If we manage to pull off a complete muppet signing like Neymar, only for Barcelona to replace him with Liverpool's best player, I will laugh my ass off 
Philippe Coutinho
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If we manage to pull off a complete muppet signing like Neymar, only for Barcelona to replace him with Liverpool's best player, I will laugh my ass off
Don't worry, your ass is staying on.
They'd still be uber dangerous with a Cputin
The same reason they blew 30 plus million on Alexis and Fabregas. Plus most recently Andre Gomes, yet they didn't really need them. If you really believe Coutinho will okay if Neymar stays and Iniesta is still around at Barca: be my guessed. I sure hope Coutinho is smart enough to know better
How come he didn't look anything like a Kaka during his Inter stint? Not even a budget Kaka?
With Neymar looking increasingly likely to go to PSG, I think this transfer looks more and more likely to happen now.
It'll be in the region of £80-90m, a figure the club can't really turn down. They're around £150m in debt and the FSG hedge fund will see that as a way of servicing some of it.
It's a dream move for him. I didn't think he was ready for the step up as he's too inconsistent but perhaps being surrounded by world class players at Barcelona he can find that consistency.
I may be wrong however, as I am regularly told that Liverpool are not a selling club and don't sell their best players. We will have to wait and see.
It'll be in the region of £80-90m, a figure the club can't really turn down. They're around £150m in debt and the FSG hedge fund will see that as a way of servicing some of it.
It's a dream move for him. I didn't think he was ready for the step up as he's too inconsistent but perhaps being surrounded by world class players at Barcelona he can find that consistency.
I may be wrong however, as I am regularly told that Liverpool are not a selling club and don't sell their best players. We will have to wait and see.
According to?
Wonder how his mentality might be affected if he wants to go and Liverpool won't sell.
Well yesterday his mentality was affected by producing a sublime assist and scoring a cracking goal. Best player on the pitch...about 12 hours after initial bid
Traore was a regular starter and played in the Champions League final in 05.
If you're talking about stats then fine, but originally you were deciding who was better based entirely on who had won what, which is ridiculous when judging a player in a team sport. Using Mata's stats to show that he is better than Coutinho is a better argument than using what he's won.
I don't know why you keep trying to suggest that I think Coutinho is the best in the league, I haven't said that anywhere. I actually think Mane and to a lesser extent Lallana had better seasons than Coutinho. It's not unreasonable to say that Sigurdsson had a better season than him either based on his numbers.
I can't believe you rate Cahill more than Bailly. I think the latter had a better season last year and currently a better defender than Cahill is.
Some of the Coutinho underrating here is quite funny. I understand he's a Liverpool player but all bias aside he's a gem of a player.
The only players in the league that are undoubtedly better than him imo are Hazard, Sanchez, KDB, Aguero, Kante and probably Kane due to his consistency.
I believe Klopp plans to use him centrally this season and I believe its his best position. He certainly is good enough for Barca but as an Iniesta replacement and not for Neymar.
The only players in the league that are undoubtedly better than him imo are Hazard, Sanchez, KDB, Aguero, Kante and probably Kane due to his consistency.
I believe Klopp plans to use him centrally this season and I believe its his best position. He certainly is good enough for Barca but as an Iniesta replacement and not for Neymar.
Come to a Coutinho and read that Gary fecking Cahill is better than Bailly, ok
Probably just showing Barca he's worth a higher bid.
Like @haram says, he's not worth more than £72m. I'd probably have him around £50m.
I said he was worth £75 million max, and certainly not worth £120 million. You're making shit little snide remarks because he's scored and assisted in a pre season game? Does that validate him as £120 million player?
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We're not talking about what defines your career, we're talking about a players individual quality. And that isn't defined just by how many medals they have, that's absurd.
Your logic can be applied to every player in the world and there are countless examples that proves you wrong, many of which have already been mentioned.
Shearer wouldn't have been a better player if he had done exactly the same things he did for Newcastle at United for example. He would have played for a much better team though and that would have been the reason he would have lifted trophies, not his individual skill. Someone like RVP is the perfect example of this.
