I am sure club doesn't extend contracts without talking to the manager. I can bet Ole supported the decision. He is just not ruthless at all.
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I think they'll get another chance come December
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Surely the club isn't that stupid to consult a caretaker regarding extensions.
We conceded 54 goals last season, worse than Newcastle, Crystal Palace and Leicester. That obviously wasn’t all Jones’ doing, but being the 2nd best CB in such a defence isn’t saying much. Jones has been here for 8 seasons now. Don’t you expect better from him and his equally experienced countryman Smalling?
How do you think? Our board decided it's a great idea to give Ole a job in March, it pretty much confirms to me that the board is stupid.
100% what worries me about OGS moving forward. And what is "one of them things" exactly? Yet another mediocre player cemented to the club for the next few years?
Bad times ahead...
If you believe a club consulted a caretaker regarding extensions then you can hold that opinion, to me it doesn't make sense.
But yeah they're stupid.
Of course Solskjaer was consulted about the contract extensions while he was interim manager. It's not a coincidence that the players who have been given extensions were first choice under him at the time they signed new deals while Fellaini was given far few chances and quickly sold.
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It's a joke he's still here and even more of a joke his contract was extended. Pathetic club.
I have absolutely no faith in this man.
Ole should have just kept his mouth shut. He sounds unbelievably stupid with those quotes and makes me question his judgement.
We can all get annoyed at OGS for sanctioning, perhaps, an extension for Jones, but each of our last 3 more experienced managers played him and crucially didn’t try to sell him when they could have.
They all see something we clearly don’t.
They all see something we clearly don’t.
That's a strong statement from Ole, I wonder if he felt the same about Herrera.
How can you fix player's career when the player is damaging himself by going into several kamikaze situations, every season ? Add on top of that some really unexplained events like too many injections on international break and simple fact that player can't unlearn habits leading to countless injuries.
Another gamble game for another season then...
How can you fix player's career when the player is damaging himself by going into several kamikaze situations, every season ? Add on top of that some really unexplained events like too many injections on international break and simple fact that player can't unlearn habits leading to countless injuries.
Another gamble game for another season then...
Great observation but I can tell what we already know they saw. The sacking.
I get that people are down on Jones, but what do you expect Ole to say?
That statement is the one that now has me worried.
Phil Jones. United Colossus
Phil Jones. United Colossus
54 goals conceded is obviously not good enough, but im not going to blame Jones for conceding goal when he did not play. He started 15 games last season where we conceded 20 goals, should come to 50 goals over 38 games. If we are nice and take 2 goals away from the Everton game where Jones only played first half, it comes out to about 45 goals in 38 game, that's a improvement, with some mental gymnastics. When Jones was dropped, our defense looked statistically worse, is the best way to put it.
Phil Jones is 27 years old and coming into his prime as a CB, im not going to blame players for what they did in their early 20's, its kind of what it means to develop players, you get stronger and more experienced over time, you don't want to take that and throw it all away. A example is Daley Blind, a CB we had and developed for many years, then throw away when he hits his prime, but then goes on to do really well for another club. Coaches at Old Trafford obviously have faith in Phil Jones, there is a great defender in there, its just a question of getting that out of him. Going into next season with Jones as our 2th best CB does not seem like a good idea, I agree with that, but keeping him as a squad option is well worth it. You never know, with a better defensive structure next season Jones might come to his full potential.
Its important to understand who Manchester United is as a club, as long as there is a shred of potential left in a player we are keeping them, we rather keep a player for a year to long, then sell them a year to early. United is not a farmer club that developed players for other clubs, our financial model is not built on selling players.
I don't really rate Smalling, never been a fan of him. Im not holding it against him though, when ever we want to sell Smalling, we can do that.
Do you see any improvement of his 8 years here though, that you can project Jones would be worth to keep for another 4 years?
You're talking about "faith" from the coach and all that, when the Club decided to extend even Rojo contract. I suppose you agreed with that as well?
Then it's weird that you're advocating to sell (one of) the most reliable CB, but wants to keep one of the most unreliable CB.
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You're making a lot of sense with that post, but in the same time you perhaps unintentionally point to conclusion that Jones is truly a useless player.
Of course we can't blame him for everything because he spends most of time outside football coping with injuries which good portion of them is caused by his own football habits. He can't spend proper time with coaches like you stated because he's a physio room's regular. I agree with you that there's a player there and Sir Alex knew that from Phil's days in Blackburn, however we have 2019 and rivals are getting substantially stronger while supposed United's financial model is not built on selling players somehow ? So when there's time for purely football matters then ?
In short: I agree with you but conclusion is still the same which with each passing season sounds more and more logical and it's a proper way to open doors to players like Mensah or Tuanzebe or anyone talented at this point, which is kinda United's model, making space for younger generation.
Jones improved enough to keep for another 2 years yes, then he gets another 2 years added for loyalties. Im not that bothered about a 4 year contract since we could always just sell Jones a year from now, that always going to be a option.
