Let's see if Coutinho is wise enough to choose whether its better to play alongside Messi or Sturridge.
Philippe Coutinho
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He might not have a choice in all honesty. I don't see him leaving this summer. If LFC know Barcelona are armed with £200m they will demand probably £100m+ and if we don't sign Keita it makes a sale even less likely. FSG kept Suarez against his will and look how volatile he is, Coutinho IMO is not the type to force a move.
Yeah that's fair. Would you describe Barcelona as the former or the latter? If it's the latter then maybe Coutinho would struggle in that side.
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I actually think he would be a better fit for Madrid but Barcas problem is not knowing what they are. They have Neymar doing the legwork but it's all for nothing because Iniesta leaves gaps because of his age and Messi just doesn't do it.
It'll take one game when Coutinho is taking shot after shot for Messi to get pissed that he's not recycling the ball to him.
He should stay where he is, hell join PSG in two years when his best friend is king of Paris
I actually think he would be a better fit for Madrid but Barcas problem is not knowing what they are. They have Neymar doing the legwork but it's all for nothing because Iniesta leaves gaps because of his age and Messi just doesn't do it.
It'll take one game when Coutinho is taking shot after shot for Messi to get pissed that he's not recycling the ball to him.
He should stay where he is, hell join PSG in two years when his best friend is king of Paris
Coutinho won't be taking 50 shots per march for Barca. I think the freedom in 'Pool helps him.
It's a friendly... Let's wait for the season to start before passing judgement (I say that of our own players too)
Before reading this thread I knew that this would somehow turn into a Coutinho vs. Pogba debate, and of course I was not proven wrong.
If Coutinho leaves for Barca it will likely be because Neymar has left. Is Coutinho a step down from Neymar? Of course he is, but so is almost every other player in the world. I think Coutinho has the toolkit to thrive at Barca, but I don't know how balanced their squad is anymore compared to previous years. I did not watch them much last year.
If Coutinho leaves for Barca it will likely be because Neymar has left. Is Coutinho a step down from Neymar? Of course he is, but so is almost every other player in the world. I think Coutinho has the toolkit to thrive at Barca, but I don't know how balanced their squad is anymore compared to previous years. I did not watch them much last year.
Best attacking player in the league when on form. Let's just hope he stays reasonably inconsistent if he remains at Liverpool.
You can count on it.
No he isn't. Hazard is.
How many goals did Dele Ali score last season, must be a lot more than Coutinho. Hazard is a far better player as well.
Brought up earlier, Coutinho and Mata are a fair comparison in respect of position, the Brazilian is clearly the better player.
Brought up earlier, Coutinho and Mata are a fair comparison in respect of position, the Brazilian is clearly the better player.
No he isn't. Coutinho is too inconsistent and has won feck all since joining Liverpool.
Honestly don't understand how people can overrate these players when they've won nothing. Mata has won every trophy bar the Premier League including the World Cup. He's the best attacking midfielder in the Premier League in my opinion. I wouldn't swap him for anyone.
Sanchez is clearly better as well.
Yeah both on another level.
Its not all about winning is it?! Therefore, the likes of Kane & Ali are not as good a players who have won more. The obvious one is Gerrard vs Anderson - who has the better medal collection? But clearly Gerrard was the better player. May, Gibson, Blomquist, O'Shea etc etc have won leagues with Utd - amd there were plenty of players playing for other teams at the time who were far better. Compare Cole to Shearer - the latter won hardly anything, but was by far the bettet player. RVN won hardly anything for us, but was one of the very best strikers in the world.
Mata is nowhere near the best attacking midfielder in the PL, he doesn't even get to play on his beat position at Utd and doesn't even make the Spain squad anymore. He's a very good player, but there are lots of better players in the PL.
Mata is nowhere near the best attacking midfielder in the PL, he doesn't even get to play on his beat position at Utd and doesn't even make the Spain squad anymore. He's a very good player, but there are lots of better players in the PL.
Good post.
Why are you using trophies won as evidence of how good a player is? If we use your logic then Cahill is a better defender than Bailly, because Cahill has won the league and Champions League whilst Bailly hasn't. Wayne Rooney won the Europa League and the EFL Cup last season, Harry Kane won nothing. Which of them would you say is currently the better player?
Mata is a very good player but that has very little (if anything) to do with the trophies he's won.
There is no logic in debating how good a player is by looking at how many trophies they've won since football is a team sport. Counting trophies to judge the skill of a tennis player is perfectly valid, not so much for a footballer.
I'm not even sure an on-form Coutinho is better than a run of the mill De Bryune performance.
Cahill is currently the better player than Bailly. Bailly is showing potential but still Cahill is more experienced.
How else do we judge players if not on trophies? You're judged on what you win. Simple as that. Kane has technically got Golden Boot awards.
