What ? Based on what exactly
? Quit peddling this myth
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? Quit peddling this mythI think the difference between the two sides was that there was only 4 shots of Pogba on the bench looking forlorn. Could have had about 5 or 6 more. Maybe a few more shots of Ed Woodward as well.
For all the hatred he gets and seems to have, souness said it best yesterday. 'If he had a better attitude hed be the best midfielder in the league.'
Hes a weak willed guy, with a piss poor attitude, and winning is not his main motivation. Its enough for many players to be at top clubs. Hes won a world cup now and thats enough to keep him ticking over. I rate him very highly but hes been a disaster.
Hes a weak willed guy, with a piss poor attitude, and winning is not his main motivation. Its enough for many players to be at top clubs. Hes won a world cup now and thats enough to keep him ticking over. I rate him very highly but hes been a disaster.
I mean Buffon was the one singing his praises as a team mate. I think hes in far better position than you to judge thta aspect.
Is that the same Modric that has been terrible this season and lucked his way to a balon d'or or is that the same Kroos who has been even worse with a Madrid in turmoil this season? The point you're trying to make might have made sense...2 years ago but not anymore. There arent that many CM's out there better than him its as simple as that. You really believe if he is sold he's gonna go to some chump club? No, he'll be starting for PSG, Madrid, Barca take your pick.
I havent put all the weight of his failures on Mourinho but when you are surrounded by shit on the pitch, surrounded by shit off the pitch from a dinosaur that doesnt understand how football works now. Which is further compounded with a depressive cloud of negativity which makes you not want to turn up to a job of a lifetime because of how toxic it is, is it really that hard to understand why a player underperforms.
I've seen it plenty on this Forum lately and its frustrating as hell which is why i started posting instead of just reading like i have so since ive been on this forum. Its like people believe the players to be some kind of robots and just because they are paid a certain amount they must have behave like robots and give 100% all the time. Have people not been in similar situations at work with a boss you despise and constantly trying to undermine you? Would you go through a wall for them? Of course not.
He may turn out to be only a good player instead of world class but that would require the cnut at the top to leave along with his dogshit manager
I wont even give this a proper response as you're clearly fishing mate. Get off it and come back down when you're ready to discuss
I didn't even watch the game yesterday and I can tell you he showed no passhun and even less dessiah. Yup, white text
There you go buddy, I fixed that for you.
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Surely no one can still be blaming Pogba now after seeing that crap show yesterday?
Not saying Pogba is completely blameless as I don't think he is showing his best, but that's obviously down to the toxic situation with Mourinho. Hopefully by the end of the season once Jose is finally gone it won't of made Pogba want to go aswell, because hate it or love it he is one of the very few talented players we have left capable of becoming world class.
Not saying Pogba is completely blameless as I don't think he is showing his best, but that's obviously down to the toxic situation with Mourinho. Hopefully by the end of the season once Jose is finally gone it won't of made Pogba want to go aswell, because hate it or love it he is one of the very few talented players we have left capable of becoming world class.
What ? Based on what exactly
Exactly. Pogba was praised by so many at Juventus, he was praised by so many for his role in French dressing room but somehow he is disruptive because Jose's mouthpiece did a shit article on him.
Better for his career that he leaves us.
Mourinho will not be sacked before March and I can't really see Pogba happy on the touchline until then.
He will surely not stay at United next year with no CL or EL. He's our best outfield player but he can't do anything in such a pathetic side.
Let him leave at Madrid for 180M this summer and we will sign the likes of Ruben Neves for 120M
Mourinho will not be sacked before March and I can't really see Pogba happy on the touchline until then.
He will surely not stay at United next year with no CL or EL. He's our best outfield player but he can't do anything in such a pathetic side.
Let him leave at Madrid for 180M this summer and we will sign the likes of Ruben Neves for 120M
Yes we were shite yesterday without him, exactly like we are when he plays.
I really hate to break it to you. Pogba is just not good enough. With Jose or without Jose, he is going to sulk anytime, team mentality is not just in his head.