Rojo different, he's 29 years old and has not shown anything for 1 year now. I don't know how he has been doing in training, but it does not look like there is any untapped potential in Rojo. Also I don't think Rojo is a high tempo defender, he probably would do better playing for a slower team, the way United used to play a year ago.
I don't know how Jones is unreliable. After Solskjaer came in Jones started 12/21 PL games, and that is with Smalling starting over Jones when Smalling came back from his injury. I can remember Jones being unavailable twice, once he got sick and was out for a few weeks. The thing is, if you got the flue, you don't want to infect the rest of the team, so Jones stays out. Second time was after Rice elbowed Jones forehead, skin takes time to grow, and he should not have played the Barcelona game if you ask me. Jones injury record gets blown out of proportion, where people seem to be stuck in the past, but the fact is, Jones is as reliable a CB option as the rest of them.
And yeah, im all for giving Fosu-Mensah a shot over Jones and Smalling in the CB spot, as long as the coaches at the club think Fosu-Mensah is ready.
Really interesting comments on Jones from OGS.
You can tell his massively values the idea of experienced "winners", from similar comments on Young.
But even the most positive United fan would struggle to be too excited about a huge length deal for a guy who has been here 8 years and is still nowhere near proving himself as a reliable starter for long periods.
He reminds me a bit of Anderson - here way too long, dimishing returns, and less of an output each year.
You can tell his massively values the idea of experienced "winners", from similar comments on Young.
But even the most positive United fan would struggle to be too excited about a huge length deal for a guy who has been here 8 years and is still nowhere near proving himself as a reliable starter for long periods.
He reminds me a bit of Anderson - here way too long, dimishing returns, and less of an output each year.
Yeah he won things when Rio and Vidic were our starting CB's and he just slotted in for the odd game. Once he became a starting CB limping on for 10 games a season we won feck all. Jesus wept Ole, wake up.
Jones is obviously not capable of staying fit for long enough, and also obviously hasn't shown the ability to be a top quality centre back at a top club. He should have been sold several seasons ago. It's been bizarre watching Man Utd, as if they're scared of upsetting someone or other by telling them they have no future at the club.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/phil-jones/verletzungen/spieler/117996
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/phil-jones/verletzungen/spieler/117996
No Jones biggest problem is half the time he doesn't even make it onto the pitch because he's injured again.
Jeez we are fecked.
Loads but still you've got to admire the wide eyed optimism some still that one day if only Jones could get over his injuries he become a great defender. Despite a decade of evidence suggesting otherwise.
This is from 2-3 years ago so he's had a load more injuries since then. But to be honest it's quite impressive, theres few parts of his anatomy left that he hasn't injured. And of course when he's not injured he's still prone to bouts of the shingles.
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What a fraud he is. Also in last two years his only injury free period happened during our easiest set of fixtures and some of his remaining fans were quick to say that he is "usually very good when available" and shite like that.
Loads but still you've got to admire the wide eyed optimism some still that one day if only Jones could get over his injuries he become a great defender. Despite a decade of evidence suggesting otherwise.
This is from 2-3 years ago so he's had a load more injuries since then. But to be honest it's quite impressive, theres few parts of his anatomy left that he hasn't injured. And of course when he's not injured he's still prone to bouts of the shingles.
He's football's Evel Knievel
Loads but still you've got to admire the wide eyed optimism some still that one day if only Jones could get over his injuries he become a great defender. Despite a decade of evidence suggesting otherwise.
This is from 2-3 years ago so he's had a load more injuries since then. But to be honest it's quite impressive, theres few parts of his anatomy left that he hasn't injured. And of course when he's not injured he's still prone to bouts of the shingles.
Oh wow.. never seen that picture. You cant even say he has 'bad knees' or a bad ankle. Everything about his body is bad for playing top football.
Ship him off to Rhodes and have him straddle the harbour.
The only good Jones I remember was in the beginning of 11/12, when we were tearing teams apart, with Ando and Clevz in the midfield, and he was playing at RB.
That’s it. Otherwise he’s a completely reckless defender, bang average on the ball, zero composure, prone to stupid challenges and whenever we need him he’s injured.
I like him, I don’t see how anyone can hate him, he’s playing on Bryan Robson and Vidic levels of disregard to their own health in the tackle, but he has got to go ffs.
That’s it. Otherwise he’s a completely reckless defender, bang average on the ball, zero composure, prone to stupid challenges and whenever we need him he’s injured.
I like him, I don’t see how anyone can hate him, he’s playing on Bryan Robson and Vidic levels of disregard to their own health in the tackle, but he has got to go ffs.
I don't have a dislike for Jones the person. Don't see how anyone can unless they know him personally.
As a player.... very much dislike
As a player.... very much dislike
He tends to start for the new manager when they first come in. After a while (once he starts getting injured and/or his inconsistent performances start stacking up) he inevitably drops down the pecking order.
He was actually fairly good for the first half of 17/18 season. Definitely the best sustained (if about four months can be called sustained) period he's had in his time here IMO. He also had a good two month period in 16/17 next to Rojo.
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