Coutinho is a good player but he's not as good as the likes of Hazard, Sanchez, Eriksen, Mata, Silva, De Bruyne and Alli. Liverpool fans have a habit of hyping up their players as "the best in the league"... they haven't got Suarez anymore so now it's Coutinho. When he fecks off, it'll be Mane or Salah. Yet none of them can win trophies for them... funny that.
Course there is. That's what your career is defined by. How many medals you've won.
None of these Liverpool players have anything to show for themselves. They're overrated by their fans and the media, it's as simple as that.
This is such a ridiculous viewpoint. Do you remember David May in that photo in Barcelona. There were probably a dozen better CBs or RBs than him in the PL - but he won more than them all.
Lukaku - what did he win at Everton? Sum total of sweet FA - yet we just blew £75m on him, what an utter waste of money becuuse he's never won a thing.
Seems like you are underrating players just because they play for Liverpool - weo do need to have some perspective, they finished higher than us in the league.
They finished higher in the league because Mourinho threw the games against Arsenal and Spurs to focus on the Europa Final. That is a fact. But Liverpool fans choose to overlook this despite Klopp doing the exact same thing 2 seasons ago..... Except him and his "brilliant players" choked in the final.... unlike us.
Like I said about Kane, Lukaku has the individual stats that prove his brilliance. Whereas Coutinho does not. Was he even in the Team of the Season? No he wasn't. Yet he's the best attacker in the league? Give me a break. Sigurdsson was even better than him last season. Now there's a good player in a "shit team".
What???
Are we bidding on him now?
Are we bidding on him now?
I think Couthinho is a little bit overrated but, there is no way Mata is better. De Bruyne is better though.
@joybomb - Look at you spouting things as fact! You sound like Rafa.
Your getting caught up persisting with your bizarre opinion. Sanchez didn't win much for Arsenal last season did he? I wouldn't want to sign him.
Nothing wrong with thinking Coutinho is not as good as Mata - that's what forums are for. But its ridiculous to say he's not as good because he's not won any medals and then claim other players who are in exactly the same position are actually good because of 'stats' or that they are in the team of the year.
Your getting caught up persisting with your bizarre opinion. Sanchez didn't win much for Arsenal last season did he? I wouldn't want to sign him.
Nothing wrong with thinking Coutinho is not as good as Mata - that's what forums are for. But its ridiculous to say he's not as good because he's not won any medals and then claim other players who are in exactly the same position are actually good because of 'stats' or that they are in the team of the year.
Bailly is a better CB than Cahill and I'm sure most would agree with me on that.
We judge players based on what they do on the pitch if we're looking at them individually. Football is a team sport so how can you possibly judge one player based on trophies won? Djimi Traore won the Champions League in 2005 and the FA Cup in 2006. During that same period Rio Ferdinand won the League Cup. Are you telling me that you think Djimi Traore was a better defender than Ferdinand from 2005-2006 because Traore had a more impressive trophy haul?
No Liverpool fans have claimed that Coutinho is better than all of those players, or that we have the best in the league in any position at the moment. You're just upset that a few United fans on here would prefer Coutinho to Mata based on recent form.
Just to clarify, Suarez wasn't the best player in the league in 13-14 because Liverpool didn't win anything? 31 goals and 14 assists but none of that matters because (through no fault of his own) we fell apart in two games...
Would be a huge downgrade on Neymar(like many would tbf).
Hello Captain Obvious! :-) I don't think there is anyone who can replace Neymar. With both Messi and Suarez approaching 30 - very strange if Barca sell him, although he's never seemed particularly loved (from am outside viewpoint).
Aubumeyang(sp) would make more sense as a quick fix. And Mbappe and Dembele would make more sense as long term replacements.
What choice do they have?Auba isn't as good out wide imo. Also I think he wants massive wages. Don't think any club will give him that.
I really think Mbappe has his heart set on Real, but him to Barca would be interesting.
They have no choice really if PSG meet the release clause. Can only hope for Neymar to reject the move.
I agree though. Going on various forums of theirs, he does seem liked less than Suarez.
In his case though form equals 1 game in 5
They can offer him a new contract and increase his release clause. Which is probably the most likely outcome.
They have just done that haven't they?
What I don't understand is why Barcelona thought it was a good idea to have a release clause that low for a player of his calibre, it sounds crazy saying that low but doesn't Ronaldo have something like a 900m release clause.
Until a few weeks ago no one thought anyone would be crazy enough to pay that release clause.
Traore wasn't a first team player. He was a squad player.
Mata and Coutinho are first team players and Mata is more successful and has better stats to back it up. Mata since joining the Premier League is the statistically the best number 10 in the league.
Suarez won the Golden Boot. What has Coutinho done? A long shot here and there and then he goes missing for about 5 games. He's a one trick pony and too inconsistent to be named amongst the best.
Since you're all about the statistics, Gylfi Sigurdsson is better than Coutinho.
As for Bailly being better than Cahill... what's that based on? Cahill is an experienced CB with a Champions League and 2 Premier League's to his name. There is nothing to suggest Bailly is the better defender.
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