I think you're getting a bit carried away. Dunne was crap and heading for the Championship. He's cleaned his act up and is a good midtable PL CB. No more. He and Richards got fried by Adebayor and Eduardo at City last season.
Richard Dunne...
- Thread starter Pogue Mahone
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The very fact you're comparing his form under Pearce with his current form kind of shows you don't know what you're talking about here. But that's fair enough, in a way, if you don't follow City or Ireland, he could easily slip under your radar, he gets so little credit in the media.
He's come on in leaps and bounds these last couple of seasons (mainly because he's sorted his life out, off the field) and is one of the best central defenders in the league now.
Where would I rate him?
In order:
Rio
Carvalho
Vidic
Dunne
Toure
Terry
Carragher
Wes
Agger
Skirtel
Woodgate
Gallas(on current form)
Laursen
Distin
When it comes to Dunne/Toure/Terry/Carragher, they are all very close though but I'm gonna stick Dunne at the top, cause I can
Dunne better than Terry and Toure. You haven't been writing perscriptions for yourself have you doc?
Here Here!!!!
Bollocks!!!! If he were French he wouldn't get anywhere near the french national team even under Domenech. Might however complement Toure better than Gallas due to his no nonsense approach.
Right again, a gross overaction for a decent mid table defender.
Wow. 4 laughing smilies.
Bump that up to 6 and your insightful debating technique will be so utterly convincing, we might as well close the thread.
Moving swiftly on, how many games did you watch Dunne play last season?
Bump that up to 6 and your insightful debating technique will be so utterly convincing, we might as well close the thread.
Moving swiftly on, how many games did you watch Dunne play last season?
Toure and Gallas got fried by Rooney - up front, on his own - in the FA Cup last season. Not to mention looking none too clever against fecking Hull. One or two games doesn't mean squat, in the greater scheme of things.
You're falling into your old mistake, Pete, of judging players based purely on the two games they play against Arsenal every season
a message to all our Irish friends. Please take off the emerald tinted glasses.
Dunne is nothing more than an average stopper.I totally agree that he makes Richards look good, but like most on the Caf, I think Richards is overrated.
Dunne is nothing more than an average stopper.I totally agree that he makes Richards look good, but like most on the Caf, I think Richards is overrated.
Watching players in live games to assess how good they are? What a strange idea? Probably a better idea than judging him against the might of Cyprus, though.You're falling into your old mistake, Pete, of judging players based purely on the two games they play against Arsenal every season
This is so obvious I can't believe it needed to be said.
Terry's not as good as he was a few years back but he's still as good or better than anyone else in the league aside from Ferdinand and way ahead of Richard Dunne.
Dunne's good but not top class and I agree with whoever was saying that Irish players tend to be overrated on redcafe for some reason, I see more posts about how great Given is than I do on every other football forum I read and that includes a Newcastle board!
And Richards is absolute class, best young defender in the league. He does make positional mistakes but people forget he came through as a right back and I think only started playing central defence full time at the start of last season.
Terrr's not even the best defender at his own club. He's been a shadow of his former self, ever since he prolapsed that disc in his back, got rushed into an operation and has completely knackered his posterior chain as a result. He's been living on past glories and English media hype.
So you'r judging him based on just the one performance, then?
The Cyprus game is fairly irrelevant to my opinion (other than being the performance which prompted this thread) I've been impressed by Dunne every time he pulls on an Ireland shirt for a while now and his Premier League performances (against United and every other game I've watched City play) have been top class for the last couple of seasons or so.
Toure and Gallas got fried by Rooney - up front, on his own - in the FA Cup last season. Not to mention looking none too clever against fecking Hull. One or two games doesn't mean squat, in the greater scheme of things.
You're falling into your old mistake, Pete, of judging players based purely on the two games they play against Arsenal every season
I hope a top four club(not us) reads this thread and signs Dunne on your glowing recommendation(unlikely I know but a boy can dream). It would improve our title chances no end.
Do you really believe Chelsea would have been able to build their success on such a solid defense if that defense had Richard Dunne in it?
PS: your right we should close this thread as you've clear made a bit of a cockup on this one.
I hope a top four club(not us) reads this thread and signs Dunne on your glowing recommendation(unlikely I know but a boy can dream). It would improve our title chances no end.
Do you really believe Chelsea would have been able to build their success on such a solid defence if that defense had Richard Dunne in it?
PS: your right we should close this thread as you've clear made a bit of a cockup on this one.
Yes.
