[RedDevil@84]

You don’t know much about corporate attitudes to social media if that’s what you believe.

Right. The ETH sack votes on caf has been > 75% for weeks. And now > 80%.

I am surprised he hasn't been sacked yet.

 

[sparx99]

That's some leap right there.
Bloody hell.

Just find it weird how there was all that chat last week. I get that Ole just got asked a question but it was so bizarre that anyone would ask him that.

I meant it more as the likes of Scholes etc having chats amongst themselves and it becomes a press thing. Not an actual conspiracy.

 

[JeffFromHK]

We finally seem to have run out of all "silly" United fans who want to give ETH some more time. One year too late, but nonetheless

Every single managerial sacking post-SAF has been painfully slow.

We get rid of spent players too painfully slow as well.

 

[Sea-Cow]

Shocking performance, one of worst I've seen from us. Definitely one of the worst under Ten Hag. Obviously we knew the game would be a write off after the red, but there was nothing positive about the performance before that.

Only player that I could any credit to would be Onana. Without him it's an even bigger score. We were actually let off lightly in terms of the scoreline really.

Grim times. Not sure how, but we need to pick ourselves up from here. I agree with others who have said the excuses are running out.

I give credit to Garnacho for his effort at least. He didn't have the pace or quality to actually threaten their defense, but he ran himself ragged in the second half. There was a moment in about the 80th minute where he lost the ball cheaply in quick succession, and I thought he was out on his feet at that point, but he kept going and they kept trying to play him in down that side, and he kept chasing.

 

[Sea-Cow]

It's a high tackle, from the side and catches the player, it's a red, get over it

Wow I assumed the entire football world would agree that was a horrible decision.

 

[NewGlory]

I think you missed Ugarte too.. he was running at Van de Ven and could have slid in (which is what we signed him for) and didn't.. just backed off.

True. When we were signing Ugarte, one of the things that was said about him was that he was unbelievably fast for a midfielder, let alone defensive midfielder. That pace or speed was nowhere to be seen today

 

[NewGlory]

It's a high tackle, from the side and catches the player, it's a red, get over it

It was not a high tackle, Bruno slid on a wet pitch and basically went into free fall legs up. It may not have been obvious to the ref, but was very obvious when they showed it from other angles and VAR had to at least have told the ref to check the monitors. It was an absolutely herendous call and everybody except for Spurs fans, and apparently you, agreed

 

[Sea-Cow]

I think we have all of the basics in the squad.

Onana is a top level keeper and has been good this year.
Mazroui, Dalot, Malacia and Shaw are all good in both directions. They need to be told to play wider in my opinion.
We’ve got loads of quality centre backs, all of which can play a bit.
We’re light in the middle of the park, but in Mainoo, Ugarte, Mount, Casemiro, Eriksen, Colyer, we have footballers that can play a bit. It’s the wrong blend of old and young but recruitment could solve that.
feck knows on the forwards. But we have saleable assets and talented players. None of them are old and most would fetch a good fee.

I like ten Hag. But the rot seems to have set in. He’s not going to make it work, but maybe he pulls something out the bag.

The focus needs to be on signing talented 20-24 year olds that grow together as a team. Regardless of the manager we have now, or the next one, or the one that’s in charge for this long term vision for 2027-2028.

Some very questionable statements in your post mate.

 

[bb8]

Not sacking in the summer was an absolute killer.

Handing him a contract extension was worse. That's all guaranteed right? If so, that's another £10M down the drain. Could've just left him on the final year of his contract. If lots of players do it, why can't the coach?

 

[bgoodall]

Garnacho shot off the post and Casemeiro that went wide were only two good moments. Everything else was trash.

 

[Waynne]

I still cannot get over the first goal

1. Rashford loses the ball AND DOES NOT EVEN CONSIDER tracking back to win it back. Garnacho next to him also decided to lounge up top and observe what happens like a spectator
2. Bruno does not try to even press on sprinting Van de Ven. Maybe Bruno is not fast enough to have caught him, but at least he could have tried and given him some worry, rather than creating half a field worth of space to jog through
3. Mainoo actually slows down and makes zero effort to catch up to Johnson, way before Johnson got the ball
4. Dalot loses Johnson as well, so by the time Van de Ven fires, Johnson is wide open

I mean... you can have one player not give a shit, two players not give a shit, but how can you have these many players shit the bed is something to seriously question

For me Dalot is more at fault for the goal. He just stops and refuses to follow the Spurs player. Can even see when the goal goes in how he holds up his hand as it to admit it's his fault but yes the lack of effort from Rashford to win back the ball is alarming as well.

