne and will be a first teamer when fit.
So I am not backtracking as in my eyes Wheater is a better defender than Dunne however when taking a players ability into account I freely admit that I also asses potential which is a huge reason why I believe that even though the difference between the two is marginal (in wheater favour) It is safe to say Wheater is the better defender and the gap between the two will only grow.
Wheater lets not forget is a defender who at 21yrs forms part of a very tight defence. His problems lie mainly in lapses in concentration(which Dunne even at 31+ suffers from) He does not have many off days as he cannot afford to in a team with as little fire power as m'boro, usually if they go a goal down then they lose. However admittedly when he does have an off day then M’boro have a tendency to ship a lot of goals.
I can’t see a single thing about his game that Richard Dunne does better except pace and even then Wheater's positioning is for me better than Dunne’s as it needs to be. There seems to be a perception in this thread that comparing Dunne to Wheater or Andy O’Brian is somehow a criticism, it isn’t they are all good mid table prem defenders nothing more than that. The fact that a lot of you feel that Dunne is above that level tells you something about how blinkered your nationality has made you, as he simply isn’t.
He wouldn’t be the first defender to look decent at international level and merely average at prem level indeed Andy O’Brian is possibly a perfect example of this for Northern Ireland where he hasn’t looked out of place against the likes of Raul. That does not suddenly make him a world beater by any means, the prem is his bread and butter and week in week out he shows that he is a sturdy reliable defender but not much more than that.
Dunne’s positioning is faulty at times, his doesn’t have nearly as much pace as you imagine he does and his intelligence for a 31+ year old is not nearly what it should be. You only need to look at Man city’s goals conceded column over the last 2-3 seasons to see that he is not fit to lace Terry’s boots. Terry for all his personal failings is an exceptional defender who on his day is far above 90% of other prem defenders. Lets not forget that that was you original claim pogue, that Dunne is a better defender than Terry, and for that you should hang your head in shame as it really is a spastic comment which really is up there alongside Bramble>zidane such is the level of difference between Terry and Dunne.
I would be prepared to accept that in the eyes of the Irish Dunne is a better defender than Wheater, for my opinion he is not but I would never suggest that the difference in favour of wheater was a gapping chasm it certainly is not. However that side tracks the issue of how big a brain-fart this thread is. It is an enormous stain on your judgement and seriously calls into question how much you really know about football.
PS: Oh and just in case nobody else told you Toure is currently recovering from a long term injury hence why he is being nursed back to health, however he is another defender who shits all over Dunne and will be a first teamer when fit.
Obviously we'll have to agree to disagree, but two things are worth mentioning...
Dunne has not long turned 29 rather than "31+"
Andy O'Brien is a former Republic Of Ireland International, who never really looked much of a player for us, much less held his own against Raul.
Fair point, confusing his nationality with another defender my bad. Still looked decent at international level and has lived with some good strikers.
Let's just say the phrase "feck's sake, O'Brien" was one I heard an awful lot when he was playing for us.
He's a liability at that level.He was very poor almost throughout his time with ROI, and to be honest, even now, with McShane as one of our CBs, we don't miss him at all.
O'Brien has always been a mediocre to shite defender, at international level as much he has been for his club(s) It's bizarre to even mention him in the same breath as Dunne - who regularly puts in performances for club and country that O'Brien could only dream of.
The more you contribute to this thread the more apparent it becomes that your opinion on Dunne is based on assumptions, rather than actually watching him play, on anything like a regular basis.
Dunne is underrated. Not top notch, but underrated.
The four best centrehalves in the Premiership are:
Rio
Vidic
Brown
Evans
The four best centrehalves in the Premiership are:
Rio
Vidic
Brown
Evans
Rubbish, i've seen him play enougth for City to know that he isn't a patch on any defender playing regularly for the top four. good but not exceptional. Except it and admit this was a spastic idea.
Nice try.
I backed down from my (over-excited) claim that he was better than Terry/Carragher etc. a while back.
Still waiting for you to back down from your spastic claim that Wheater is a better central defender than him, mind you.
Of course, that may have to wait, seeing as you've only gone and muddied the waters now, with an uber-spastic claim that he's in the same class as Andy fecking O'Brien
The only one I disagree with is Evans and he will have supassed Dunne is 2 seasons time anyway if he continues as he is.
I backed down from my (over-excited) claim that he was better than Terry/Carragher etc. a while back.
Still waiting for you to back down from your spastic claim that Wheater is a better central defender than him, mind you.
Of course, that may have to wait, seeing as you've only gone and muddied the waters now, with an uber-spastic claim that he's in the same class as Andy fecking O'Brien
You shouldn't waste any time waiting for me to back down over my wheater claim I have already said that I can see why from an Irish perspective you might feel that he is better than wheater I do however from an English perspective rate wheater very highly and think that its not beyond the realms of possibilty that he will one day make a top class CB at a big four club. He is only 21 and will has plenty of time to progress and he has held his own against some pretty good prem strikers.
Its not an insult to Dunne that I think wheater is better I just think Dunne will never play for a top 5 club where as Wheater in all probability may well achieve that. Potential counts for alot with me which is why we see things differently so it not a complete climb down but i can see thing from your perspective and so it would be pointless for me to continue to argue about who is better.
As for Andy O'Brien i've always thought that when I've seen him for Bolton his come across as a good solid but unspectacular defender(which is where i'd put Dunne) however I'll bow to your supperior knowledge on that one and admit that Dunne may possibly be the better defender although not by much.
You shouldn't waste any time waiting for me to back down over my wheater claim I have already said that I can see why from an Irish perspective you might feel that he is better than wheater I do however from an English perspective rate wheater very highly and think that its not beyond the realms of possibilty that he will one day make a top class CB at a big four club. He is only 21 and will has plenty of time to progress and he has held his own against some pretty good prem strikers.
Its not an insult to Dunne that I think wheater is better I just think Dunne will never play for a top 5 club where as Wheater in all probability may well achieve that. Potential counts for alot with me which is why we see things differently so it not a complete climb down but i can see thing from your perspective and so it would be pointless for me to continue to argue about who is better.
As for Andy O'Brien i've always thought that when I've seen him for Bolton his come across as a good solid but unspectacular defender(which is where i'd put Dunne) however I'll bow to your supperior knowledge on that one and admit that Dunne may possibly be the better defender although not by much.
Feck it, I reckon that's as close as we're gonna get to seeing eye to eye in this thread. Probably as good a point as any to agree to put an end to all this bickering.
*shakes hand*
It's been a pleasure calling each other spastics. Peace out
Thank you, Patrice, thank you...
That "through ball" from Dunne at the end was hilarious.
Doubt it, seeing as he's banned for the match.
Thought you said he was banned?
He had a good game overall shutting down Berbatov whenever he could.