Michael Oliver

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Raoul said:
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Surely you are probably not the first one who try derail the top 4 thread. But as some others have done that (including me :D) and it made the thread off topic, if you post something off topic on that thread from now on you will be thread banned without warning.

The player needs to be protected on the field. Imagine if everyone can kick or make a foul on him - just make a slight foul below a yellow card standard - then there would be 11 fouls on a single player during that game. But because all fouls were made by different players and below a yellow card standard, there was NO card for his opponents. That just won't happen.

If a player has been fouled 3-4 times in just less than 45 minutes, then this player should be on the protection list. There should be a warning to other players not to foul on him. Whoever crossing that line needs to be punished.
 
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Haven't seen such a biased shitshow since Atkinson at the bridge. What a gutless little bitch. Hopefully he'll find his level at officiating fifth grade school girls. Wish nothing but the worse for his pathetic career as ref.
 
WackyWengerWorld said:
It's laughable that United fans think they're hard done to here. And I wanted you lot to go through because Chelsea are the bigger threat BUT I was glad you didn't after Mourinho sent you out to kick the shit out of the opposition. Horrible cynical tactics. And that's why Conte was so pissed off with him.

Both incidents were clear Yellows, Herrera is lucky he doesn't have 3-4 reds this season. Rojo stamped on Hazard too and should of been off. Oliver was kind to you!!!

Conte is class, Mourinho is trash
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Terrible attempt at wumming. But i guess that's where you get your jollies from given your shower of a club.
 
WackyWengerWorld said:
Strangely the second none United fan saw that as a yellow it's almost as if people not associated with United have a more impartial judgement.

I will re-iterate I was gunning for United to pull this one off because Chelsea are obviously the harder opponent.
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States "Mourinho is trash" then accuses United fans of not having impartiality.

Can someone ban this wum? It makes a joke of this forum.
 
Normally I think the posters here are very quick to blame referees but I think Oliver was a bit hasty with the red tonight. Don't get me wrong, it's possible to look at both of those as yellow card offences. But putting them both together, it's a harsh sending off for me in a quarter final of the FA Cup. I don't think Herrera or United can have too many complaints because he gave the referee a decision to make - there's no doubt of that. But maybe a final warning for Herrera would have done the job as opposed to ruining the match. (Not that it was exciting anyway)
 
Classical Mechanic said:
WackyWengerWorld evidently. It is a place of constant mediocrity and disappointment.
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Classical Mechanic said:
WackyWengerWorld evidently. It is a place of constant mediocrity and disappointment.
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It's also a place of extreme hypocrisy. Wenger's Arsenal, when they visited the Bridge to play Mourinho's Chelsea recently, committed 14 fouls, received 2 yellows and 2 reds. I wonder if Mourinho is trash, what that makes wacky Wenger, other than a gigantic hypocrite?
 
The Purist said:
Normally I think the posters here are very quick to blame referees but I think Oliver was a bit hasty with the red tonight. Don't get me wrong, it's possible to look at both of those as yellow card offences. But putting them both together, it's a harsh sending off for me in a quarter final of the FA Cup. I don't think Herrera or United can have too many complaints because he gave the referee a decision to make - there's no doubt of that. But maybe a final warning for Herrera would have done the job as opposed to ruining the match. (Not that it was exciting anyway)
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Exactly. The yellow would have been justified if Jones committed the foul. But the second yellow was given to Herrera on a soft foul with Hazard creating contact. Wasn't surprised though, Michael Oliver has the emotional intelligence of a 5 year old. If you don't do exactly what he wants immediately, he tends to try and show his power. He also comes across as a condescending prick with how he seems to talk to players, thought it might just be his face not sure.
 


Looks like Oliver may have been correct to book Herrera. I have never heard of this before. To me its not fair on the player getting booked.
 
TheReligion said:
Would be valid if the first yellow was legit. It wasn't.
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Mike Dean got pilloried in the press for sending off fazouhli (west ham player) yet that same press is furiously defending Oliver when he sends off our player.

At the end of the day, it is truly ridiculous to send off a player for 2 soft 'fouls', no matter how you try to spin it. Oliver ruined the match.
 
Fridge chutney said:
Mike Dean got pilloried in the press for sending off fazouhli (west ham player) yet that same press is furiously defending Oliver when he sends off our player.

At the end of the day, it is truly ridiculous to send off a player for 2 soft 'fouls', no matter how you try to spin it. Oliver ruined the match.
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It was stupid but we all know Oliver is a coward. He let Joe Hart treat him like a dog.
 
His game management is always messy. He wants to use every little trick in the book to micromanage games and this is just another area of a referee backing himself into a corner instead of dealing with the Jones repeated foul instance properly by producing a card when he should have.

I honestly don't think he's a very good ref, but that is my opinion.
 