He's hugely overrated, and i dont just say that as a United fan. He's nothing special, he scores the odd wonder goal but goes missing far too often.
If this season he is played in midfield which is his best position you will see how good he is with Mane and Salah ahead of him.
UEFA lists them with a debt of $174m, SwissRamble with a net debt of £126,3m.
Quality trolling by Le Tiss.
They're still in debt from the purchase of the club. It was funded with loans. It's a great model. Buy asset with bank debt. Use asset revenue streams to repay debt. No risk to owner. They'll be looking to get this debt reduced and the sale of Coutinho is an opportunity to do this.
Anyway, the fact that Barcelona have made the bid and are likely to increase the bid suggests that they've already agreed terms with the player. They aren't going away.
He should think about his career. Move to Barcelona would be great for it.
LFC is only in debt of around £90m, which is not a lot in comparison to similar clubs. If as you say FSG bought the club with loans from banks, selling Coutinho is counter productive as that likely decreases the value of LFC and makes us less competitive. FSG don't take money out of the club. Barcelona likely have agreed terms with Coutinho but that means nothing, do you honestly believe that LFC will sell Coutinho if we can't land Keita or Van Djik? It is likely we wouldn't sell him even if we signed those players so I'd say it's impossible that we sell him without signing those players I listed. Coutinho is not the type of player to kick up a stink and force through a move and even if he did I doubt FSG will risk upsetting Klopp given that Klopp has said he is not for sale at any price after talks with FSG.
A bit like us with Keita, but it hasn't stopped RBL from rejecting every bid that comes in. We won't sell Coutinho this window, maybe next summer though if he has a good season.
I know Coutinho played there. As a young prospect and he is clearly a superior player to then. Pogba is used for his attacking contributions, hence why we have players there to support/unleash him. apparently his best position is advanced out of a midfield 3, thus he can be compared to an attacking midfielder, since his goal contributions (chances created, goals, assists) are what his team will be expecting
Pogba is expected to play box to box role, not just attacking. Coutinho is completely different.
I dunno, maybe because he was teenager finding his feet, you know, young prospect? thats like comparing 19 year old Harry Kane to 23 year old Kane. If you think Coutinho now is the same player as in 2008 then I cry for you.
I think he is Liverpool's best player and barcelona would do well to have him. It will take 100 million i think to get him.
I like the player but unconvinced he would be a good fit. Traditionally speaking, he plays really as a left winger or in the Iniesta role but both spots are occupied. Even as an heir to Iniesta, I don't believe he possesses the sort of game to play that role similarly - he's more of an attacker than a player who controls tempo and directs play.
Still, under Valverde not sure how he might best use a player like Coutinho when there is already a number of decisions to be made concerning how to use Rafinha, Denis, Iniesta, Roberto, Sergio, Gomes, Rakitic, Arda, Mascherano, Samper & Aleñá
Before season stat, I expect there to be a lot of changes in midfield. By comparison, Pep used to have a squad with 5 midfielders + 1-2 youth mids
Still, under Valverde not sure how he might best use a player like Coutinho when there is already a number of decisions to be made concerning how to use Rafinha, Denis, Iniesta, Roberto, Sergio, Gomes, Rakitic, Arda, Mascherano, Samper & Aleñá
Before season stat, I expect there to be a lot of changes in midfield. By comparison, Pep used to have a squad with 5 midfielders + 1-2 youth mids
I rate de bruyne, hazard, silva and sanchez above him and the likes of delle alli and Eriksen just a smidgen below.
He has another gear in him though. If things fall into place for him, he is talented enough that he could become player of the year in this league.
He has another gear in him though. If things fall into place for him, he is talented enough that he could become player of the year in this league.
The list of players united shouting be buying must be very small in Jaybombs worldwide. If they haven't won trophies they aren't any good.
A wonder united ever signed van Persie. He clearly wasn't very good at the time.
