Philippe Coutinho

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CechMate1 said:
Am i the only one that feels Coutinho is quite overrated? Don't get me wrong he's a talented player but I wouldn't classify him as one of the best in the League like a few people do

He seems to have a few months each season where he looks absolutely brilliant but then completely disappears for the rest of it. He'll score an absolute stunner and make a ridiculously good pass now and again but there's no consistency.
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he took a while to get going after his injury but he's been brilliant for a while now under Klopp, his production has gone up another level. If you were talking about Coutinho in the 14/15 season who scored the odd worldie and had a brilliant couple months followed by a lacklustre couple I'd agree. This however is a different Coutinho, hopefully he stays injury free next season as I think if he does he will really prove himself as one of the real top players in the league.

wouldn't even contemplate selling him or any other top players we're going to go nowhere if we keep selling, we need to bridge the gap with signings on top of what we already have, not make the gap harder to bridge.
 
We have said he isn't for sale, so hopefully that is enough.
He doesn't have clauses in the contract that Suarez had.

I guess ultimately in the seasons to come we need success on the pitch for him to be happy to stay.
Barcelona is a massive draw for anyone.
 
christinaa said:
Klopp said that Liverpool are NOT a selling club. :)
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Liverpool's best four players from the last 10 years. I suppose it's good to have aspirations though...
 
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witchtrials said:
Liverpool's best four players from the last 10 years. I suppose it's good to have aspiratons though...
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Torres was past it, and the Sterling fee, at the time, was way too much to ignore.

The other two sucked balls, though.
 
Tommy said:
Torres was past it, and the Sterling fee, at the time, was way too much to ignore.

The other two sucked balls, though.
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Mascherano was another one even if he didn't reach Alonso, Torres, and Suarez levels. 24m was a good price at the time, it's safe to say that's changed a bit.
 
If they lose Coutinho, while they're struggling to get the rest of their primary transfer targets, they might as well just pack it in. The rebuilding would start right back over.

So much for Trust in Klopp
 
Playing style wise(and not in quality) he's a bit like Ronaldinho rather than Iniesta in my opinion. He's a lot more direct than Iniesta and has that Brazilian flair, obviously Ronaldinho was in different class altogether.
 
The Bloody-Nine said:
I find it hilarious how fans now deem any reasonably good player as being worth £100 million. List of players who have actually been transferred for £100 million? None.
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I'd agree with you but if it was I managing the club I would ask £100m for Countinho because that's his price that I can say, 'oh well they paid his value'. Key word being value because that has changed from 'his worth as a talent/ability on the pitch' to 'I don't need the money + added cost to replace, time to integrate, risk of that and time lost building the synergy again'.

Value nowadays is more like 40% transfer fee (of 'old' market price) + 30% inflation due to tv deals + another 30% for the hassle of the club that doesn't need the money. Basically, 'You want my player? Pay a ridiculous price or get fecked'.
 
Adisa said:
Can't see Barca raising that offer.
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Does any team make one offer and then back off unless they get a categorical refusal (which it seems they have been given as far as Coutinho is concerned)? If so they weren't really interested in the first place.
 
CechMate1 said:
Am i the only one that feels Coutinho is quite overrated? Don't get me wrong he's a talented player but I wouldn't classify him as one of the best in the League like a few people do

He seems to have a few months each season where he looks absolutely brilliant but then completely disappears for the rest of it. He'll score an absolute stunner and make a ridiculously good pass now and again but there's no consistency.
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Yeah. His technique is top notch, but his mind isn't up to it. Inconsistent, sometimes awfully bad decision-making — but on his day he is pretty much unplayable. I don't know how he is supposed to replace Iniesta though
 
So if the Neymar being done rumour is true then I'm expecting an £80m then £90m then £100m offer soon. We'll hold out until it gets silly at around £120m. Barca won't want to be seen as going into the season badly weakened.
 
Coutinho won't be leaving in this window. We'll simply take the same stance that RBL have taken over Keita.
 
Unlike Liepzig we have players that can make up for the loss of Coutinho (namely Lallana). Plus we'll use that money for another 'star' replacement either this window or January or next summer. If the offer is silly money and Coutinho has his heart set then we won't be cnuts like Liepzig are with Keita's wishes.
 
Stacks said:
Hes as good as our Pogba IMO so it depends on the system they play and whether it gets the most out of him. Bar his injury, he was on course to being in the team of the season most probably.
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Coutinho is a very good player, but nowhere near as good as Pogba.
 
Dumbstar said:
Unlike Liepzig we have players that can make up for the loss of Coutinho (namely Lallana). Plus we'll use that money for another 'star' replacement either this window or January or next summer. If the offer is silly money and Coutinho has his heart set then we won't be cnuts like Liepzig are with Keita's wishes.
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You genuinely think there's a chance we'll sell this window?

I can't see it happening at all personally.
 
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That was a different time though, no doubt.

