[RopersReturn]

What actually are ETHs tactics. Aside from a left back which we don't have and Hojlund up front, that was a starting XI that should be competitive. HOW are we so porous?

He doesn’t have any clear tactical plan, that’s partly the major problem. We’re neither good at playing high press or the low block, we’re certainly getting overrun in the midfield every week. It has to end.

 

[pratyush_utd]

 

[Matt Varnish]

What actually are ETHs tactics. Aside from a left back which we don't have and Hojlund up front, that was a starting XI that should be competitive. HOW are we so porous?

Dalot is better on the right, but he's been shifted to accommodate Mazroui (however you spell it), we;ve been forced into that because both Malacia and Shaw are the physio's best mates

 

[Cpt Negative]

Who knows what would have happened at 1-0 when 11 v 11. First half didn’t look great but it’s spurs after all. Think that will go down as the worst red card in premier league history that totally killed us off. Won’t ge talked about, but it’s a criminal decision

 

[mardika]

It really feels like we have rinse repeated the latter days of LVG, Mou and Ole again. There’s an acceptance the manager should go but then how can the players get away with what they have put on the pitch. Spurs didn’t play that well, there’s not a huge amount of complexity to what they do, we just were categorically not up for the off the ball work required.

Pretty sure majority of players playing today were signed or promoted under Ten Hag:

Onana
Mazouri
De Ligt
DALOT
Ugarte
Mainoo
Garnacho
BRUNO
RASHFORD
Zirkzee

Spurs might not even playing well but teams didnt really need to play well to beat us these days.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Bruno thinks there are many good thing we can take away??

Eh?

 

[Matt Varnish]

Objectively one of the worst redcards I've ever seen. Bruno's heel makes contact rather than his studs, atrocious refereeing.

Regardless, we deserved nothing, we were piss poor. No style, no passion. 11 headless chickens. And it's all on ETH. I've been vacking him since day one, but entering your third year and having YOUR team play like this, without any structure at all, you just need to admit defeat.

Sad times.

It's a high tackle, from the side and catches the player, it's a red, get over it

 

[VivaRonaldo85]

Incredibly damaging for the manager this one. It’s his fault, he’s the man on charge. The only mitigation I’ll give him, as I sit piss wet through in a heaving car park once again, is that we have some fecking pathetic characters in our playing staff. Weak, low IQ, completely lacking character or resilience.

Ten Hag’s time is done, this is the beginning of the end whether it comes sooner or later. He’s failed to turn things around fast enough and the mood in the crowd was different today. But good luck to the next poor bastard we get. That squad is not built for modern football, which is a huge collective failure on everyone at the club.

What’s frightening is some poor bastard is going to have to walk into this squad, a squad of players single handedly picked and designed by what will be the previous manager over a 2 year period.

 

[Raw]

Jesus

 

[VivaJesperBlomqvist]

Well… at least Kelly Cates looks banging on Sky Sports.

This could be ETH’s final game.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

MUTV with Mark Sullivan and Ben Thornley it is all the red card and no penalty excuse.

 

[VivaJesperBlomqvist]

This is a United team that seems unable to play modern football. We are so stuck in the past. From the stadium to the facilities to the profile of the players. Modern tactics always seem to be awkward for us.

 

[Woodywizz]

Bruno thinks there are many good thing we can take away??

Couldn’t believe what I was hearing when he said that. I thought Maguire was the worst captain we’ve ever had, this bleating fanny is making me question that.

 

[Kevzter]

Why is his teams always worse than the year before? I was not even surprised by the way this game played out...even conceding in the 3rd minute.

For me this team is the perfect reflection of the manager.

 

[ThinkTank@Cafe]

Another season wasted

Really depressing.

33 games left. Just let’s get rid of 10Hug.

 

[Schmeichels pinky]

Think that's that for ETH. He may cling on simply til next weekend with it being a busy week, but after the Villa game there's a short gap with the internationals. Hard to see him staying on after that. Honestly, it would feel cruel keeping him on. He looks lost.

Biggest issue was a simple lack of belief and commitment from the first whistle. That supersedes any issues with formation and personal form. If the team can't go out and make a full effort for the cause they're never going to win. I wouldn't say the team has outright downed tools, but they sure as hell don't believe in the project. Without that, nothing he can do will work.

I understand the approach the management took with regards to keeping ETH. And there a lot to be said about how the club’s previous senior managers made things harder for ETH. He isn’t the sole architect of this mess. However Ineos need to be wary about the club heading into a downward spiral mid-season. I think it's the right time for him to go.

