Most in England support him and his decision. He is a decent ref. I don't see why this is so controversial. The player could easily have scored either way, but was fouled in the penalty area. United have faced worse decisions e.g. Nani sending off, Scholes disallowed goal vs Porto, Pep had some terrible luck against Liverpool. Maybe I am just out of touch but I would always expect those to be given. BTW I have a soft spot for "the old lady" since your dominant days of the 90's. My favourite Italian club. I just feel this was fair and the stick the ref is getting is unfair.
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It was the right call. Buffon being a moron with his protesting. Not the referee’s job to save his dream or whatever
Still a clear penalty and Buffon comes across as graceless and frankly rather dim. Maybe he misses the good old days for Juve when the ref was in their pocket.
So after repeatedly banging on in this thread about how poor English refs are (as have several others) and without acknowledging the real reason for their absence at the WC you now own up to having little to compare them to as you don't really watch other leagues? Right.
Here's a question for those who think English refs are particularly poor. Which countries are the good ones from? And on what basis are they judged better than those from any other country? Any stats to back up any claims that there is some sort of geographical hotspot for good refs?
If you ask me its due to its global audience that the EPL and it's referees come under a far greater level of scrutiny than any other league and it's officials and 90% of the criticism of certain refs here are due to fans having some sort of perceived bias of certain refs towards their club and/or issues with past decisions particularly involving their own team eg Hart hassling Oliver in the derby - a decision from a game a full 4 years ago that is still being trotted out as an example of one refs inconsistency.
Most refs get most things right most of the time yet internet experts descend on them in hysterical mass when from the comfort of their armchairs and with 20 minutes of slow motion multi angle replay to benefit from indicates that they could've have got it wrong.
Last year I was gutted Buffon didn't win the CL. Now I am glad he won't win it.
It's my retirement year and my team did really well so the ref is trash for calling a clear and obvious foul. He can feck off. He probably influenced many young Italian kids to disrespect the ref.
Hope UEFA throws the book at him and make him retire (by banning him next season)
It's my retirement year and my team did really well so the ref is trash for calling a clear and obvious foul. He can feck off. He probably influenced many young Italian kids to disrespect the ref.
Hope UEFA throws the book at him and make him retire (by banning him next season)
It wasnt really any clear dives, but too little contact to give penalties. You can't blame everything including Buffon's behaviour on the referee, it is getting ridiculous.
Buffon has stated that he stands by his opinion even though he might tone down the language if he had to do it a second time. Perhaps some form of self-awareness in that statement now.
That's an excellent point - I think they (and us) are too fixated on overall consistency for me. Fairness in the 1 game is better for me. and much more possible.
Oliver doesn't do either particularly well though,.
Yes definitely. The dificulty is for the referee to be consistent and to communicate the level to all the players. We have seen a wide range of what is allowed and it is even more difficult in international games as the ref is used to a certain level in his home country. The Swedish commentators said several times that you could see Oliver is a PL ref as he allowed more physical contact than would be allowed in Spain or Italy. That is probably also one reason why both teams whined so much every time a player was biting the grass. The Italian players also complained a lot about the referee allowing to much physical game when Italy lost the WC qualification matches to Sweden, where Sweden played with a lot of tough contact. It must really hard to be the referee in international matches.
Is Michael Oliver your boyfriend?
Is this usually what you do when a person admits they were wrong, jump up their arse more? Can’t imagine why internet arguments go on and on and on. You’ve won you’re argument, what possible need is there to keep banging on?
Good post, this.
This, we (Juve) had a clear cut penalty denied in the first leg late on
Dybala was booked for diving and sent off later for a second yellow
Carvajal, Ronaldo, Vazquez and Marcelo repeatadly dived all game and simulated injury and contact and not one yellow card was given to them for diving and simulation
The penalty was a 50/50 Vazquez couldn't wait to go down as soon as he felt the first bit of contact and Benatia did a get a foot to the ball, I can completely understand why the ref awarded the penalty as I can see arguments for and against to award it
The most important thing, had the roles been reversed and that exact same challange happened the same way in the RM box there is no chance Oliver would have awarded that penalty to Juve in the last minute of the game in the Bernabeu against RM for Juve
There was a clear referee bias towards RM over the 2 legs and that is why Juve are so mad, the penalty was the trigger for all the outrage
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I used to watch a lot of football outside of the PL and Championship, but I don’t anymore, so I can’t compare the officiating quality between English refs and foreign refs either.
Really? Keeping an argument going is a good post?
Another thoroughly mature contribution. Well done.
I admitted that I made a couple of throw away hyperbolic statements, to you that’s “Repeatedly banging on”. I admitted my error, what’s the point in continuing the argument? You won, accept it and move on. Don’t be a poor winner. So yes, I fail to see how continuing an argument YOU WON, is a good post. I see nothing “mature” about that.
Every point is well made.
Fair enough.
What are you on about. Like there wouldn't be any outrage if the reg was "fair" over the 2 games.
A 50/50 call? Watch the footage posted here again. Vasquez is alone on goal in the 6 yard box. First he got pushed over(he still tries to continue to score) then he gets kicked in the side with full force(while not hitting the ball). Its a clear as day penalty and shouldve been a red card. Benatia just acted rash in the heat while he still could've recovered. Buffon acted even more inappropiatly and deserves everything that was coming to him.
Benatia does get the ball, Vazquez has went down faster than a bag of spuds
For me I can see it given and not given so I don't have much complaints about the penalty as I would be shouting penalty if it happened to one of my players
Look at where the ball goes and where Vasquez goes? No way he has anything on the ball. Only Vasquez and he kicks him over, denying him a 100% scoring opportiunity. Denying this is a stonewall penalty is delusion. Nobody would ever debate this one if it didn't fit the narrative.
Why did we get tagged?!
I had never seen so many complaints about the referee making the right call. Is this people really serious, or they are all collectively going the Buffon and Zidane (when he headbutted Matterazzi) way? It's mental.
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The reason isn't the standard of refs though.I thought he got the penalty right but I don't think you need to be a top ref to get it right. He's generally a terrible ref.
He's the guy that allowed Joe Hart to headbutt him, right?
There's a reason not one PL official is going to the World Cup. The standard has been really poor recently.
To put that into perspective: Benatia actually said juventus was raped.
Comedian in question(very famous) called him out on this BS on his show in a very explicit way
juventus showing their class...
Comedian in question(very famous) called him out on this BS on his show in a very explicit way
juventus showing their class...
As if Real have any
Good counter. Relevant.
I'll let you know when one of our players openly equates a ref decision to rape and the club doesn't immediately punish him severely and force him to apologize
Juve fan complaining about cheating. The irony.
And Juve players would never dive or try and trick a ref. fecking get over yourselves.
It was a penalty. I've never seen such despicable action of fans towards a ref after a game. Imagine the outcry if Juventus were Chelsea in the 08/09 CL semi-final.
You don't even respect tradition to give Barca a guard of honour when they did it for you guys
Yes completely ignore any of my relevant points and swing it around the other way because you have no decent counter arguments
And that as we all know is so much worse than a player equating a ref decision to rape with no consequences
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones
http://you-are-the-ref.com/the-ref-show-16th-april-18/
You might be interested in this. Megson and Halsey discussing the penalty.
You might be interested in this. Megson and Halsey discussing the penalty.
Right.
From the guy who thinks Benatia equating a decision to rape and going unpunished with refusing to give another team a guard of honor are comparable
He and his team did very well yesterday in a difficult game between West Ham and Stoke.