At the moment he considers himself a big fish in small pond. At best he will become a small fish in a big pond.
We are never going to get 180 now. Besides, taking in account how we have done transfers the past year, it is more likely that we sell Pogba for 120 and buy Neves for 180 than it is the other way around.
Playing Pogbo adds quality to our team, If we just had a manager that knows how to get the best out of players.
Our attacking play is disgracefull and that obviously affects the midfielders that try and create someone.
You could see that Pogba could create great chances when Zlatan played in front of him. Simply because Zlatan was also on a higher level of skill and understanding how to move in attacking positions.
For all those saying Pogba did not play and we look shit. Yes united are playing terrible.
Because Pogba is just one of the 11 players.
Lets say I'm watching football for 20 years, mostly EPL. Yeah watched the WC, didn't see anything extra ordinary that a lot of players have done before , are doing it and continue in the future to do it.
Also football is a team game. One individual does not make all that difference if the 11 play as a team with a purpose, tactics and intelligence.
Because Pogba is just one of the 11 players.
Lets say I'm watching football for 20 years, mostly EPL. Yeah watched the WC, didn't see anything extra ordinary that a lot of players have done before , are doing it and continue in the future to do it.
Also football is a team game. One individual does not make all that difference if the 11 play as a team with a purpose, tactics and intelligence.
With Pogba's attitude and inconsistency there's no way in hell anyone would pay over £100m for him.
Isn't this a problem that a good manager/coach can fix? I mean lots of players struggle with this before coming across a person who helps them to be focused and concentrated. De Bryune was inconsistent before Pep, Salah too before Klopp, Koulibaly the same with lots of mistakes, and remember CR7 in his early days before SAF transformed him into a reliable machine.
And if Pogba was an isolated case than I could understand the criticisms, but when 90% of the team is suffering from the same syndrome of inconsistency, than something is wrong with the way they are managed.
But you said he will never shine anywhere.
I'm not worried about Pogba tbh. Once Jose goes, Pogba will be back in the team and performing to his best. Everyone will forget all about the whole drama and poor mentality/fight.
Hazard in and after Jose's Chelsea is a fine example.
Hazard in and after Jose's Chelsea is a fine example.
After he won the World Cup he gave an interview saying he wants more; the PL, the CL, the Euros... of course he wants to win. We're not in a position to win though. Don't get it confused
and yet Hazard still singles mourinho out as a coach he'd like to work with again. Shows it isn't as simple as it all being put on the manager.
Now go back to your reply and look at my post again, but this time more closely.
This has to be a wind up surely? Small fish? The guy has won the world cup, several titles and reached a champions league final, all as an integral player for his team. And he is only 26 years old!
Euro2016 final as well.
I'm sure he's on a wind up. Pogba not good enough? Biggest joke I've heard in a long time. This is something Mourinho is at least succeeding at, making fans believe Pogba is not good enough.
The guy was carrying this team at the beginning of the season, a little inconsistent but he was very good for the better part until he gave those interviews especially the "attack" one which Mourinho felt was undermining ( which was tbh) and Mourinho decided to show him who is boss. This is simply a case of a player not getting along with the manager and I for one believe Pogba would be back to his best when a new manager eventually comes in.
In that same interview he also said something how they needed change because training wasn’t fun anymore and they weren’t allowed to express themselves.
Just because a few past players say he’s amazing doesn’t gloss over our current form or how he cannot motivate our current crop of players
Pogba says alot of things. Performances are all that counts
It would be extremely stupid to sell Pogba right now, even while Mourinho is here full stop. Everyone knows their lack of relationship, any offers will be derisory regardless of form due to the fallout. Wouldn’t be surprised if teams like PSG/Real Madrid offer us £20-30M this window to test the situation.
Mourinho has basically ensured Pogba can’t be sold. Was that his idea all along, all this fallout shortly before the transfer window? Not because he wants to keep him, but to stop him forcing a move sway out of spite...