Agree 100%

 

[gerdm07]

Can we get a new manager? Please!

Will be interesting how we play without Bruno. If ETH sets us up right we might be a better team. I would love to see Amad given a match as AM.

 

[Matt Varnish]

What’s frightening is some poor bastard is going to have to walk into this squad, a squad of players single handedly picked and designed by what will be the previous manager over a 2 year period.

Is there anyone who actually thinks the players we have bought, have in any way improved the team ?
I can't see it
I cannot see why these players we have bought under ETH are worth the money we paid for them, if any other club had spent that kind of cash they would be challenging for top four already, and here we are heading in the wrong direction.
Unless there is something I am missing, I don't see any manager turnign this around without major surgery............again!

 

[steffyr2]

He doesn’t have any clear tactical plan, that’s partly the major problem. We’re neither good at playing high press or the low block, we’re certainly getting overrun in the midfield every week. It has to end.

Or the players are all bad….if I was an up and coming player, Utd would be the last place I’d go.

 

[always_hoping]

One thing losing to title chasing Liverpool 3-0 whom had just three shots on target and it's 10 times worse losing to such average Tottenham side who had 10 shots on target. Granted United played half the match 10 men but even before that sending off A united was lucky not to be further behind.

Jim and Co have job on their hands to fix this club and we could well see the club going through another 3 or 4 managers and a new stadium built before this club become serious team again capable of challenging for major honours.

 

[Nogbadthebad]

Since Sir Alext left, we've had every kind of manager. From the authoritarian Van Gall to the best mate Ole,

We've signed all kinds of players, from the young 'next big things' like sancho to dead cert legends like falcao, and what is the one thing that is most consitent about all these teams.

They crumble under pressure.

What is worrying is that our new players have picked up the same trait, and they've only been here for 6 games.

There is something rotten at the club beyond recruitment, beyond manager choice too. Its time this guy went, but until the club deal with whatever is the source of this mindset, things won't get any better whoever they replace him with.

 

[Redfrog]

I've supported ETH for a long time but it must be time to change at this point, 7 games and we haven't got going.

Question is what top manager is available that can build long term success?

Let’s look short term first. Many managers out there can up the performance level.

 

[pratyush_utd]

Who gave Bruno more than 1?

 

[Schmeichels pinky]

Can we get a new manager? Please!

Will be interesting how we play without Bruno. If ETH sets us up right we might be a better team. I would love to see Amad given a match as AM.

Right now we need experience and calmness. Eriksen gives us that even though he lacks other things and it’s criminal that ETH didn’t start him today v a team that leaves space for his brilliant passes.

 

[tf1989]

Since Sir Alext left, we've had every kind of manager. From the authoritarian Van Gall to the best mate Ole,

We've signed all kinds of players, from the young 'next big things' like sancho to dead cert legends like falcao, and what is the one thing that is most consitent about all these teams.

They crumble under pressure.

What is worrying is that our new players have picked up the same trait, and they've only been here for 6 games.

There is something rotten at the club beyond recruitment, beyond manager choice too. Its time this guy went, but until the club deal with whatever is the source of this mindset, things won't get any better whoever they replace him with.

In a weird way this is why I think Southgate might be a surprisingly good fit for united right now. I don't think he's great. But he might be exactly what you need.

You don't need the best tactical manager. Utd have money to burn to cover deficiencies if needed. A simple plan, good man management and half-decent coaching is what's needed. The culture of the club is what is rotten - something that for all the (very correct) criticism he has had, everyone acknowledges he did a great job with.

I don't think Southgate is ever going to win the league but I think him for 12-24 months rebuilds the foundations of the team.

 

[atkar83]

Doesn't even matter who. Just sack this shite coach and start your search while we have a random interim in the meantime. Let it be clear that we are at least searching.

You really can't get worse. There's enough individual talent in that team that any of us could get them to 7th-12th in the PL. He brings nothing now that helps us win consistently

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

I wish this were the case but it really looks very bad for us at the moment. How can CBs attack us like that two games in a row.

Rashford was so poor in that phase of play and took out 6 of our players. Our defenders seem to want to attack more than defend. Dalot jogging back and covering 15 yards when their CB covered 60 is complete bollocks

I think we have all of the basics in the squad.

Onana is a top level keeper and has been good this year.
Mazroui, Dalot, Malacia and Shaw are all good in both directions. They need to be told to play wider in my opinion.
We’ve got loads of quality centre backs, all of which can play a bit.
We’re light in the middle of the park, but in Mainoo, Ugarte, Mount, Casemiro, Eriksen, Colyer, we have footballers that can play a bit. It’s the wrong blend of old and young but recruitment could solve that.
feck knows on the forwards. But we have saleable assets and talented players. None of them are old and most would fetch a good fee.

