I think they'd be mental to do that. It was a disaster of a job and he's done a really good job rejuvenating the squad and putting together a young side, I think other than Aubameyang and Lacazette everyone playing today was 24 or under.
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I think they'd be mental to do that. It was a disaster of a job and he's done a really good job rejuvenating the squad and putting together a young side, I think other than Aubameyang and Lacazette everyone playing today was 24 or under.
We keep playing meh football and winning. Incredible how we're only 3 points behind Liverpoool. 2 if West Ham's lead holds.
Old Trafford is one of the easiest game on calendar for any half decent team right now.
It’d be peak Arsenal to get smashed there while everyone else is enjoying old Trafford
The next 4 matches should tell us more about this team. Been sneaking past teams, with generally poor control over matches. Feels like Emery's unbeaten run. If we get positive results against Liverpool, Everton and Utd then we might be onto something.
Exactly, last year we were barely creating chances and winning games that could've gone either way. This year we have a lot more creativity, completely dominated Norwich, Tottenham and Villa and should've won by 3 or 4 goals at least. We were unlucky against Crystal Palace with the 2 goals they scored and should've beaten them.
The difference between our actual points and xG points this year compared to last will tell you that.
Don't think any sane Arsenal fan is getting carried away with this run of decent results.
It looks like there's a good base to build from again. A young team, looking organised again, got some decent characters in there as well.
There's a long way to go, & as most have said, a lot of work needed in controlling midfield more & still creating chances through open play, but at least it seems to be going in a direction again.
It looks like there's a good base to build from again. A young team, looking organised again, got some decent characters in there as well.
There's a long way to go, & as most have said, a lot of work needed in controlling midfield more & still creating chances through open play, but at least it seems to be going in a direction again.
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Still needs a genuinely world class midfielder and striker to sort this into something that can actually challenge.
We will never challenge for the league. Our resources arnt there. Our main aim is top 4 going forward where we can hopefully try and compete for the best players.
Anyway nice result. Still lacking something I feel overall. At least we have improved a level this year, I don't see us finishing 8th for a third time this season.
They have a lot of young and interesting players, great athleticism
They will do better than United in the future
They will do better than United in the future
I agree that will be the next 2 positions we will look to strengthen, i would say next summer but interesting to read Di Marzio saying we are trying to secure Vlahovic as early as January. I would have thought that was a Conte target all day long.
Still really unsure if the manager is good enough to get a squad to challenge in a league that now has Pep, Klopp, Tuchel & Conte in it, but adding quality in those 2 positions with Saliba coming back gives a really interesting young team / squad, maybe need another manager to take it to the next level though.
If he picks up points next game I’ll stop calling him Lego until the end of the year.
However shit Arteta is, he is 100x better than Ole. Ole will have this Arsenal squad in relegation spot and cry about buying 11 world class players
Ole got us top 4 with a very average squad in 19/20 so that's a bit harsh.
We were very lucky Leicester choked. He has us in terrible form until Bruno bail his ass out again.
Arsenal's underlying stats are still very underwhelming I don't think they have turned any corner at all their results would soon average out can't see them finishing with anything more than 65 points but who knows it might still be good enough for top 4 this season . Make no mistake he is their Ole sooner they make the change better it would be for them .
I think they're doing ok, still in transition but he's got them going in the right direction, not sure sacking him would prove any value at this moment in time, I'd leave it until the end of the season and re-evaluate then.
he's absolutely not "100x better", based on what? Ole has consistently out performed him points wise in the league. The only thing he's better than Ole at is looking like the lego man. Recent calamitous results from Ole don't change this.I really don't blame you for assuming that other club boards employ sound logic like that of yours.
There's no point going off your rocker altogether, however bleak things are looking currently.
No shit Ole has outperformed him when you compare the squads and spending between us and Arsenal. Remember our manager is a chequebook manager (and not a good one to boot). 3 years 500mil and the result is 0 trophies and we are not even getting closer to Citeh and Pool. We are currently fighting top 4 with Arsenal, West Ham, Spurs, Everton and Leicester. That is our current position. Even lego Pep win a cup so for me he is already 100x better than Ole. Even Ole never beat Arteta I think. Ole would have Arsenal relegated last season or so with his incoherent setup
It was an average squad till Bruno arrived. The bubble, Leicester's injury crisis, Chelsea having no transfers (and Lampard as a manager), and Greenwood's form helped us secure a top 4 that year.Still, we had already spent 150 millions in net.
