Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing only for you
Michael Oliver
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Finally something we can agree on. Excellent.
It's not that big an error considering Buffon shouldn't have been like that in the first place and did make contact with Oliver causing him to move back involuntarily.
I am so glad people are taking the piss on him despite making the right decisions. He deserve that the c**t.
It actually is because that applies to all of his refereeing then
He will make decisions on assumption even if he didn't see it, a ref should never assume
It doesn’t matter what the fans “want to see” or how you view a referee’s job in a “big game”. The rules don’t care what the stage is.
I notice from the VAR discussion you have a firm belief in being correct to the letter of law. Thing is in football there are many gray area, and in big games, many often got overlooked. We also not excluded from this. Remember the CL final in Moscow, there was one instance where Rio had a high foot the height of Joe Cole head. He made poor contact with the ball while the following motion even caught Joe Cole head. By the letter of the law, it was a clear foul but nobody, even for Chelsea side made anything out of it. Why? It's something familiar in football. IIRC it's even in our penalty box. Unless a foul looks blatant in real time in big game, most of the time I saw refs go easy. The more you follow football, I think you should have noticed.
Edit: Between Clattenburg and Oliver, Clatterburg looks more competent and what Clattenburg said showing he understands the bigger pic when it comes to referee profession. His execution can still be very poor though. Oliver on the other hands comes off as naive and reactive as you can get. He can go to WC because he was not within the Elite category of FIFA referee, which points to the 'know how', unspoken rule
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He is in the elite pool I think. I read somewhere that he was promoted by UEFA in January, but that was too late for him to be considered for the World Cup.
It’s difficult alright but he gave home town decisions all night regardless of their merits and he also got the two big calls right (both also in favour of the home team).
Thanks for the info.
Thanks feck he is not in the WC. VAR and him would make perfect recipe for annoying WC
Home team is irrelevant if they are correct. The fact that it’s correct is enough.
I’m only going on highlights, so not best on the ‘home’ decisions. I guess it’s the same as everyone moaning United get all the decisions. Sometimes they are right, most of the time it’s an ABU thing.
How do you know that?
It’s called a rule book, not a suggestion book... that’s why I believe in the rules being applied as stated.
I can accept “Gray areas” existing right now because of human error, but not because the “drama” of a game affected a decision.
As someone whose job involves being a coach, you’d better believe I would, and have, lost my shit on officials who have allowed the stage they were on dictate how they applied the rules to a contest that my atheletes were part of.
Again, as a coach, the stage doesn’t matter to me, and saying “it’s helped us before” won’t sway me.
If one of my athletes breaks a rule, I have to accept and correct it, not make excuses for it because an official made the right call.
Lets be honest here, if Juve has match point and Higuain is about to score and gets hacked like that. If the ref doesn't call the penalty, people would be fuming with anti-Madrid posts.
The disaster of this is that it seems to be elevating the status of Oliver, who is an appalling referee. Regardless of whether or not he was correct in this instance
I wonder if there will be an official report telling us what really happened around Buffon’s red card.
A friend in Italy was more sad for Buffon’s behaviour than the loss. It can never be repaired, he said. I guess he will be suspended for some matches and there are only 7 left in the league. I hope his career doesn’t end sitting on chair watching the final game.
A friend in Italy was more sad for Buffon’s behaviour than the loss. It can never be repaired, he said. I guess he will be suspended for some matches and there are only 7 left in the league. I hope his career doesn’t end sitting on chair watching the final game.
I think it's a scandal Oliver isn't going to the World Cup - who wants to join me in campaigning that he should go?
He can't do any England games, it'd be great.
He can't do any England games, it'd be great.
Well it clearly does matter for Oliver, who is the ref. It shouldn't matter but it sort of does. He may have waved play on if that situation happened for either team earlier. But probably because of the stage, and because of what HE wanted to see, he chose to make that call.
