Michael Oliver
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Had a few beers and posted in the wrong thread.He has a garbage bag instead of heart
The referee hasn't done much wrong. We only have ourselves to blame.
We were shit this has nothing to do with Oliver. Let's not be bitter.
Chelsea arguably should have got a pen as well.
Chelsea arguably should have got a pen as well.
He's been good today.
Why can criticism of a referee not be independent of our performance? Nobody is saying we lost because of him.
He's shocking. The worst referee I have ever seen in England apart from atwell maybe.
He's shocking. The worst referee I have ever seen in England apart from atwell maybe.
Didn't do much wrong.
Was good today, Moses should have been booked my only criticism.
Aside from giving Hazard whatever he wanted, we can have no complaints today.
Typical Oliver game. Professional fouls go unpunished and he didn't have to make a hard decision so people will say he had a good game but frankly his football always benefits the team on defense because they can foul without getting carded.
Valencia card was therefor poor by the standard that he set in the game because he had let similar fouls go without a card before and Valencia was one of the few not acting like a cnut towards the officials. Maybe he should have hurled abuse because all who did got nothing.
Valencia card was therefor poor by the standard that he set in the game because he had let similar fouls go without a card before and Valencia was one of the few not acting like a cnut towards the officials. Maybe he should have hurled abuse because all who did got nothing.
Did well today. We didn' lose because of him.
Usual c*ntish performance from Oliver today. Ridiculous number of free kicks given to Hazard, who went down every time a United player was near him. Refused to book Kante after 10 minutes for a clear professional foul on Lingard. Booked Valencia for his first foul of the game. Moses not booked for several fouls on Young. It's always the same with him, he always lets the opposition get away with stuff they should be penalised for. Our record when he is on the whistle is appalling, with just 10 wins out of 27 matches.
http://www.worldfootball.net/referee_summary/michael-oliver_2/manchester-united/4/
http://www.worldfootball.net/referee_summary/michael-oliver_2/manchester-united/4/
Crap ref but no complaints from me today. Probably should have been a penalty when Young handballed it, but apart from that he did fine.
I think this is right, he was ok apart from booking anyone who dared to touch Hazard and then not applying the same standard to other fouls.
Should've booked Fabregas and Young for diving.
Get a grip. He got every big decision right today. You should go and be a Liverpool fan if you blame the ref for our performance, that’s what they do, we should be better than that. We weren’t good enough.
He's a shit ref who almost encourages game management from our opposition but rules like a tyrant against our players. Can't stand him
... but didn’t effect the game today and didn’t make any incorrect decisions!!
Moses should have been booked sooner no doubt, Jones could very well have seen a red, didn’t see Young’s hand ball. He didn’t effect the overall result.
I've got a real issue with referees, like Oliver, who officiate extremely inconsistently. Valencia made one foul at the half way line on Hazard, instant yellow. Moses hacks down Young in more advanced positions all game, nothing. Every time Hazard went to ground, he'd blow up and we'd lose our momentum - the Oliver/Hazard combo was Chelsea's most potent outlet today.
Yeah, we should have done better with the chances we had and Michael Oliver isn't the reason why the score was 1-0 but I can still say he's an anti-United twat.
I thought he reffed the petty fouls on Hazard quite well, tbh. In that, they probably were fouls that Hazard wanted to get but they were fouls. None of them was a yellow card tackle & none of them were really in game affecting situations to deny significant breaks either. They were all part of the game, Hazard wasn't being clogged round the park or anything - not even to the extent of the previous game where the silly red was out a bit too early for most of us. So Oliver managed that quite well this time, you could say.
But... Chelsea got allowed to stop the game whenever they liked, Valencia got rightly booked for me tbf, but not fair in comparison to Moses. Where was the free kick for Ashley Young? <--- Hazard would have got 2 for that. Smalling might have been a penalty, maybe he didn't see it.
Which is all sour grapes, and doesn't alter the game as such.
But he's still a shite ref who obviously & blatantly never seems that he gives us very much, isn't it?
I thought we were fortunate with the Ashley Young handball, that went our way in that it could easily have been given whether you agree with it or not.
So... you could go through what I've just posted, probably take it apart & say well... he didn't do us over yesterday (he didn't really) - even say he wasn't totally terrible if you want to & maybe you'd be right & I'm wrong. Opinions etc.
But... and this is the worst for me - there are just so many times in nearly every game that MO does, that he arrives at the scene of a decision & you have absolutely no idea what he's going to do, and you're not sure which way he's going to give it. And yes, I am saying it's like that all the time with him.
There are some other not-great refs occasionally giving visibly worse decisions maybe - but they at least give you a clue with previous precedent & have some pretence of looking like they aren't actually making it up as they go along or just plain guessing like this bell-end appears to be doing about 50 times a game.