Mourinho has basically ensured Pogba can’t be sold. Was that his idea all along, all this fallout shortly before the transfer window? Not because he wants to keep him, but to stop him forcing a move sway out of spite...
Imagine he had a capable midfielder next to him that wasn't Matic.
Imagine we played progressive football with players who have positive technical attributes?
Why not allow a 3 of Fred Periera Pogs more game time together. Three very different players with different attributes but who all who will look to have a positive impact on our attacking play?
Imagine we played progressive football with players who have positive technical attributes?
Why not allow a 3 of Fred Periera Pogs more game time together. Three very different players with different attributes but who all who will look to have a positive impact on our attacking play?
Didn't you hear?
Matic had a "good" game against Fulham, thus Pogba was always the issue!
That logic was something else. He wasn't even that good in that game, just something that you expect from any PL level midfielder.Mourinho has greatly belittled Pogba last season ( McTominay...), during the WC and this season it's even worst...while the club clearly backed Mourinho over him.
If he has a little bit of pride, he should leave even if at the end of the season, Mourinho is sacked.
And even without mentionning his relationship with the board, for his career it's better to leave. He's soon 26 and I don't think that a top player wants to play the EL again or fighting to finish 4th at best for the next 2-3 seasons.
But the club is not going to sell Pogba for less than 70-80 million even though it's his current value now that Mourinho ridiculed him and made people believe that he's average and a virus.
Even if the big clubs know that Pogba can be one of the best players in the world, they are not going to offer a big sum considering all the circus around the club since 10 or 11 months.
So the board will keep him and Pogba will sulk even if we bring a new coach. It's too late to convince him and show him that he is an important player.
it's a mess all because the club has let his superstar being publicly himiliated for many months in front of the whole world.
So the best ending it's to sack Mourinho, sell Pogba for 60-70m and start a new chapter on a sound basis.
But we are a mess and we'll keep Pogba even if he wants out.
If he has a little bit of pride, he should leave even if at the end of the season, Mourinho is sacked.
And even without mentionning his relationship with the board, for his career it's better to leave. He's soon 26 and I don't think that a top player wants to play the EL again or fighting to finish 4th at best for the next 2-3 seasons.
But the club is not going to sell Pogba for less than 70-80 million even though it's his current value now that Mourinho ridiculed him and made people believe that he's average and a virus.
Even if the big clubs know that Pogba can be one of the best players in the world, they are not going to offer a big sum considering all the circus around the club since 10 or 11 months.
So the board will keep him and Pogba will sulk even if we bring a new coach. It's too late to convince him and show him that he is an important player.
it's a mess all because the club has let his superstar being publicly himiliated for many months in front of the whole world.
So the best ending it's to sack Mourinho, sell Pogba for 60-70m and start a new chapter on a sound basis.
But we are a mess and we'll keep Pogba even if he wants out.
To be fair the choice was between Mourinho, Benitez and the newly sacked Conte. Not an easy choice for mr Hazard.
Pogba playing well benefits United as a whole. But he hasnt been playing well. Does he even warrant getting ahead of some of the others? On ability, sure. But performance-wise hes been tragic. Sure some of the others have been poor, but with Pogba if hes having a stinker, you dont expect him to do the dirty stuff to compensate for it.
While I do agree somewhat with your sentiment, I think you overstate it significantly.
Give Pogba another midfielder in there that can share the duties of controlling the team around, and play an attacking style of football with movement. Pretty sure that's all we'd have to do to get Pogba playing great football more often than not. The better the team around him the better he'll be on a regular basis, but that's true for just about everyone. Messi is better for Barcelona than he is for Argentina, etc. I mean, even in the current situation Pogba has been one of our best players over the last couple of years, albeit with three or four periods of consistent poor form thrown in.
Pogdance .
It’s over now, now time to shine! Bet he’s buzzing. Can’t wait to see him under hopefully a proper manager.
Party at Pog's house tonight.
Time for him to step up now
Now Mourinho is gone, time to step up.
Got his wish....maybe he’ll deem to actually perform in a way he’s paid to...disgrace of a man.
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