If the ref wants to see something spectacular in the last minute he can make it happen. This is probably a foul but i've seen this sort of thing before with him, and it doesn't take much for him to turn a game on its head in a matter of seconds.
When he makes the right call, its right, and the wrong call its wrong, but it's the timing of some of the calls he makes that exposes his intentions. Which i believe is to be the center of attention.
It was a plain as day penalty.
He's not going to to be suspended for the league though.
He didn’t send benatia off, got that majorly wrong
I think he could. Ronaldo got some league matches for a push on the referee in a cup and Suarez got suspended from everything for his little bite in the WC.
It’s normal to not be 100 % consistent as it is seldom black or white. Both within a match and between matches. And it’s is even mor inconsistent as there are many referees nowadays. I am not even sure it was Oliver who took this penalty as the goal ref was really close and could hardly have missed this push.
I guess that some of you think he should get credit for making such a ballsy call in the last minute? If so, tell me why this call is so much more important to get right than the ones he got wrong? Inconsistency happens but i think the best refs are the ones who master it, not the ones who gives out penalties for small pushes after the time has run out.
In my opinion its a stone wall pen the ref was right and it took courage to give it
I thought he had a good game. He didn't fall for the diving antics from Ronaldo and co in the entire game. And the penalty, in the end, was correct so was the card. No one is bigger than the game. Rules apply to everyone and every club
The people who are defending Buffon would be the first ones who would want players to be carded had it been Barca or Real or City hounding the ref
The people who are defending Buffon would be the first ones who would want players to be carded had it been Barca or Real or City hounding the ref
Double jeopardy, no?
Does that apply to second yellow?
Good point, actually. I forgot he was booked already. It probably doesn't and it shouldn't.
Yeah I think you can forgive Oliver for forgetting to send him off considering how quickly (understandable) the Juve players were in his face. But aye, clearly didn’t get the ball, not an accidental foul, goalscoring opportunity, bare minimum the most clear cut yellow card you can get.
Yeah but that was for cannibalism, not shouting at the ref. I'd be amazed if any further action is taken.
For the love of God, no English referees at the WC. They have shown that they are an incompetent bunch with no understanding for the game. Oliver is a prime example of that-
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Amyone who thought it wasn't a penalty live -or thought it was more no than yes- raise his/her hand
Buffon's red card needs a very good explanation. Benatia finished the game.
Conclusion: Oliver was bad throughout, made one big call right and promptly lost control when juventus players protested the call. Is a shite ref and should not officiate at this level
The turkish guy from the first leg is just as bad btw. In general, what these rounds of CL have shown so far is that the standard of refs in CL is disgusting, and for such a competition where a single mistake by a ref can be the difference between life and death, VAR is a necessity. With all of its problems
Buffon's red card needs a very good explanation. Benatia finished the game.
Conclusion: Oliver was bad throughout, made one big call right and promptly lost control when juventus players protested the call. Is a shite ref and should not officiate at this level
The turkish guy from the first leg is just as bad btw. In general, what these rounds of CL have shown so far is that the standard of refs in CL is disgusting, and for such a competition where a single mistake by a ref can be the difference between life and death, VAR is a necessity. With all of its problems
Because he turned to him straight away after and took the red card out
It was a correct call and without the foul, it would probably been goal. I really don’t see where you are trying to go with this. That he should not make correct decisions if they have big impact? Not giving penalty would have had the same magnitude of impact.
Ronaldo got five games for a small push. Normally, if you get red for attacking a ref there will be some punishment waiting.
The only way the ref keeps control of the Juve players is if he never gave the pen.
Whats he meant to do? Choke them out?
Or is keeping control imean ignoring the stampede of footballers rushing him just to keep 11 on the field? He can't even hand out yellows without sending 2/3 off.
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He's meant to keep his cool, not react emotionally and send the team's captain off for no good reason. Have a bit more sense
You can tell he was overwhelmed because he doesn't even send off Benatia
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