He's spent about £60m himself on two centre backs, neither of whom are good enough.
He's had plenty of opportunity to sell Jones and Rojo and yet hasn't
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He's spent about £60m himself on two centre backs, neither of whom are good enough.
He's had plenty of opportunity to sell Jones and Rojo and yet hasn't
Personally i'd have given the youngsters a chance in a game that was a dead rubber.
Blame for what? If we sign 2 younger CB's then they are a part of the squad and will play their role. We need a top CB regardless of that. It's like some people disregard that this squad needed to be rebuilt, not just the first eleven. The same people will moan that we don't have younger players coming through and that Jose only signs older players. What do you guys want him to do? I don't have a problem with Lindelof or Bailly being partnered with a top CB, it will just make them better players. They cannot be played together and in fact, Jose avoided that the whole of last season, and now we can see for good reason.
If they were playing in a solid backline, they would be much better. They are still young and people want to just claim they are not good enough. A lot of younger CB's would struggle playing in a backline which for large portions has 30 year old wingers as its fullbacks.
Also, spending 60 million on 2 CB's is different to spending 60 million on one CB of better quality. If people are not interested in us signing younger players like Bailly and Lindelof then I dont know what to say.
You said none of our CB's are good enough. Bailly and Lindelof are two CB's signed by Mourinho and they aren't good enough according to you. Why should Mourinho be backed when most of his buys have been crap and he's got us playing shitty football and battling teams like Bournemouth in the league table having been at the club for 2.5 years and almost £400m to spend??
Thats a good question for Ed. You sign an extension with the manager and then suddenly you close the pipe.
I said none of Jones, Tuanzebe and Blind are good enough. I am saying that Jose tried to sign a top CB and it didn't happen. Jones has had his chances, Lindelof and Bailly at least deserve time. This isn't even about Jose. Any manager that was going to come in before, or comes in after Jose would have to rebuild this squad. I am happy that we have Lindelof, Bailly and Tuanzebe as younger CB's. That does not change the fact that we still need a top CB.
If Lindelof and Bailly were not meant as a partnership what good is it banging on about spending 60 million on the pair of them? Laporte and Stones are meant to be a partnership and beyond that they cost 50million+ each. Do Lindelof and Bailly not deserve to play in a proper backline? Do we not come out with excuses for every other player claiming the system or whatever does not suit them? Because Bailly and Lindelof were signed by Jose you want to just claim they're shite? They have talent but they need help, doesn't matter who the manager is. It isn't even about Mourinho.
You've contradicted yourself here
Getting him to sign a extension doesn't mean the club is gonna blindly bow to his demands. He never had that Privilege at Chelsea, Inter or Real Madrid.
How?
You said "none are good enough" go see what you said and comeback to me. Seems like you're back tracking now. Also I never claimed Bailly was shit. I quite like Bailly.
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Yes. Now look at the post you responded to before that. Jones, Tuanzebe and Blind.
We will see how the club works and functions when Jose leaves. Ed will estimate who's good enough as a players and who's not.
Backtracking on what? If people do not want to accept that we need a CB and that Jose wanted one then what can I say? All people say is "but he signed Lindelof and Bailly", like that erases the fact that we need a top CB on top of the two younger CB's with potential.
I don't want to hear none of that bullshit about him not signing younger players and only thinking short term because when he tries to do that with Bailly and Lindelof people just call them flops. No mention of the state of the defence they play in, but when it comes to their favourite players it's all Jose and the systems fault.
Which post? Tuanzebe and Blind were never mentioned. Anyone on here can see the previous page and see what's gone on.
Of course we need a CB but Mourinho shouldn't be at the helm when we buy one due to the bad job he's done.
You said none of our CB's are good enough then changed your tune very quickly when my response to you was unfavourable towards Mourinho.
To be honest mate I can't see any manager getting the same sort of control as SAF had.
You are wrong.
I don't think any new manager should have that kind of control. Fergie could do it but we must go with the times. On the other hand Ed needs to fek of from footballing decisions.
30m is not the price of a starting CB. Please check how much city and liverpool paid for their CBs.
Even at that price both players are young and have shown more potential than the rest of the lot
So the manager and Ed aren't allowed to have control.... So we leave it to the fans or the players to decide signings then? Or maybe the Glazers?
