Spurs has a new stadium, new training ground, live within their mean, without external investment, currently fifth in the table, higher revenue than Arsenal and Chelsea, only behind City, United and Liverpool in EPL. If this is a terrible owner then so be it.
Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch
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It's a terrible owner for a manager who has title ambitions. You know perfectly well what that poster meant. There's being reasonable and living within your means, and then there's Levy. Let's not suddenly make out like he's a good owner to work with as a manager.
Spurs could have dropped into West Ham uncertainty very easily, tbf. That they didn't was down to some long term thinking.
As a head coach you work with what you have in the first team/club. Just like Xabi Alonso in Leverkusen, Emery in Aston Villa, De Zerbi in Brighton, Conceicao in Porto, and Inzaghi in Inter. There is always constraint for head coach in most of the clubs.
Laughable takes on Levy, seriously. The best part is that they're coming from Arsenal fans! 
Aye Levy's been great, kept them well fed and sheltered all these years.
They're a weird bunch. It takes some doing to outdo Scouse delusions, but these Arsenal fans are doing it.Laughable takes on Levy, seriously. The best part is that they're coming from Arsenal fans!
This current version of Arsenal under Arteta has nothing to do with Wenger era Arsenal to be honest. Emery was the buffer between the two eras and he tried to make it work with the leftovers from Wenger's team while Arteta has been allowed to dismantle the squad as he saw fit and rebuild it in his image. This is his team and he's done a damn good job of it.
There was a time where I had convinced myself he was a dud but you have to respect the job he's done. He's overhauled the entire squad and he's a built a young, super talented and hungry team that is capable of challenging for the title. Whether he wins the title or not is a different question. He's up against Pep and City. Even Klopp has only managed it once in 7 years and he's considered one top 2/3 coach in the world with a legendary reputation. People often forget this is Arteta's first managerial job. He's only 4 years into his career. It's basically as good a start to his career that any manager could hope for considering the context and circumstances he walked into.
I have family and friends are still not convinced by him. I spend most weekends arguing with them about him where I'm the one defending their manager
I reckon all both Spanish coaches just said 'hijo de puta'
Somebody could spin it as ''he called my mother a bitch/whore'' if they wanted to be a bad faith drama queen, but it's really more a generic insult.
But no idea about Tuchel as he doesn't really fit with the theory...
This is completely correct, and it's also why most Arsenal fans' analysis of Emery is quite unfair. He wasn't right but he actually did pretty well given that we ended up having to pay 8 or 9 of those players to go away. Arteta was given the time and resources to totally overhaul the squad and as you say, has done a great job of that (with a fair amount of help from Edu et al). Most managers don't get that. It'll be very interesting to see how he gets on in his next job, where the circumstances might be different.
I agree. The Spurs fan base have been very critical of the ownership & management group but in truth, they are in very good shape financially while being in top four contention. A lot of clubs could learn from them !!
Couldn't care less about Levy, always found him a smarmy little corporate at worst. He outlived his usefulness at Spurs a while ago so I'm happy they continue to be the nearly theres because of that inaction.Laughable takes on Levy, seriously. The best part is that they're coming from Arsenal fans!
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I want to eat some humble pie - the Champions League is a different beast. I had forgotten - or I'd just not paid attention for 7 years and the level is just insane now. I watched Atletico-Inter last night and found the thought of us playing either of them a bit stomach-churning.
We've got a really good team but it's very young and inexperienced. One of the best in Europe? Alright, I'll back down. Nope. (Not yet anyway...)
I take my hat of (before I’ll eat it).
I think it’s important as well that the feel and style of playing in Europe is different than that of the PL. It takes getting used to, which is part of why the same teams do well in particular European cups year after year often not corresponding to how they do in their home leagues.
Sevilla’s knack of winning the Europa league is just a very cute and weird example of that. If you look at so many of the teams they have beaten in their different EL romps (Klopp’s Liverpool, United several times, Conte’s Inter etc etc), many teams have had every tight to beat them looking at Sevilla’s league form and their own from comparable leagues. It just doesn’t work like that.
Arsenal beating Porto on pens really isn’t more impressive than United losing to Villarreal on pens, but it’s that learning experience that will take the current Arsenal lot closer and closer to the confidence and street smartness teams like Liverpool and Atletico show in that tournament.
