Their goal difference is zero, and West Ham have scored 10 more goals than them. You made me follow this thread and laugh at you at end of the season when Arsenal finish around 8th position.
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Their goal difference is zero, and West Ham have scored 10 more goals than them. You made me follow this thread and laugh at you at end of the season when Arsenal finish around 8th position.
I actually read about that, it seemed kind of insane, didn't he just get promoted, or was promoted a season or two prior?
You're right that it's not impossible, but I honestly think at least relating to Arteta as long as he continues as he's doing he'll be safe. That's not to say there's no pressure, after being backed this summer and now in his second full season, it is important that he shows clear progress. I do think the problems at Arsenal were massively overlooked in this thread when he took over, but now is the time he has to deliver. And I think he will.
Ok here you go arsenal and United in last 3 transfer windows including this one:
19-20 United £195m Arsenal £135m (including Martinelli)
20-21 United £75m ( including Pellestri and Amad) Arsenal £72m
21-22 United £133m Arsenal £156m
United in last 3 seasons £408m
Arsenal in last 3 seasons £363m
Difference of £45m which also includes £25m United spent on Amad and Pellestri.
Now if you want to just include last 2 seasons as Arteta's first full window was 20-21
Arsenal in last 2 seasons £228m, United in last 2 seasons £208m. So yes your original statement that Arteta has spent little in comparison to Ole was incorrect. Unless you want to count 3 season for one guy and only transfer from 2 for another. Please note this doesn't include loan fees or wages.
So next time check your facts before posting something. And hey feel free to post my 150 posts that you mentioned because I am sure you are incorrect on that as well.
I think all three are about as average as I'd expect them to have been
Meh, it's only a matter of time till Arsenal fall apart again and all their fans call for Artetas head.
Recheck the post you quoted. I said Arteta had less to spend than Solskjaer, you quoted that so surely you read what I said?
When comparing the job they've both done, you're going to compare how much money they've spent.
So instead of telling me to check my facts, maybe you should learn how to fecking read?
Edit: sorry it was 142 message, all as shit as the one you've just made
But I just proved to you arteta did not spend far less in the last 2 seasons in comparison to Ole. Not sure what you are arguing here. You accuse me of making shit post when you made incorrect statement. Of course Ole joined a year ahead than Arteta but in his time Arteta have spent huge amount of money which in comparison in last 2 seasons is similar or even more than Ole has spent. Hence I said stop pretending Arteta has worked on limited budget.
And considering you seem so confident of accusing me posting shit, have some balls and reply to the post just like I did rather than speaking from your a** which you are doing.
Except you didn't prove anything, I've already shown you that Ole has spent double the amount Arteta has, while having a much larger wage bill and inheriting a much better squad. Ole was given over 200m to spend in his first window, Arteta was given 75m. I never said he was working on a limited budget overall, I just said he'd spent far less than Ole, which is factually true. You jumped in and accused me of lying, either because you completely misread my post or you're just full of shit.
I'm not sure what the bolded even means. I did reply to you? And you're allowed to say ass mate
Clearly you don't read what you write and neither do you read what others write. Anyways trying to be as civil as possible, Ole of course would have spent more than Arteta because he joined a year earlier so it is an unfair comparison on transfer front to count 3 seasons amount for one guy and only 2 seasons. So a natural way to judge is how much each have spent since Arteta's first full window, which is why I gave you last 2 season's amount. Now if you want to count 3 seasons then comparison should be amount spent by Arsenal in last 3 seasons and amount spent by United in last 3 seasons since Ole's first full window, which also I showed you, a mere difference of 45m. That's how you make fair judgement. It's like me saying Ole has spent far less than Pep, yes he has but in the same time since joining Ole has actually spent good amount on players. If you are taking that as a stand alone statement then yesthat is correct factually but if you use that statement to say Arteta should get more leeway because he spent far less than Ole then that is an incorrect statement as both Ole and Arteta have spent huge amount of money and should be judged on that. Arteta last season was a failure and no way finishing 8th can be justified.
And stop accusing people of making 142 shit posts if you cannot back them. If you really want to challenge anyone's opinion then reply to that post rather than making stupid statement that you made 142 shit posts. Hence I said, have some balls and reply to the post that you feel I made a shit post or else just shut up. That's how grown up people act.
This is a waste of both our time. I've already explained it to you. My statement was that Arteta had spent less than Solskjaer, a factual comment. Don't talk about civil, you quoted me out of nowhere calling me a liar when it's an objectively true statement.
You talk so much drivel. Next time before you call someone a liar, make sure you actually read what they've said. If you want anything else just pm me, If I'm going to be subjected to this crap at least we can keep it out of this thread.