 

[HookedOnAPhelan]

The vast majority of us agreed he had to go before the Fa Cup Final. Every single one of you that changed your vote to keep him after that one game asked for more of this shite. Hope you're all enjoying it.

Not as much as you, clearly.

 

[MadDogg]

Danny Murphy explained it. He said when you’ve got a lack of organisation and players unsure of their roles, it can look like they’re not making as much effort. The number of professional players going out with the intention of not giving their all must be minimal. Why would they today? What’s changed from a week ago, or two weeks ago when we were beating Barnsley and Southampton?

Also combine that with a complete lack of confidence and morale, and it's always going to have the knock-on effect that the players performances drop significantly. A player who has no confidence is going to second-guessing everything they do, making them react slower, tire faster and just making everything they do more difficult. Confidence is, along with actual ability of course, the single biggest contributor to how well a player performs on the pitch.

All our managers have destroyed the confidence throughout the team with the very simple act of clearly being poor at their job and setting the players up to fail (and being incredibly toxic in Mourinho's case). Any other group of players would have ultimately failed in the same way; albeit the fact it's happened so often to some of our players has probably resulted in their confidence being easier to break than most players. In saying that, there's been such a turnover in the playing squad under ETH that there's not that many players left who have experienced it multiple times with us (Rashford being the most obvious one).

 

[BulgarianDevil91]

Thank you for your contribution to the discussion.
Insulting people adds nothing and gives others an indication of how low your IQ is.
Another on ignore

I'm talking about the decision being moronic, not about anyone on here, while you're directly insulting me. Interesting.

 

[MadDogg]

It was not a high tackle, Bruno slid on a wet pitch and basically went into free fall legs up. It may not have been obvious to the ref, but was very obvious when they showed it from other angles and VAR had to at least have told the ref to check the monitors. It was an absolutely herendous call and everybody except for Spurs fans, and apparently you, agreed

It wasn't a free fall. He slipped, then deliberately stuck out that leg to bring Maddison down rather than let him just go past. It was a classic yellow card challenge to stop a counter-attack (which Bruno himself mentioned in the press conference). That foot ended up high enough I can understand the ref giving the red as it could have looked dangerous. VAR probably should have intervened, but even then I can understand with them thinking that it was a dangerous motion that could have caused injury if he'd been fractionally later.

 

[NinjaZombie]

I give credit to Garnacho for his effort at least. He didn't have the pace or quality to actually threaten their defense, but he ran himself ragged in the second half. There was a moment in about the 80th minute where he lost the ball cheaply in quick succession, and I thought he was out on his feet at that point, but he kept going and they kept trying to play him in down that side, and he kept chasing.

Didn't have much in him to have a positive impact, kept trying but ultimately you know that he's going to lose. A bit like Ten Hag at this point.

 

[NewGlory]

For me Dalot is more at fault for the goal. He just stops and refuses to follow the Spurs player. Can even see when the goal goes in how he holds up his hand as it to admit it's his fault but yes the lack of effort from Rashford to win back the ball is alarming as well.

I agree

 

[ayushreddevil9]

I found this funny

 

[wolvored]

Where was that reported?

I read it on news now. You can get all the news in one place online. You can set it to just Man Utd news

 

[tomaldinho1]

Danny Murphy explained it. He said when you’ve got a lack of organisation and players unsure of their roles, it can look like they’re not making as much effort. The number of professional players going out with the intention of not giving their all must be minimal. Why would they today? What’s changed from a week ago, or two weeks ago when we were beating Barnsley and Southampton?

I doubt any professional team doesn’t know ‘their roles’ these days, Murphy’s view on football is from a long time ago. The lack of reaction for their first goal when in essence it’s a simple back post run that is tracked isn’t something that can be explained by what you’re saying, Sunday league sides can stop that goal.

 

[Mike Smalling]

Does anyone find themselves not really reacting to goals against us anymore? A few years ago I would have been furious when we went down after two minutes, but yesterday it was more like "Yeah, that figures". Same with the red card.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

Some very questionable statements in your post mate.

You can quibble Onana if you don’t rate him, I do.

Malacia is a good backup left back and he’s good both ways. (Though none of the full back comments speaks to the modern trend for full backs coming inside).