ALL the things people are saying here happen to be true -

1 - there was an element of persistent fouling with Hazard as the target due to being the Chelsea dangerman
2 - Herrera was a bit silly I suppose
3 - Herrera yellow cards were a bit soft - in not adding up to a red certainly
4 - Oliver is a piss poor referee who can't 'manage' a game to save his life, is woefully inconsistent & appears to like giving Utd the shitty end of the stick

Put those 'facts' together & here we are.

Oliver takes booking or not booking people for the purposes of 'game management' to stupid extremes is about the only sensible overall conclusion I can offer.
 
Yes, it's very strange refereeing with little or no consistency (how many worse fouls than both of Herrera's did Valencia get away with?).

However, I have to lay the blame at Herrera's door. Both of the offenses are brainless. The first one is just so blatant, it's perfectly possible to obstruct Hazard there without giving a way a yellow card.

And the second foul, seconds after Oliver clearly states that the next who fouls Hazard gets booked... Well. It's just so, so stupid by Herrera, and it's cost us the game.
 
SER19 said:
For the love of god please can people stop citing the talking to with smalling prior to the red as some sort of justification for it.

It's a truly absurd and downright stupid thing to say. You can't book a player for persistent fouling when the fouling is from a collection of players.

It's just a mental thing to say! By the same logic should Herrera not have been red carded had the foul not been on hazard. I can't believe people that say it are actually smart enough to be alive.

Oliver fecked up. His adrenaline was flowing and yet again he failed to take a breath and think. It was terrible refereeing.
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Again, you absolutely can. http://asktheref.com/Soccer Rules/Question/29883/

As mentioned the tactical aspect of PI carries over from an individual's cautionable misconduct to a team tactic of USB when an entire team takes turns targeting a valued opposing single player of reputation and tries to deliberately foul him to intimidate or in desperation and make it appear random.
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often in the team tactic he calls out the captain to warn that a continuation of the targeting of the opposing player by any type of fouls could result in additional misconduct for the next player who fouls this opponent .
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This is not in the Laws of the Game as such because the laws merely state the rules and not its interpretations. Refs receive additional texts to help them interpret the laws and one of those guidelines is to be wary of team tactics against a single player, take note of patterns and warn teams and team captains in particular that a continuation of this pattern will result in a caution at the next offence. This is exactly what happened yesterday.

More: http://asktheref.com/Soccer Rules/Question/22903/
Persistent infringement exists as a means to help a referee control a match. It can be either a series of offenses committed by one player on a team against the opponent, or one offense in a series committed by a team against an opponent.
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Herrera was simply found guilty by association. His second card was never warranted. Oliver just bowed to pressure from the touchline and crowd due to Jones' tackle a minute earlier.
 
Dumbstar said:
Agreed, booking Jones would have probably taken the sting out. Wouldn't be surprised if refs are watching that incident as a big learn.

But yes Herrera is intelligent enough to read situations all over the pitch, he misread this one thinking no way is the ref going to risk looking a fool to book him for a minor foul. But the brinkmanship didn't pay off.
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You really think players think that deep whilst the game is ongoing? It was a minor foul which happens all the time in football.

Calling that brinkmanship?
 
mav_9me said:


Looks like Oliver may have been correct to book Herrera. I have never heard of this before. To me its not fair on the player getting booked.
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A while back, I think a player (Arsenal one, i think but not sure) was on a yellow card and scored and jumped into the crowd

By law, it was a second yellow and therefore a red. But Oliver refused to do it and cited "the common sense law" which is fair enough and I'd agree with

But every United game, whenever he has the chance to evoke that common sense, he chooses not to. He'll punish us every single time.

He's not outwardly bias, he doesn't walk on the field and start sending off our players for sneezing, but he's very crafty and smart about it. He definitely has an inner dislike of United. It happens too often not to.
 
what was worrying is how quickly he went for his card, any top referee gives himself a couple of minutes to look at the situation and to then give a decision so that its him making the decision and not the influence of the crowd or manager. The big problem for football is sending players off for so little sends the wrong message and kind of eliminates a lot of whats good about football, we want to see physical duels, there was no harm in what herrera did but overall may have deserved a yellow but certainly not a red. Oliver is experienced enough now to no not to be influenced as he often seems to, if the crowd get on his back he folds so quickly its untrue.
 
I know there is a rule that states that you can be booked for persistant fouling, but you can't send a player off for that kind of a tackle. You just can't. Herrerad had possibly 3 fouls the entire game and got 2 yellow cards, none of which were bad incidents.

Chelsea could simply give the ball to Hazard and let him dribble around for 10 minutes - and if one of our players with a yellow was so unlucky to touch him, he would be sent off.

So yes Michael Oliver did nothing wrong if you only look at the laws of the game - he was just stupid that he put himself i that position. And he ruined a good game.
 