But... Chelsea got allowed to stop the game whenever they liked, Valencia got rightly booked for me tbf, but not fair in comparison to Moses. Where was the free kick for Ashley Young? <--- Hazard would have got 2 for that. Smalling might have been a penalty, maybe he didn't see it.
Which is all sour grapes, and doesn't alter the game as such.
But he's still a shite ref who obviously & blatantly never seems that he gives us very much, isn't it?
I thought we were fortunate with the Ashley Young handball, that went our way in that it could easily have been given whether you agree with it or not.
So... you could go through what I've just posted, probably take it apart & say well... he didn't do us over yesterday (he didn't really) - even say he wasn't totally terrible if you want to & maybe you'd be right & I'm wrong. Opinions etc.
But... and this is the worst for me - there are just so many times in nearly every game that MO does, that he arrives at the scene of a decision & you have absolutely no idea what he's going to do, and you're not sure which way he's going to give it. And yes, I am saying it's like that all the time with him.
There are some other not-great refs occasionally giving visibly worse decisions maybe - but they at least give you a clue with previous precedent & have some pretence of looking like they aren't actually making it up as they go along or just plain guessing like this bell-end appears to be doing about 50 times a game.
Didn't even notice him.
That was my main issue with the ref. Even the first Moses challenge, you could argue it was a yellow, so when valencia made that challenge and got booked straight away, it actually made me laugh it was that ridiculous.
I'm not blaming Oliver for the defeat today, that would be stupid. But people saying the ref had a good game is just laughable.
The main gripes were him favouring hazard as expected, moses not getting booked when he should have and kante not getting booked when we were on the counter
Oliver did very well. Could have given a pen against Young.
Give it a rest some of you, we were crap yesterday, the ref did ok.
Ref was fine, the Young thing was clear penalty as well so we can't complain.
Exactly, though Oliver was sound - biggest mistake he made was not giving Chelsea a 2nd penalty. We have nobody to blame but ourselves
Can we not have a whine about Oliver for a bit of variety?
No one seems to be saying that Utd weren't crap.
No one seems to be saying that Utd weren't crap.
Moses got away with 4/5 fouls on Young. If he had of booked him early he would not have lasted long on the field.
Oliver had a good match.
The handball was never a penalty. They cant give a penalty everytime the ball touch the hand.
Players with skills would just look for that if they cant see any better option.
The handball was never a penalty. They cant give a penalty everytime the ball touch the hand.
Players with skills would just look for that if they cant see any better option.
He's shit, period. Also has a real hard on for Hazard it seems.
United were terrible yesterday and would have lost with no referee but it does not change the fact that Oliver is massively inconsistent in his decision making which leaves people frustrated.
We could if we were being objective. To use VAR and not give that was the moment I stopped caring about winning the game, to be honest. It was embarrassing to see such a blatant attempt to keep the match competitive.
Got almost everything right as usual. Good referee
Red cafe thought process
Independent opinion: Michael Oliver is a terrible referee, incredibly frustrating every game
Redcafe: we didn’t lose because of Oliver!! We were rubbish ref was fine piss off to rawk!!
Similar to
Independent view: finishing second shows movement in the right directiom even though I still have some reservations about our ability to kick on further. Still 2nd on 81pts is better to see than 7th, 6th 5th and 4th.
Redcafe: we are Manchester United we don’t celebrate second!! Losers attitude!! This is why we can’t challenge.
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Not every opinion or observation has to be intrinsically linked to another . Nobody, or the very bare minimum are remotely suggesting we lost because of the referee.
Independent opinion: Michael Oliver is a terrible referee, incredibly frustrating every game
Redcafe: we didn’t lose because of Oliver!! We were rubbish ref was fine piss off to rawk!!
Similar to
Independent view: finishing second shows movement in the right directiom even though I still have some reservations about our ability to kick on further. Still 2nd on 81pts is better to see than 7th, 6th 5th and 4th.
Redcafe: we are Manchester United we don’t celebrate second!! Losers attitude!! This is why we can’t challenge.
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Not every opinion or observation has to be intrinsically linked to another . Nobody, or the very bare minimum are remotely suggesting we lost because of the referee.
He definitely has a chip on his shoulder when it comes to us.
How Moses didn't get booked on at least two occasions I have no idea. Yet Valencia was booked on his first challenge.
He's an infuriating ref, even considering the dogshit quality of refs in this country.
How Moses didn't get booked on at least two occasions I have no idea. Yet Valencia was booked on his first challenge.
He's an infuriating ref, even considering the dogshit quality of refs in this country.
Best of luck getting this simple concept into people's heads.