Hi, just to stop this nonsense and the comparaisons between Ole and Arteta.
Arsenal plays every week. United every 3 days.
Makes such a difference. Arsenal fan here and I think we should see more quality from Arsenal than what we see for the moment with all the time they have on the training ground. Physically also it’s alarming to see that Lacazette can only play 60 minutes or so… every week. Imagine with mid-week football… he would last 30 minutes per matches?!
It’s a young squad but they surely need to learn thick and fast. It s not only finishing in top 4 the goal this year, it’s being able to sustained the challenge of playing every three days the season after.
So sorry but you cannot compare Arsenal this year to any other team involved with european football.
Arsenal plays every week. United every 3 days.
Makes such a difference. Arsenal fan here and I think we should see more quality from Arsenal than what we see for the moment with all the time they have on the training ground. Physically also it’s alarming to see that Lacazette can only play 60 minutes or so… every week. Imagine with mid-week football… he would last 30 minutes per matches?!
It’s a young squad but they surely need to learn thick and fast. It s not only finishing in top 4 the goal this year, it’s being able to sustained the challenge of playing every three days the season after.
So sorry but you cannot compare Arsenal this year to any other team involved with european football.
Arsenal is not competing with Man Utd at the moment. We are just trying to be back to top 6 when Man Utd's goal is to fight for title every season with their resource. Arsenal indeed spent large amount of money (in arsenal standard only) to rebuild the squad the past summer, but wage budget is more important for the competitiveness of a club. It is unrealistic to expect a manager to do miracle every season to punch above the weight of the club. Arsenal and Man Utd are not even shopping in the same pool and also same quality of player in transfer window.
I have better things to do in my life than pm'ing you. I can't teach you to read and write. Anyways I have wasted enough time chatting about Arteta with a swansea fan. Good luck to you.
I SAY GOOD DAY SIR!!!
Still plenty time for views to flip flop, I reckon views will change again in the next 3 weeks.
To be fair, you said far less to spend
How is far less defined? What is the x amount that makes it far less?
Unless you are talking solely about the first window after taking over?
The taking over a worse squad statement is subject to be argued too as the year ole took over they finished behind arsenal and United had only finished above arsenal once since Fergie retired upto that point. Im sure arsenal also reached the Europa final the year before. And ole in his two full seasons hasn't fibished behind arsenal (even if he is now for the first time)
anyway as most have said, arteta and arsenal have had Dawn's like this before. Let's see by Christmas where they are
And Arteta is younger than Zlatan about the age of Ronaldo.
Sokjaer is almost Klopps age.
As in one has spent 200m, and one has spent 400m. When taking into consideration the jobs both have done, you have to look at the amount of money they've been given to shape the squad to their liking. That's not even taking things like wages into consideration.
It could be argued but they'd be wrong, when comparing the two squads that both inherited no one on here would have gone with the Arsenal squad. They finished 6th because Mourinho had his usual meltdown, they had just finished second the season before, and the season before that had actually won the Europa. I'm not saying the United squad didn't have issues, but it was superior to the Arsenal squad.
I haven't just started arguing his case, I argued when he took over that people were vastly underestimating the difficulty of the job he had, and I argued a year into his tenure that people were righting him off far too quickly, all in this very thread. So it's not about false dawns, it's about seeing the progress he's made with rejuvenating the squad, especially with young players after being given money this summer, moving a lot of players on and settling on a consistent 11.
He’s still a shite manager. Just because we’re crap doesn’t suddenly take away from the fact that he’s also a steaming bag of shite
I keep seeing it mentioned that they're unbeaten for a while now so I looked at their results and who they've played. Their unbeaten run has come against:
Norwich 1-0
Burnley 1-0
Wimbledon 3-0
Spurs 3-1
Brighton 0-0
Palace 2-2
Villa 3-1
Leeds 2-0
Leicester 2-0
Watford 1-0
You can only beat what's in front of you but that's not a bad set of fixtures. They play us next at Anfield so maybe that'll be a better indicator in terms of how they're actually doing.
Norwich 1-0
Burnley 1-0
Wimbledon 3-0
Spurs 3-1
Brighton 0-0
Palace 2-2
Villa 3-1
Leeds 2-0
Leicester 2-0
Watford 1-0
You can only beat what's in front of you but that's not a bad set of fixtures. They play us next at Anfield so maybe that'll be a better indicator in terms of how they're actually doing.
You’ll drill them till their ears bleed
I am being made to eat my words. I guaranteed that Arteta would be fired by Xmas, and now here he is above us. It wasn't even a defense of Ole, I just thought Arteta was hopelessly lost.
So, remind me, how many trophies has OGS won?
