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Its the biggest disease of our board.
There's no doubt in my mind he's getting an extension. Its written in the stars.
Kante is not a CB. A starting CB bought at the same time was John Stones and he cost £50m which is almost twice the 30m we paid for Bailly. The price tag wasnt a bargain but people should not act like we bought a top quality CB
Its funny how you are referring to his 4th season, when Bailly has barely been here for 2.5 seasons. Its obvious you are trying to stretch perspective to make a your point seem more important than it is.
Bailly had a very good first season, but had injuries disrupt his second year. This year he has been limited cos we dont have the right kind of experienced CB to pair with him. Still he is only 24 and a very good CB for his age.
Phil Jones has been here for 7.5 season and there is enough record of his injury problems. Same cannot be said yet of Bailly andntry to equate them is just being disingenous.
What does that have to do with everything?
I said your comments didn't appear lately, but during his good form which was almost one year ago, and then I searched for your posts praising him and those were coincidentally from that period, and would eventually happen again once we face shit opposition, you will come here saying same shit again how he is usually good when fit and better than our other CBs.
Uhm, no. I changed my mind on Jones quite some time ago. Also, I can’t remember to have interacted with you before - this is utter bizarre! I’ll make sure to remember your name now though..
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...united-veto-jose-mourinho-wishlist-cash-fears
Am I ?
I'll even quote the this gem from the article verbatim, with information Woodward was all too eager to give the pressure the day the transfer window shut:
"....To Mourinho’s intense irritation, United’s conclusion was that in most cases he had targeted defenders who were no better than those they already had and who, in today’s inflated market, could conceivably have cost upwards of £70m without vastly improving the team."
That included the likes of Maguire and Alderwereld. Y'all need to get your head out of your collective arses with your 'mourinho is to blame alone' complex and stop boring us with dumb shit like 'but he bought Bailly and Lindeloff", when its beyond obvious to anyone serious its NOT them he desires to replace....
Of course you bloody would! In your book everything wrong at United can only be 'down to Mourinho" Which is just to fecking stupid if you actually play attention to what happens with our relationship recruitment...
It took Klopp how long to replace the likes of Mignolet and Lovren as first choice at Pool? Even Pep it took him till Laporte last January to find the type of CB he wanted to build his defense aroun? It took him two seasons to replace a goal keeper. But suddenly Mourinho 'didn't do his home work' for taking this long to ask for them to be replaced. Worse he is some how to blame for them still being at the club yet he asked for new CBS and defenders in the summer?
some of y'all just don't get how stupid you sound with this anti mourinho bias of yours.
He's not unlucky. Just basic stuff, some of them. Look at the one against Spurs? That's a professional.
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He's our very own Frank Sinclair.
its funny how you have selectively picked signings by some arbitrary criteria of teams that have been in the CL semis as if those teams got there on the strength of defenders bought in 2016. Ramos was bought for a record fee as a teenager 13yrs ago but now he is relevant to compare him to bailly's signing? Its ridiculous how low some are willing to stoop.
Lets look at more relevant signings into PL 2016.
- bailly for 30m from Villarreal in la liga
- john stones for 50m from everton. similar age, better player but much higher price tag
- David luiz for 34m. older, and more matured. he was actually sold to psg for 50m two seasons prior.
While price is not a guaranteed factor for quality, as you will see bargain signings and overpayment at times, still it can give a good idea of what the market was like when the player was bought.
Bailly was not a bargain but he was not some world class CB as well. We paid a reasonable price and after one good season and one injury riddled second, it is still early to determine how he would pan out long term.
Utter bollocks.
You can check my post history, as much as I think Mourinho has been a total failure and should have been sacked months ago, he's in no way the only problem. From the board to the players we're a mess all over.
Big Sam is less than impressed with how Jones' career turned out
https://www.goal.com/en/news/jones-...arsenal-or-man-city/2hdsi6npw7le1l21eti3z03sx
“Sir Alex said to me in his [Jones’] early days at United, ‘wow, Sam, I’ve got a great player here’.
“But it hasn’t quite worked out for him.
“I think sometimes he hasn’t quite learned from his experiences, he’s still got that edginess, that diving in type of attitude when he should leave it alone.
“I’m slightly disappointed he hasn’t been as big as I expected him to be."
https://www.goal.com/en/news/jones-...arsenal-or-man-city/2hdsi6npw7le1l21eti3z03sx
“Sir Alex said to me in his [Jones’] early days at United, ‘wow, Sam, I’ve got a great player here’.
“But it hasn’t quite worked out for him.
“I think sometimes he hasn’t quite learned from his experiences, he’s still got that edginess, that diving in type of attitude when he should leave it alone.
“I’m slightly disappointed he hasn’t been as big as I expected him to be."
I am sorry you are wrong there. He is our very own Frank Spencer
Haha. All leads to the same a comedy goon!! Good banter
It’s a good question. I remember SAF saying that he thought Jones was potentially a better footballer than John Terry (who was actually pretty underrated on the ball) . His first season was generally positive and in his second he had some good games, particularly as a midfielder against Fellaini and Ronaldo. Since Sir Alex left I honestly can’t remember a sustained period of 5-10 matches where he’s looked the part. Some will say he looked decent with Rojo and Blind at some points but I can’t remember him ever really being that impressive.