Arsenal seem to me two or three years ahead of United in that respect, whereas Solskjær was ahead of Arteta for most of his reign. The difference seems to be the sound processes coming from the top at Arsenal, whereas this is only now starting to happen at United.
He was likeable as a player, not sure why he turned into such a cnut as a coach.
Agreed. I made the point in the Ten Hag thread that the culling of players is something Arsenal were ruthless enough to do, but not United. Maguire is one example, United wanted to get rid of him but baulked over £7m (if reporting was accurate). Compare with Arsenal who wrote off a £72m player in Nicolas Pepe, rather than having him take up space on the fringes of the squad. United might get there eventually but Edu's "shock doctrine" approach of paying off Pepe, Ozil, Aubameyang, Sokratis, Mustafi, Mkhitaryan, Bellerin, Kolasinac and Willian* has helped us to exchange a short-term financial hit for a much lower wage bill and a squad moulded by the manager.
*Unaccountably, Cedric Soares has survived multiple attempts to remove him. He is like Rasputin or something.
Generally comes across as very nasty and mean spirited. Something wrong there, because as you say as a player he was quite a calm relaxed guy.
Comes across as Scrappy Doo more than Dick Dastardly. The manager equivalent of Jack Wilshere.
Yes, and this requires a board/ceo/dof with a clear footballing idea, alligned with a head coach/manager they believe in and who see eye to eye. We will never know if Solskjær had that potential (working in tandem with Carrick/McKenna), it could be argued either way. Most of us didn’t believe Arteta was that coach for Arsenal after consecutive no eight finishes, but the board/edu saw his potential day to day, stuck to him, and were right. At United we hire coaches we don’t believe in when results are bad and fans and media get restless and cranky, because the leaders know nothing about football. It’s full backing one season, no backing the next. We need to get out of that rat hole by having knowledgeable people who can see the potential of the right manager, support his needs and stick to him through the tough periods despite idiots like us (fans) and the knee jerk ex-player know-it-alls who say ‘we didn’t do it like that in the nineties, and see where it brought us’ (Scholesy, Keano, Gaz The Dragon, Rio - I’m looking at you guys!).
I have my fingers crossed.
Fair enough. In general, what was said in response to your posts (and maybe other Arsenal fans) in relation to being "one of the best teams in Europe" due to current performances and underlying metrics and the such, is that it's a bit premature for this side. Proving year after year that you're running for titles is where you prove this. There's a good core in the team, whether or not they'll fulfil their potential as a league/titles winning team remains to be seen, and it's not posturing on an online forum that will have any effect on that.
I was hoping you lost so I could come in and laugh but that's some good self reflection.
I think this is generally true for every side - football was more fun before the Pep revolution. Now it's just robots doing the same things over and over again. I hope the Brazilian school of thought wins out here and kills positional play.
The bookie odds do a pretty good job at capturing if you're the favorites or not and certainly they think Arsenal has more of a chance to win the thing than Inter / Atleti.
Is it possible you answered the wrong post(er) here?
Yes
https://theathletic.com/5395284/2024/04/12/playing-against-arsenal/
Interesting read on other coaches experience playing Arteta's team. Highlights how crucial Rice is to the system.
Interesting read on other coaches experience playing Arteta's team. Highlights how crucial Rice is to the system.
Arsenal 0:2 Aston Villa
Absolute cowards
He'll bottle it again won't he
Did he misplace the special drawing? Arsenals have been missing something today.
Watching some of the running the likes of Odegaard has been doing this season never looked sustainable. Eventually showed in that second half.
Did he misplace the special drawing? Arsenals have been missing something today.
Is that the original?
Very meme-able format.Is that the original?
Incredibly yes, that is actually what Arteta chose to draw to inspire a group of adult footballers.
Crowd leaving already. Fairweather fans. Pathetic way to support a title-contending team.
Imagine actually sacking a manager like Emery for this Lego man.
I still believe if emery was given the backing he got, Arsenal would have won a European trophy by now
You gotta love Arteta: spent a colossal amount of money to win one FA Cup against a fecking Frank Lampard led Chelsea. Yet, is regularly talked about amoung the best.
How can anyone understand what the feck he is saying? The man is waving his arms around throughout the match.
Funny when you hear people say we should keep Ten Hag using Arteta as an example for patience… So far both have only managed a trophy in their first season.
If he had the insane money Arteta has had, yes, he would have won something by now.