We sure has hell have enough centre backs. Martinez, De Ligt and hopefully Yoro are a solid 3. The others are capable deputies imo. I’d take another young defender with potential and bin off Lindelof, Evans and Maguire.

With the forwards, Bruno, Rashford, Garnacho, Amad, Hojland, would all get decent fees. Certainly enough to remedy the midfield balance. Antony is the huge outlier. If the target truly is 2027-2028, I’d be selling Bruno and Rashford. They’ll be too old then, so why keep them? Take the pain now and reset the squad.

 

[Gums]

A decade of the same issue.. however I can’t deal with not being ready to play when the ref starts the game. No one knows why these players have that in them. These aren’t kids they are elite footballers there is no excuse not be ready when the game starts. Blame the manager blame the players does it even matter now?

I noticed today during the pre-game warmup, about 6 or 7 Spurs players, including all of their attackers, were running attacking patterns and finishing for the final 10 minutes of their warmup. While this was happening, our players were just having a couple of dead ball shots at goal. I wasn't surprised which team came out flying.

A few other things that stood out to me:

• we didn't press high from kick-off. I think EtH told us to hold back as part of his system. But it seemed more like a half-arsed, lukewarm approach. Then we concede but EtH didn't appear to change anything
• we sat way too deep from the get go. At times our whole team was in our own final third of the pitch. We were inviting a high press and had no way to release the pressure as even Zirkzee was in the middle of our own half
• after the 2nd goal our team had already positioned themselves for kickoff before Spurs had even finished celebrating in front of their fans. Nothing, no talk, no motivation, no clapping, waving, pushing, shouting. Just generally defeated already. Ridiculous. Not a single player with a temper and wanting it. No motion, all just facing the center spot.

I think all of our problems are caused by the manager and his tactical setup, his instructions and last but by far not the least, his lack of motivational skills. I feel he is bland, scared, and whatever the opposite of inspirational is. I would place a large bet on a huge new manager bounce even without knowing who would replace him. I think the team doesn't believe in him or his tactics. And I honestly can't blame them. I don't either.

 

[Woodywizz]

Does anyone find themselves not really reacting to goals against us anymore? A few years ago I would have been furious when we went down after two minutes, but yesterday it was more like "Yeah, that figures". Same with the red card.

Completely agree. Expecting mediocrity and not being surprised when it happens every single match - that’s Ten Hag’s legacy. I’m sick of seeing his “angry” face every time we are shite.

 

[AndySmith1990]

Does anyone find themselves not really reacting to goals against us anymore? A few years ago I would have been furious when we went down after two minutes, but yesterday it was more like "Yeah, that figures". Same with the red card.

Yes. Apathy set in early last season

 

[Scanny]

Does anyone find themselves not really reacting to goals against us anymore? A few years ago I would have been furious when we went down after two minutes, but yesterday it was more like "Yeah, that figures". Same with the red card.

I just tut and shrug now. I’ve been like this a while. The only goal this season conceded that made me react properly was that late goal conceded against Brighton. Otherwise it’s just expected.

 

[Red_Aaron]

It's hard to react with any enthusiasm when the players themselves seemingly aren't bothered when they concede now either

I know the game is changed and players can't get away with anything anymore but I'd still like to see at least a little bit of anger from a team getting consistently embarrassed at home. I almost wish Bruno had actually deserved his red and smashed that smarmy twat - even our sendings off are half arsed now

 

[Goggins]

Seeing now why Ugarte was not trusted by PSG for Champions League games but was a regular in the very weak Ligue 1, and seen as surplus to their requirements regardless.

Spurs aren’t exactly super reinforced concrete in the midfield area & yet they didn’t need to be exceptional to outmuscle the Utd midfield.

 

[soralapio]

Why Southgate? What’s so good about him. Still can’t wrap my head around this.

For some reason apparently Ineos really fancy him. Probably because he's an ENGLISH LION and coached the ENGLISH LIONS NATIONAL TEAM OF ENGLAND'S ENGLISH LIONS and Jim seems to be all about that.

Personally I hate the idea and think he'd be an absolutely terrible pick, but that's the United Way.

 

[VP89]

For some reason apparently Ineos really fancy him. Probably because he's an ENGLISH LION and coached the ENGLISH LIONS NATIONAL TEAM OF ENGLAND'S ENGLISH LIONS and Jim seems to be all about that.