You can't be a good centre back if you make the number of catastrophic errors that he does. Maybe he could make it sitting in front of a back four or as a right back but not in a team with Champions League ambitions.
As they say,follow the m̶o̶n̶e̶y̶ Moyes.
WTF!!!
During the match, I really lost my shit when Jones scored the 2nd goal, after assisting the 1st.
I'm sick and tired of his own goals and the mistakes every single match, which generally lead to a goal...against us.
How can any sane person say that Jones is decent, on any level?
If Jones was a security guard whose job was to prevent jewels being stolen, he'd not only end up allowing the jewels to be stolen, but he'd probably assist the robbers in implementing a successful getaway!
The guy should never ever play for us again....even in a friendly.
I'd rather use a U16 player than Jones.
Every game he starts for us, we basically have to accept that he will make a mistake which will see us concede.
I've seen many defenders in my time and Jones is the worst. I challenge anybody to name me a defender who makes a critical mistake every match, which ends up in a goal, for the opponent.
Fecking Jones - assisting the 1st goal, but got worried that we may make a comeback, so scored the 2nd goal. Fecking shit!!!
I disagree with the bolded part.
Every match, he will make a crucial mistake. He is trash 100% of the time!
We could've been top of the CL group, but Jones made sure that that was not going to happen.
We should play him up front. Point at the opposition goal and say "Phil, defend that".
That would not work. Jones would find a way of fecking that plan up.
He is absolutely, fecking shit at any task you give him.
I wouldn't trust him to look after my car for 1 day. If I gave him the keys and returned 24 hours later, he'd probably tell me some crazy story and tell me that the car has gone missing.
...and before anyone says that I am being too harsh on Jones...I think I am not being harsh enough.
The guy is absolute shite!
Would have won the top goal scorer several times now if we had thought of that earlier.
There can’t be many players in the world who have scored more goals against United than Jones?
Last night would've been a great time to have a good squad option in the side. Guess what Jones did when we needed him as that squad option - he scored an own goal and cost us a draw. I'm not sure how that qualifies as good enough. I may have exaggerated the own goals point originally but he certainly has an error in him more often than not.
Which post?You directly replied to the post.
This was your first response to me in this thread. Nowhere did I mention Blind or Tuanzebe anywhere in this thread. You quite clearly said none of our defenders are good enough then contradicted yourself in the following post when it dawned on you that Mourihho had signed two of them which I clearly pointed out to you. What on earth has another posters opinion on Tuanzebe got to do with me?
Your blind love for Mourinho is hilarious..
Baffling that he is still at the club. Utter shambles.
He's one of the worst players at the club. Huge fan of him when he first came through but he's just got steadily worse, year after year.
It's actually embarrassing that he's still here given the chances he's had
It's actually embarrassing that he's still here given the chances he's had
You say Tuanzebe and Lindelof are not good enough but in the Tuanzebe thread you're saying, you rate both players. It doesn't cost anything to be honest. Your blind love for Mourinho exposed your lies..
This statement goes for a lot of the players in the squad...should of been ruthless with the bunch of them years ago.
I agree, at least 10 of the players in the squad should be sold immediately and we have to start over again...It's the only way right now
Same as most CBs that do have the talent, he finds concentration and decision making the hardest. The more he plays the more likely he'd get the mental side of things to be a top CB so there is an element of injuries playing their part. But he's probably never really shown the mental qualities to be a top CB. As a very young player we probably thought we could teach him that side of things but its never quite happened. In the end consistency, decision making and concentration are the most important parts of playing the role. That leads to the least individual errors.
You say Tuanzebe and Lindelof are not good enough but in the Tuanzebe thread you're saying, you rate both players. It doesn't cost anything to be honest. Your blind love for Mourinho exposed your lies..
He isn’t good enough YET. Yes I do rate both as talents but they are not top CB’s.
There's a big difference in saying a player isn't good enough and a player isn't good enough YET.
its ridiculous how many own goals he has scored. Some if the finishing would make lukaku envious.
Maybe we should swap him and lukaku, play jones as CF and Lukaku as CB!
Isn't that pretty much implied already because of the age of the players? Both players aren't good enough but it is possible to still rate their talents, just not as current top players.
on topic: Remember Phil Jones was put on corner-duty? He probably scored those in training all the time, but they played only on one half during corner practice, so technically it was all own goals. That is why it didn't work in games.
The post was crying that we let Tuanzebe and Blind go while keeping hold of Jones. My reply was that none of them are good enough and so it didn’t matter who stayed and who didn’t. Do people think keeping the current Tuanzebe changes anything? Are people really that deluded?
Yes I rate Tuanzebe but he is potential and not a top CB right now.
This was your first response to me in this thread. Nowhere did I mention Blind or Tuanzebe anywhere in this thread. You quite clearly said none of our defenders are good enough then contradicted yourself in the following post when it dawned on you that Mourihho had signed two of them which I clearly pointed out to you. What on earth has another posters opinion on Tuanzebe got to do with me?
Your blind love for Mourinho is hilarious..
You replied to the post saying the buck stops with Mourinho
. I was talking about Jones, Blind and Tuanzebe as well because that’s who the original poster pointed to in his post. Jesus you’re not even reading properly .- Status