Wasn't he the one who booked Di Maria twice in a min and didn't even give second yellow for Bellerin when he mistimed his sliding tackle?

In short time he has great history with ManUtd.
 
Not sure how people can stand up for Oliver here. You can't just pick out one player to punish while being lenient to every other player on the pitch. It's about consistently. Hererra didn't commit two yellow card offenses. You can't just send a player off to prove a point.
 
roonster09 said:
Wasn't he the one who booked Di Maria twice in a min and didn't even give second yellow for Bellerin when he mistimed his sliding tackle?

In short time he has great history with ManUtd.
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Yes, he was. That was the moment I realized he's an ugly thundercnut.
 
Michael Oliver in every other game I've watched this season has flat out refused to book anyone in the first half of a game, unless they have done something that should have been a red card. Then last night, he suddenly sends someone off for the only two fouls they committ, neither of which were even yellow cards.

Coupled with Hazard's ridiculous diving and the way it stopped the second a red card was given, it's really hard not to be suspicious.

It all just looked a bit too orchestrated.
 
This 'Persistent Infringement' text that people keep posting is from supporting advice given by the United States Soccer Federation. It's not actually in the laws of the game and that is not the FA and not FIFA.

Even it were true that Oliver could book Herrera in that way... just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. Two soft yellow cards and he's completely killed the game. Millions of people watching at home and thousands who have paid good money to be there and follow their team, yet he has done his very best to make sure that it doesn't stay 11-a-side and the story is all about him.
 
Sultan said:
You really think players think that deep whilst the game is ongoing? It was a minor foul which happens all the time in football.

Calling that brinkmanship?
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I've played football for a long time. I'm always thinking about what's going on in everyone's mind in each situation, players and ref.
 
People are saying he ruined them game, but there is no doubt that both infringements were technically bookable offences, you certainly see similar bookings given for similar infringements every week in the Leagues. Yes it did ruin the game, but by talking to Smalling with an alleged warning you could say Oliver did try to keep it 'nice'....!
 
BonkersIam said:
Actually you can

2.28.3 PERSISTENT INFRINGEMENT
Persistent infringement occurs when a player repeatedly commits fouls or certain other infringements. It is not necessary for the multiple fouls to be of the same type or all to be direct free kick fouls, but infringements must be among those covered in Law 12 or involve repeated violations of Law 14. In most cases, the referee should warn the player that the pattern has been observed and, upon a subsequent violation, must then issue the caution. If the pattern is quickly and blatantly established, then the warning should be omitted and the referee should take immediate action. In determining whether there is persistent infringement, all fouls are considered, including those to which advantage has been applied.

The referee must also recognize when a single opponent has become the target of fouls by multiple players. As above, upon recognizing the pattern, the referee should clearly indicate that the pattern has been observed and that further fouls against this opponent must cease. If another player commits a foul against the targeted opponent, that player must be cautioned but, in this case, the misconduct should be reported as unsporting behavior, as must any subsequent caution of any further foul against that same targeted opponent. Eventually, the team will get the message.
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Great find.
 
mav_9me said:


Looks like Oliver may have been correct to book Herrera. I have never heard of this before. To me its not fair on the player getting booked.
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We didnt repeatedly target Hazard anyway he was diving all over the place. Plus Oliver didn't instruct the team he told 2 players and booked another he hadn't spoke to 3 seconds later.
 
Imagine the uproar on here if it had been a Utd player systematically targeted with several fouls in the first half hour.

Isn't it rather ironic that when Mourinho managed Eden Hazard, he used to whinge after most matches saying refs don't give the player (Hazard) any protection ... karma
 
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BonkersIam said:
Imagine the uproar on here if it had been a Utd player systematically targeted with several fouls in the first half hour.

Isn't it rather ironic that whem Mourinho managed Eden Hazard, he used to whinge after most matches saying refs don't give the player (Hazard) any protection ... karma
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We were hardly hatcheting him ffs, the players were tightly marking but nowhere near kicking lumps out of him. Every tiny bit of pressure he receives he hits the floor rolling around. It was mainly bumps and a trips at worst.

The crowd and Conte played a huge part in getting into Olivers head.
 
Adam-Utd said:
The crowd and Conte played a huge part in getting into Olivers head.
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Conte especially, his reactions are ridiculously over the top. He is blatantly trying to influence the referee at every decision.
 
Adam-Utd said:
We were hardly hatcheting him ffs, the players were tightly marking but nowhere near kicking lumps out of him. Every tiny bit of pressure he receives he hits the floor rolling around. It was mainly bumps and a trips at worst.

The crowd and Conte played a huge part in getting into Olivers head.
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there were at least 4 fouls on him especially after he started running and turning at Utd midfield.
What did Conte do to get inside Olivers head by the way especially to convince him to send a player off?

#Clutching at straws
 
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