I’m not sure you speak for the fans - wouldn’t you enjoy a day out at Wembley with some silverware to show for it?
I bet we trounce arsenal 8nil and ole would have gotten another manager sacked 
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.If its a question of finishing 4th with a fa cup or even a league cup compared to finishing 2nd without silverware then i would prefer the former. However, finishing 8th would be a sackable offense unless somehow we won the europa league or champions league also.
You know your club is in a dire mess when Arsenal fans ask how many trophies your manager has won.
Of course I can speak for myself and not on behalf of other fans. I would definitely enjoy a day out seeing my club win a trophy but if you are giving me an option of winning a domestic cup and finishing 8th or finishing 2nd with no trophy, I would choose the latter every single day. I don't think there's anything controversial with that.
Look comparing Arteta to OGS is a waste of time - Arteta will still be manager in 3 months time, OGS won’t be. But funny how you Mancs badmouth us now you are forced to see us rivals given your less than impressive form and table position.
With your crop of talented players, you should do better , the reason you don’t is because they don’t believe in OGS
As for Arsenal, we are building back better around a young team policy - there will be stumbles in the road but at least we fans believe in it - tell me, Mancs what do you believe in?
With your crop of talented players, you should do better , the reason you don’t is because they don’t believe in OGS
As for Arsenal, we are building back better around a young team policy - there will be stumbles in the road but at least we fans believe in it - tell me, Mancs what do you believe in?
As illogicality goes, that’s up there with the best
As false dichotomies go, that’s up there with the best
But again, youre comparing 400m to 200m when one manager has been there longer, so of course he would have spent more. But Ole has finished above him twice.
Arsenal have not finished on par for the squad at all however. In fact they more than under achieved under him (helped by an FA cup win that gave him credit in the bank)
When Ole took over United, there was talk of needing a complete overhaul. Again, on this very forum. The squad now is superior to what Ole inherited. Ole is under achieving this season no doubt, but can we say that in terms of league and even some of the cups last few years?
Whereas Arsenal have completely under achieved since Arteta has been there. All this talk about progress for his Arsenal and rejuvinating the squad is exactly what Ole has done.
I know it wasnt you, but the whole hes 100x better than Ole is nonsense in this thread too.
Giving him more time won't change anything. He's in his third season. How it is now is how it is going to be. A few good wins and the odd great game will interchange with a few disappointing draws or defeats. His Arsenal are sometimes quite good, often poor, but never consistently great. And that's not what I think, that's the reality of what's been happening.
Why would he turn into a better manager than he has shown to be, if he's given more time? He won't. This is it.
And what criteria would a club use to upgrade on him... what a bizarre question when we're talking about Arteta. How about hiring someone with a good record, instead of someone with no record at all?
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Right, but I never said anything against that? I was pointing out when comparing the two jobs they've done that one has spent a lot more money. He was also able to spend 200m in his first summer, whereas Arteta had to wait until this summer to really overhaul the squad
The Arsenal squad he inherited was awful, Emery had done well to get 5th, but they were incredibly luck to do so. At the end of the season they picked up 7 points from 21, and carried that form into the next season where in their opening 17 games, they had won 5, drew 7 and lost 5. They were in the bottom half of the table when Arteta took over.
I said all this at the time
It's why the board have kept faith when everyone was calling for his head. They were fully aware of how difficult it was going to be to turn this side around, especially as they had to wait until this summer to overhaul the squad. The problems were severe and when you look back through this thread, I find it weird how so few people took these issues into account when judging him. Even now we're only a few months into his second full season and there are posters calling him utterly shite etc
As I posted above, people massively overestimated the side he took over, I mean if you look at their recent run not a single player from his back 5 was here when he took over.
Ole did have to overhaul the squad, but even with that caveat it was superior to the Arsenal one, if you asked people on here at the time I'm sure 99% would vote in favour of the United side. Add on to that being given 200m to spend in his first summer and it's a completely different job in terms of rebuilding a side.
I agree that there's no merit to that last sentence, but I think the notion that the jobs Arteta and Ole took on were comparable is definitely untrue imo, and as posted above I argued that at the time. It's why posts like these
Simply ignore all context of the side that he took over. And now that he's been given money this summer and the club is looking more consistent as we go a couple months into his second full season it just feels that a lot of these evaluations were either unaware of the difficulties of the job or just dismissed them.
I am happy to give Arteta more time to implement his idea. EPL is a tough league with so many world class managers now. A top 6 finish this season is a very good achievement for this squad with so many young players.
You better hope our manager is in charge come the time we play you because if we get someone competent in, Arsenal will be primed for tour de force of what this squad is really capable of and it's been a long time coming.