The explosion in finances in the PL in just the last three years alone has changed things.

They will not sell him this summer. No way.

If he cries, maybe they sell next summer but for mega money. Mega.

It's 2017.
 
I think his match-by-match impact is overstated by some Liverpool fans - for me, Mane's their best, most consistent player. But he's a match-winner and I don't see who they could realistically bring in this window to replace that.
 
balaks said:
Is he really good enough for Barcelona?
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I really think so- he's the most technically adept player they have at Liverpool. he's really very good and I fully expect Liverpool to struggle big time to keep him
 
Barca are too late I think. His market value will be somewhere around 120m, if not slightly more.

I can see this turning into a DDG type situation, whereby the suitors are clearly interested but unwilling to match the club's valuation. Add into the mix that Coutinho doesn't seem the kind of player to kick up a fuss (at least not publicly) then a transfer could be unlikely. Having said that, there's more reasons for him to go than to stay so a lot of it will depend on how Liverpool fare in the future.
 
Godspeed, Barca. It's always good to see Liverpool lose their best players.
 
shabadu84 said:
I think his match-by-match impact is overstated by some Liverpool fans - for me, Mane's their best, most consistent player. But he's a match-winner and I don't see who they could realistically bring in this window to replace that.
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I don't think our fans rate him as highly as some opposition fans do, based on what I've seen and heard.

I do agree that his match-by-match contribution is overstated though. It took him ages to show any form when he came back from injury last season.
 
Dumbstar said:
So if the Neymar being done rumour is true then I'm expecting an £80m then £90m then £100m offer soon. We'll hold out until it gets silly at around £120m. Barca won't want to be seen as going into the season badly weakened.
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You think Barca will go that high? Good player or not, if they offer that much you have to snap their hand off. Problem would be, other clubs would know you are flush and try and fleece you when you look to replace him. Football really has gone barmy..
 
Stacks said:
Hes as good as our Pogba IMO so it depends on the system they play and whether it gets the most out of him. Bar his injury, he was on course to being in the team of the season most probably.
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He really isn't as good as Pogba.
 
Klopper76 said:
I don't think our fans rate him as highly as some opposition fans do, based on what I've seen and heard.

I do agree that his match-by-match contribution is overstated though. It took him ages to show any form when he came back from injury last season.
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Think that's fair, he has had many highlight-reel goals in big matches so that's more likely to stand out to rival fans.

In the Barca team, he'd do well because he won't need to be "on" every match - there's more talent around him that can compensate. We already know he can link up well with Suarez, pretty sure he can adapt to Messi.
 
I could see this being a £90m deal rising to 100 with addons. They could offer the same or little less and get O. Dembele for that IMHO
 
shabadu84 said:
I think his match-by-match impact is overstated by some Liverpool fans - for me, Mane's their best, most consistent player. But he's a match-winner and I don't see who they could realistically bring in this window to replace that.
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You should read the comments of Utd fans then. When Coutinho is out injured apparently we're fecked. I've been saying all season that Mane is head, shoulders, knees and toes better than Coutinho and most other players in the PL, or at least more important.

@haram seems to think Coutinho is only worth £60m in this market. There's a lot of cluelessness on this site. I'm not surprised, considering the site I'm on. ;)
 
Dumbstar said:
You should read the comments of Utd fans then. When Coutinho is out injured apparently we're fecked. I've been saying all season that Mane is head, shoulders, knees and toes better than Coutinho and most other players in the PL, or at least more important.

@haram seems to think Coutinho is only worth £60m in this market. There's a lot of cluelessness on this site. I'm not surprised, considering the site I'm on. ;)
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I said around half £120 million. Maybe £75 million max. He certainly isnt worth £120 million.
 
haram said:
I said around half £120 million. Maybe £75 million max. He certainly isnt worth £120 million.
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Is Lukaku worth £75m? Of course he isn't. But he is if you want to actually BUY him. Then you pay. Is Coutinho worth £120m? Of course he isn't. No football player on earth is. But is that the amount it will take to BUY him? Of course it is. Otherwise walk away, son. Walk away.
 
Stacks said:
Hes as good as our Pogba IMO so it depends on the system they play and whether it gets the most out of him. Bar his injury, he was on course to being in the team of the season most probably.
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Pogba really is a far better player tbh
 
Dumbstar said:
Is Lukaku worth £75m? Of course he isn't. But he is if you want to actually BUY him. Then you pay. Is Coutinho worth £120m? Of course he isn't. No football player on earth is. But is that the amount it will take to BUY him? Of course it is. Otherwise walk away, son. Walk away.
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Ok. I'm just saying he isn't worth the £120 million.
 
It's quite tiring to always see those 'he's not worth that' comments. It's doesn't matter what he's really worth, what only matters is how much the buyer is willing to pay. Same with the 'they did not deserve to win' comments. It doesn't matter if they deserved it or not, what matters is the result.
 
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