Although that's an extremely hypothetical question. When Chelsea last won the league, Terry was a far better player than Dunne. But now - since Terry has deteriorated and Dunne has improved massively - it's a much more close run thing. If we could send the 2008 version of Dunne back through time, he would have done very well for Chelsea.
I personally think Dunne shades it but I could see why some people might give the the edge to Terry. Whatever, Dunne is an excellent centre-half and the comparison with Andy O'Brien is laughable.
Pogue you let your hated of Terry cloud your judgement of him. I've had this discussion with you in the past and I remember posting up stats that showed that Chelsea conceeded almost three times as many goals as when they played without Terry than when they played without Carvalho, this was after the start of Terry's injuries problems as well.
Carvalho is a great 1on1 defender but he doesn't cover for other players as well as Terry does and despite his experience he makes no efforts to communicate to his team mates or try and organize situations like defenders like Terry and Ferdinand do. He's like Vidic, does his own job superbly but can't hold a defence together like Terry can.
Terry is just nowhere near as bad as you make out, players living on past glories don't captain sides to CL finals. But yeah I've had this discussion before and can't be bothered with it again, you absolutely despise Terry and are as blind to his quality as someone like peterstorey is to Tevez or mithun is to Rooney.
Here's my two cents. Dunne used to be a bit dodgey with a mistake a game, drank too much and wasnt dominant enough for a centre half. He has since corrected these flaws and is certainly a very good centre half. He recognises his limits and uses his assets well. I dont think he would look out of place in a top four side at all.
Fair enough, you might have a point there!
Still, I don't reckon I could have chosen a better hate figure, eh? Do you want to hear my opinions on Ashley Cole?
Go on then.
I actually quite like Cole even though he's such a cock, I think it's a legacy from my fantasy football days when A. Cole (Arsenal) was always a mainstay of my defence along with M. Melchiot (Chelsea) and G. Neville (Man Utd). His battles with Ronaldo always rock as well.
I actually quite like Cole even though he's such a cock, I think it's a legacy from my fantasy football days when A. Cole (Arsenal) was always a mainstay of my defence along with M. Melchiot (Chelsea) and G. Neville (Man Utd). His battles with Ronaldo always rock as well.
Well someone was going to bump this thread
That was a god like finish from Richard Dunne aka Vidic with pace.
Got to say when I saw the goal I immediately thought of this thread.Haha. It's the first time i've seen this thread - surely it was a wind up?
There's quite a few defenders above Sticky Bun in the rankings imo. A city fan mate of mine (was at the game last night too) has said he's been pretty poor all season.
There's quite a few defenders above Sticky Bun in the rankings imo. A city fan mate of mine (was at the game last night too) has said he's been pretty poor all season.
Neat Finish.
Timing is everything, eh Pog.
I am so glad someone did, Richard Dunne is fecking terrible. Always going to get a few own goals and red cards from him a season.
Happens to all centre halves. I think Pally scored about 3 in a row. Silly statement to say he is terrible though. Was at fault for both goals tonight but is normally rock solid.
Another o.g. from Dunne.
Pogue has cursed him!!!
Pogue has cursed him!!!
Bolton 2-0 Man City
Dunne and Dusted!
Dunne and Dusted!
Actually watched the game. Dunne played well. An OG doesn't turn a good defender into a bad one, spackers. You will note that the reason he put the ball in his own net was because he was the only City defender tracking the run of the striker, with Richards miles out of position, as usual.
Ho hum, if I have jinxed him it's all good, especially with the derby coming up this month. You cnuts better not counter-jinx him with all your bleedin' laughing smilies!
Ho hum, if I have jinxed him it's all good, especially with the derby coming up this month. You cnuts better not counter-jinx him with all your bleedin' laughing smilies!
he does score an abnormal amount of own goals though doesn't he? Seems to get a couple every season doesn't he?
Him an carrahger should have a contest
Occupational hazaard for defenders.
sell Rio - sign Dickie Dunne
got to admit though, he usually plays a blinder against us
got to admit though, he usually plays a blinder against us
The same people who rate Dunne, don't rate Carragher, I just don't undestand that. They're so alike.
Positionally brilliant, have the ability to step up their games and play a blinder every so often, fast and strong.
Positionally brilliant, have the ability to step up their games and play a blinder every so often, fast and strong.
the sad thing about Dunne, for the Irish among us, is that he is the only decent centre half we have. And thats the only position we were good at churning out. McGrath, Moran, McCarthy, Lawrenson and so on
Agreed. Carragher is better than Dunne as well.
Well that was a bit of a stretch, but they are both reasonably fast.
Dunne's at it again.
Nice work Pogue, you completely destroyed the man.
Poor misreading for the goal today.