A wonder united ever signed van Persie. He clearly wasn't very good at the time.
For that role, I'd have Eriksen as a safer bet, also defensively.
Coutinho has done well occasionally in that role in the past, and apparently we are planning to use him like that this season. Not really clear how suited he is for the role though.
Of course, I am a fan of Coutinho but agree with your comments - especially on Eriksen
For me Coutinho is a truly special talent and I personally think he has the talent to be a better player than the likes of Silva, De Bruyne, Eriksen.
All those players are close to their maximum potential in terms of performance levels, whereas he has the ability to go up several notches. It is not guaranteed that will happen but he does have a higher ceiling than all of them.
@FCBarca my concern with him isn't tactical fit.. it is more a personality issue. Does he have the mentality to play his natural game at a club the size of Barcelona or is he more comfortable being the big fish at a small pond. That is what will determine how good a fit Coutinho really is.
If he plays close to his natural game and performance level at Liverpool, then Barca have brought themselves an absolute game changer. You worry if he can take on Iniesta's mantle, but I would argue he can give you guys a different dimension as he is more direct with the ball, yet still can control the flow of the game and would give you guys 10 goals a season too.
If you kept hold of Neymar, and Coutinho settled in well.. you guys would win the Champions League.
I think next year after the world cup, the big clubs will be able to judge if Coutinho has a big player mentality and can play under pressure of huge expectation. If he crumbles, he'll stay at Liverpool but if he succeeds, Barca will be all over him and rightfully so.
In the modern game, based purely on playing style Verratti and Coutinho are the perfect Xavi and Iniesta replacements.
All those players are close to their maximum potential in terms of performance levels, whereas he has the ability to go up several notches. It is not guaranteed that will happen but he does have a higher ceiling than all of them.
@FCBarca my concern with him isn't tactical fit.. it is more a personality issue. Does he have the mentality to play his natural game at a club the size of Barcelona or is he more comfortable being the big fish at a small pond. That is what will determine how good a fit Coutinho really is.
If he plays close to his natural game and performance level at Liverpool, then Barca have brought themselves an absolute game changer. You worry if he can take on Iniesta's mantle, but I would argue he can give you guys a different dimension as he is more direct with the ball, yet still can control the flow of the game and would give you guys 10 goals a season too.
If you kept hold of Neymar, and Coutinho settled in well.. you guys would win the Champions League.
I think next year after the world cup, the big clubs will be able to judge if Coutinho has a big player mentality and can play under pressure of huge expectation. If he crumbles, he'll stay at Liverpool but if he succeeds, Barca will be all over him and rightfully so.
In the modern game, based purely on playing style Verratti and Coutinho are the perfect Xavi and Iniesta replacements.
@Raees It's true that Coutinho & Neymar are good friends but also true that Philippe is a much more subdued personality on/off the pitch. Also concur that he gives a different dimension in the Iniesta role than the Don but not sure that is ideal for what Barcelona like to play - you have to really have a two way midfielder to play that way or play with a double pivot IMHO. He'll never get the time on the ball he currently enjoys at Liverpool and so would need to assert his game in moments when teamed up with Messi & Suarez - would he thrive in that role? Not convinced tbh. So I think it's more a question of fit & playing style that makes Coutinho perhaps not the ideal option for Barcelona, Neymar or Neyless
Just remember mate, the Liverpool season where they had Sturridge, Sterling and Suarez, as well as Coutinho.
He thrived in such an attacking system, where had the space to spray passes and it was some of the most stunning football the premier league had seen for some time.
He's a player who thrives with other attacking players of a flair mindset, and pace.. it is more the pressure aspect of it being Barcelona which is the big test.
If MSN were at Liverpool and lets just say they could afford to miss out on titles here and there, they'd work together like a dream.
Cheers for the perspective
I'd have him at United.
Will laugh my tits off if he leaves Liverpool. It'd nicely break up their plans
Will laugh my tits off if he leaves Liverpool. It'd nicely break up their plans
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