Personally I hate the idea and think he'd be an absolutely terrible pick, but that's the United Way.

They don't fancy him it's just gossip bollocks.

Its been shut down by Ornstein months ago and just today Whitwell said although Southgate is available the only link with United is that he used to work with Ashworth for England.

 

[yamo123x]

Disgraceful from the manager and the players.

Not quite sure what the plan was? To sit back at home against an attacking Spurs team was a ridiculous approach.

ETH got it wrong and had no tactical answer. to put it right. We play the same formation every game and he does not change, we see the same flaws every game, wide players lazy, centre forward isolated, Bruno in no man's land giving the ball away at will, Mainoo looks way off it ( i dont get the massive hype), we look wide open in midfield.

very very poor again

 

[Jock Steins Boots]

For me Dalot is more at fault for the goal. He just stops and refuses to follow the Spurs player. Can even see when the goal goes in how he holds up his hand as it to admit it's his fault but yes the lack of effort from Rashford to win back the ball is alarming as well.

Actually it goes back further than Rashford, to Bruno. He started that with some shit passing that was never going to Rashford or Garnacho.

Agree with everything else though.

 

[Gandalf Greyhame]

We were lucky it stayed at only 3. A more clinical side would have had 5 or 6 - this is not too different from the 0-7 in terms of performance.

 

[Matt Varnish]

It was not a high tackle, Bruno slid on a wet pitch and basically went into free fall legs up. It may not have been obvious to the ref, but was very obvious when they showed it from other angles and VAR had to at least have told the ref to check the monitors. It was an absolutely herendous call and everybody except for Spurs fans, and apparently you, agreed

So you are saying that contact between the ankle and the knee is not a high tackle, OK noted

 

[Buster15]

For the first time in ages I simply couldn't be bothered to score the players after that atrocious display.
It was awful to watch.

And I have to say that I can't see any way back for Ten Hag now. His team is broken.

 

[Cathy Ferguson]

I don’t think that necessarily true. We’re definitely missing a goal scorer and the club just refuses to spend the money on a top striker. Given what we spent for Hojlund and Zirkzee would could have had £100m to actually get the world class striker we needed. Heck even Toney was available for £40m.

Also think LB is a major issue, akin to England in the summer. It was obvious to sign a LB with two players who can’t stay fit in that position. But alas only United would think signing 2 CBs and a RB would resolve our defensive issues.

Plus a host of midfielders who can control and pass the ball. Mainoo can do it but his positioning is questionable at times. But then our entire midfield is the same so maybe that’s coming from the manager.

Höjlund and Rasford: midtable, pace but poor close contol.

Garnacho: high ceiling but still young.

Amad and Zirkzee: midtable, no pace but good close control. Similar to Eriksen and Casemiro.

Mainoo: lacks pace.

Bruno and Mount: in decline or poor form.

Ugarte: too early.

Defence is better but our midfield and attack is midtable. Even 8th spot might be beyond this team.

 

[Rolaholic]

 

[IRN-BRUno]

Thought the result was bad enough, now I see from the list of subs here that we've re-signed Martial!

 

[Maticmaker]

Sir Jim and Co. are approaching another a 'stick or twist' situation, even more than they were at the end of last season.

It wasn't just the manner of the defeat last night, that was obvious from our players reaction to the first goal onward; it was the lack of any realistic attempt at provoking a reaction on the field... and off it.

Players kept making the same mistakes on field, always on the back foot, poor passing became the norm, at times there was almost a sense of players saying "don't give it me". Off the field no sign of any changes. Dalot charging up field even when Spurs were countering quickly, and therefore clearly leaving the back four off balance, was not apparently receiving any instructions from the bench to desist. The mid field resistance was minimal and Mainoo and Ugarte constantly being pulled out of position to support Spurs 'barnstorming' attacks down the flanks.

ETH has been told he will get his contract honoured, but if we start to slide towards the relegation zone, which starts to look more likely than not if last nights offering was anything to go by, that 'stick or twist' decision will return, with a vengeance.

 

[jasT1981]

One of the worst I've seen from Utd in a very long time. No heart, no desire and no care.

It's clear the manager has lost the players and the players don't care as long as their massive weekly wage appears in their accounts.

One thing I am surprised about, no word about appealing Bruno red card. Any other club would be making noise and stating how they intend to appeal as soon as the game was over, but nothing from us. No other team would have sat back and accepted that decission.