When a club appoints a manager, they need to sign players to support his tenure, simple as. Lord knows who decides our purchases as they've been square pegs for round holes for years.
Calamity Jones.
Why would they go?
They're on ridiculous amounts of money, that they won't get elsewhere.
No one will sign Phil Jones! Seriously
Exactly. when it comes to our cb transfers a lot of willful stupidity goes on in here
Absolute f'in clown. Never in my life have i seen a defender directly responsible for so many goals conceded.
Bullshit. Its Woodward himself who refused to sell the likes Rojo, Jones and Darmian in the summer nor upgrade them, do to thinking our coach recommended targets 'no better than them'.
Furthermore, anyone who believes any talented young center halves like Bailly or Lindeloff can ever look good consistently alongside the likes of Smalling, Jones, Rojo and inept fullbacks like Valencia is just engaging in willful stupidity.
Because even at City and Pool who people envy their young defenders like Stones and Gomez didn't start looking good until either the fullbacks and or their center back partners were upgraded.
CORRECT!!!
Agreed. It seems though at our club it goes day by day, who decides and what.
He has become a bit of a joke which is a shame because IMO there is a good defender in him. Think it would be best for all parties for him to move on, he just can't be relied upon with the constant injuries and brain farts on the pitch.
30m in 2016 was decent money! Kante was signed for that much the same year after a title winning season and world class performances.
Bailly will entering his 4th season next season. How long do we wait for potential? He wasn’t some teenager when we signed him. It’s Phil Jones situation all over again.
When Bailly was signed in 2016, only 3 or 4 CBs were signed for higher price.
Liverpool also paid less than 5 million for their other CB and 7 million for their LB and RB is from academy.
Teams who made it to semi finals for CL last season and Bayern.
Liverpool
Van Dijk - 75 million
Gomez - 3-5 million
Lovren - 20 million
Robertson - 7 Million
TAA - Academy player
Roma
Juan Jesus - 10 million euros
Kolarov -5 million Euros
Fazio - 3.2 million Euros
Manolas - 15 million Euros
Florenzi - Academy
Madrid
Ramos - 27 million Euros
Varane - 10 million Euros
Marcelo - 5-6 million
Carvajal - 6 million
Bayern
Hummels - 38 million
Sule - 18 million
Kimmich - 7 million
Alaba - Academy
Barcelona (everyone signed after we signed Bailly)
Semedo - 35 million
Umtiti - 25 million euros
Lenglet - 35 million Euros
Only Madrid signed most of their defenders long back and rest all signed the players just 2-3 years ago.
How does price even decide whether player is starting material, Liverpool signed Salah for 35 million, guess he isn't starting material.
Can you imagine if they give him a new contract? Twitter would explode.
Go and tell us if Jose made any mistakes since he joined ManUtd.
It signing the right players, being actually good at spotting real potential and not letting yourself get hoodwinked into paying over the odds for average players.
Jones has proven is recent seasons he has a big game error in him, that's for sure.
Maybe we forget how long he has been here. He strikes me of having the Manchester united mentality of old, that win at all costs thing Fergie insisted all his players have.
Issue with Jones, is injury/form/confidence have made him the shadow of the player he was, or more importantly could have become. Remember when we signed him? He was fearless, bombing forward when at RB and commanding at CB. What he's become now is a shadow of that
He has stagnated to a level that is bordering on embarrassing for himself personally and us as a club.
He's one of many that need to be sold, for his own benefit and our own
Maybe we forget how long he has been here. He strikes me of having the Manchester united mentality of old, that win at all costs thing Fergie insisted all his players have.
Issue with Jones, is injury/form/confidence have made him the shadow of the player he was, or more importantly could have become. Remember when we signed him? He was fearless, bombing forward when at RB and commanding at CB. What he's become now is a shadow of that
He has stagnated to a level that is bordering on embarrassing for himself personally and us as a club.
He's one of many that need to be sold, for his own benefit and our own
The fact that I still see people putting him on the same level as Smalling and talking about how he's a good defender when fit is so baffling. He's gone from being an average and overrated defender to an absolute disaster and United as a club should be embarrassed that they still pay him a fortune to represent them.
absolute disaster last night. the ball was going across him away from the attacking player. Goalkeeper on his way out to clear it. He didn't need to go near the ball. embarrassing, cringeworthy. its not good enough from a supposedly United player.
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