I like ten Hag. But the rot seems to have set in. He’s not going to make it work, but maybe he pulls something out the bag.

The focus needs to be on signing talented 20-24 year olds that grow together as a team. Regardless of the manager we have now, or the next one, or the one that’s in charge for this long term vision for 2027-2028.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Pretty sure majority of players playing today were signed or promoted under Ten Hag:

Onana
Mazouri
De Ligt
DALOT
Ugarte
Mainoo
Garnacho
BRUNO
RASHFORD
Zirkzee

Spurs might not even playing well but teams didnt really need to play well to beat us these days.

I don’t really care if they are signed by x, y or z or academy - it seems to have been an issue under all managers where we enter this period where the players seem to simply not care. The lack of a reaction to the first Spurs sums it up, it’s like they don’t mind.

I don’t get why it always seems to happen, it’s not like we’ve had untested managers before bar Ole.

 

[MRD]

Well, this was a horror show.It feel like the players want to get him the sack now.

 

[Florida Man]

Think that's that for ETH. He may cling on simply til next weekend with it being a busy week, but after the Villa game there's a short gap with the internationals. Hard to see him staying on after that. Honestly, it would feel cruel keeping him on. He looks lost.

Biggest issue was a simple lack of belief and commitment from the first whistle. That supersedes any issues with formation and personal form. If the team can't go out and make a full effort for the cause they're never going to win. I wouldn't say the team has outright downed tools, but they sure as hell don't believe in the project. Without that, nothing he can do will work.

I understand the approach the management took with regards to keeping ETH. And there a lot to be said about how the club’s previous senior managers made things harder for ETH. He isn’t the sole architect of this mess. However Ineos need to be wary about the club heading into a downward spiral mid-season. I think it's the right time for him to go.

My same thoughts too. Matter of when, not if.

 

[Addled]

Bruno thinks there are many good thing we can take away??

The very reason why the prick needs to be dropped. While he was on the pitch (and contributing very little) he had a good period of arm waving, head shaking & silent mouthing. He is the very epitome of a “leader”
This wanker is suspended now so I expect much better performances. However, to get better performances, we need a Magee that can pick and motivate a team. That ain’t ERIK.

 

[fps]

So we played alright or no?

 

[AdamColeBebe]

So we played alright or no?

no

 

[Castia]

Imagine if Son played and got those chances Werner had. It would have been 6-7 easily

 

[Jacko21]

I though it was curious that Andy Mitten chose this week to repeat his statement that “some players aren’t having the manager” and hinted at the dressing room still not being settled.

Something looked amiss from the first minute today.

 

[Matt Varnish]

I though it was curious that Andy Mitten chose this week to repeat his statement that “some players aren’t having the manager” and hinted at the dressing room still not being settled.

Something looked amiss from the first minute today.

Something has been wrong since ETH got here, he has a knack of upsetting players.
No matter what you think, too many players have left under a cloud and saying they weren't happy at United, it all points to ETH and his methods

 

[LordSpud]

Something has been wrong since ETH got here, he has a knack of upsetting players.
No matter what you think, too many players have left under a cloud and saying they weren't happy at United, it all points to ETH and his methods

They did the same to Mourinho, to Ole, to Rangnick. Now they have phoned it in here. The player power at United is a problem. "Upsetting players" is fecking bullshit. These idiots are paid very well just do the fecking job.

My instant worry is the odds to take over. Since RvN has come in I've seen nothing from him, Southgate is a fecking calamity...

The 5 year plan for Jim is looking like an absolute pipe dream by the day

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

Utterly atrocious today. The players have no guts or fight, but the buck stops with eth. I’ve been Eric in all the way but that’s it. There is a total absence of style that f play, no cohesion at all, the players play like all 11 have been given a different game plan and HE KEEPS MAKING THE SAME MISTAKES. Time to go

 

[lex talionis]

It's a high tackle, from the side and catches the player, it's a red, get over it

Agreed. I’ve just now seen the offense. Bruno’s boot was ridiculously high, so high he could have been seeking to get sent off. Whatever his reasons may be, but from everything I’ve seen this season (bar today’s game as I’m in Madrid right now) it’s abundantly clear that ETH has lost the players.

The time has come.

 

[RedDevil@84]

If someone told me some of the players were a bit drunk today, I would believe.