Lacazette is playing well at the moment for his link up play in the #10 or 2nd striker role but his contract expires next summer. So happy to see Ainsley Maitland-Niles played well as well.
Sorry, I just had to do this. How you feel about Arteta now? I often don’t do this, but with How Arsenal are currently playing, it is hard not to.Has anyone did this yet?
I don't quite understand this mentality in fans to be honest. Football is a results business AND with respect to Arsenal, it's clear that they're in a rebuilding phase with young players. It seems like Arteta's new signings are doing well so far and there seems to be a togetherness in the squad. What criteria would you be using to upgrade him? It would mean re-evaluating your objectives for either short-term gains or just because you think he isn't good enough. He's in a difficult league with very good managers and teams that he needs to compete against. Why not just give the time he needs?
He isn't 100x better. I would say they are equally as shit.
What I've seen so far looks okay from Arsenal with respect to what Arteta is trying to achieve. The problem right now is that after about 30mins, the team looks like they've run out of steam.
To be fair to Ole he got us to third where he played Periera, Lingard, Martial, Mctominay and an inexperienced Rashford for half a season, he’s much better than Arteta.
I don't think it's fair to write off what Ole has done during his tenure because of his troubles this season, but the bolded is obviously not true. Arteta took over a much worse squad, had far less money to spend and had less time in the role. I said it when Arteta was hired that people were judging Arsenal on the name and not the quality of the side, he had a tremendously hard job and is doing well so far, especially considering it's his first job in management.
Again that’s fair enough but last year Ole had probably the fourth best squad in the league and finished second. He’s obviously underperforming right now.
However where ever Arteta is in his curve he isn’t a better manager than even Ole yet.
Some people on here saying Arteta is better than Ole and getting laughed at but a sad fact is Arteta already won the FA cup + community shield with Arsenal, a team with a much worse squad than ours. And I believe he won the FA cup within 6 months of getting hired.
Meanwhile here we are 3 years in with the same man and 0 titles.
Meanwhile here we are 3 years in with the same man and 0 titles.
This is one big lie that has been going on. Where are you getting that from. Arsenal have spent almost same amount of money as United in past 3 seasons. Stop pretending as if Arteta is working on tight budget.
I like trophies but to win FA cup while finishing 8th is not good enough. I rather finish 2nd than finish 8th and win a domestic cup.
I always said that he was the best manager between him, Ole and Lampard and have been proved right I think. It looks like he's finally built a team that he can trust and understands his tactics.
Arteta has spent about 210m, Solksjaer has spent 410m. Until this summer Arteta had been working on a budget, now that he's had money to spend we're seeing the difference.
Don't call me a liar again, or I'll bring up your 150 posts in this thread that highlight your excellent footballing insight.
You haven't. Let's wait til the end of the season.
If you are convinced that someone else would be doing a better job and is available for you, than sign him for that. I really don't see what is so difficult about that idea?
Of course this is his squad and he knows what he wants to do with them, so it is unlikely to find someone better for exactly this squad now, but I don't see why it should be considered impossible?
Because it's hard to gauge if someone will be an improvement, unless it's a literal Klopp or Guardiola. You only have to look at the troubles United have faced when it's come to picking managers, it's not an easy decision. Which is why when Arteta is doing a good job there's virtually no reason to sack him.
The board kept faith with him when many supporters and general football fans had long turned against him, because they knew how difficult the job was and that it wasn't going to be an immediate fix. They've backed him with money this summer and he's rejuvenated the squad and now plays a young side and it's looking like everything is going well, why would they sack him now?
Hang on. You might be proved right in a season or two but there's plenty of time for the wheels to come off the wagon and for them to revert back to type which has been in and around 10th since he came in.
It is extremely unlikely as I said.
But such a move is not unheard of. For example Mainz once fired their manager two days before the first match of the season, after a quite normal preseason, because the DoF thought he had found a better manager for their Bundesliga team. He promoted their U19 manager Thomas Tuchel.