Michael Oliver

Mrs Smoker said:
I am terrible at remembering these things...were they controversial decisions?
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Oh they were all penalties from what i remember especially the two Fellaini fouls, the Pogba handball was the other one.

I doubt we would have been given them though, when it comes to incidents in our box this season the refs have been eagle eyed machines. But in the oppositions box they don't see much of anything.
 
We got two players sent off in two out of the last three FA quarter finals by that fecking cnut.

Bet he got Liverpool tattoos under his shirt. Words can't describe how much I despise that gimp.
 
Oliver is dogshiit, we all knew that coming into this game.

Herrera is often dirty and let's face it if he wasn't one of us we would be hating his guts but he really didn't deserve to be sent off vs. Chelsea.

He made 2 tackles in total and none of which was harsh enough to be booked immediately without being given a warning. You don't give 2 yellow cards like that unless the 2ND offense is some disastrous tackle or shirt pull or a blatant handball.

Sole fact that Oliver completely ignored Valencia's tackles show's he was aware of his bad decision against Herrera and he was compensating for it.
 
Fracture90 said:
Oliver is dogshiit, we all knew that coming into this game.

Herrera is often dirty and let's face it if he wasn't one of us we would be hating his guts but he really didn't deserve to be sent off vs. Chelsea.

He made 2 tackles in total and none of which was harsh enough to be booked immediately without being given a warning. You don't give 2 yellow cards like that unless the 2ND offense is some disastrous tackle or shirt pull or a blatant handball.

Sole fact that Oliver completely ignored Valencia's tackles show's he was aware of his bad decision against Herrera and he was compensating for it.
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I think you might be giving him too much credit here, with most refs i doubt they realize when they've made a balls up and/or give a feck if they do. Its just inconsistent refereeing.
 
stevoc said:
I think you might be giving him too much credit here, with most refs i doubt they realize when they've made a balls up and/or give a feck if they do. Its just inconsistent refereeing.
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Could be either of those tbh.

But the fact that he's dogshiit, stands firm.
 
Fridge chutney said:
Mike Dean got pilloried in the press for sending off fazouhli (west ham player) yet that same press is furiously defending Oliver when he sends off our player.

At the end of the day, it is truly ridiculous to send off a player for 2 soft 'fouls', no matter how you try to spin it. Oliver ruined the match.
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They are nothing alike. Herrera's red was soft but justifiable. The Feghouli red was just a terrible decision with no justifiable basis.
 
I think what's really frustrating is there is no higher body in the league to take control and ask questions to the FA for these ridiculous refereeing performance's week in, week out, were expected to forget and move on, how about Michael Oliver is charged and made to pay a fine for all his shocking decisons, or forget financial penalty's but how about him being banned for 2 week's or something along those lines,

In today's game these "decisions" can be the difference between a title, champions league qualification, relegation etc and were all supposed to just move on like it's normal
 
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Was it him who sent dí Maria off for just touching him? I see players do this every match, in every league, no matter if they're on a yellow or not, and have never seen a player booked for it before or since.
 
Yagami said:
Was it him who sent dí Maria off for just touching him? I see players do this every match, in every league, no matter if they're on a yellow or not, and have never seen a player booked for it before or since.
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It most certainly was.
 
SirAF said:
It most certainly was.
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I just sigh whenever I see him now.

On Angel, he's responsible for 2 of the most absurd things I've seen in football in recent years. The said red card, and catching the ball at Juanfield. It's a shame I can't remember his time here for his actual footballing quality, but at least he reminds me of Juanfield!:drool:
 
Football is becoming favorable to the theatrics.. Lets face it Hazard and Costa dived all night long and didnt get carded for that though the rules and regulations say so.. Same thing happened in the Barca.- Psg match where Neymar and Suarez could dive until they recieved some rewards instead of being warned.

This Herrera thing shows just how these things have shifted and refs are picking up rules they like and ignoring the others. Herrera "fouled" twice neither a bookable offence but still got sent off and people try to rectify the refs crazy logic. Was Hazard a victim of a serial fouling? No..
Were those 4 fouls bookable offences? No.
Did anyone foul him more often than twice? No. So what was this?

Oliver has proven before that he isn't predictable in his "controlling" of matches.
He has shown his cards regarding Utd many times.

This was one of those cases where the ref took the leading role in the match and he knew what he was doing.. The problem is that they get away with this and sadly the refs that are in the game all seem to want to be stars..
 
The Purist said:
They are nothing alike. Herrera's red was soft but justifiable. The Feghouli red was just a terrible decision with no justifiable basis.
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You have got to be kidding me. Ferghouli jumped into a challenge with his studs showing, both feet off the ground, and from Dean's perspective it constitutes dangerous play. Wrong call, but it is justifiable, and at least a yellow. Herrera commits 2 soft fouls and is off and that's justifiable instead? Wrong call again, no way should you be sent off for that. Reaction of the press in each case is completely different, and it is a double standard.
 
He's just sent off a Besiktas player on the lino's advice. Replay to crap to see if it was a good call- massively off the ball. I'm guessing he's hated in Turkey now too.
 
arthurka said:
Football is becoming favorable to the theatrics.. Lets face it Hazard and Costa dived all night long and didnt get carded for that though the rules and regulations say so.. Same thing happened in the Barca.- Psg match where Neymar and Suarez could dive until they recieved some rewards instead of being warned.

This Herrera thing shows just how these things have shifted and refs are picking up rules they like and ignoring the others. Herrera "fouled" twice neither a bookable offence but still got sent off and people try to rectify the refs crazy logic. Was Hazard a victim of a serial fouling? No..
Were those 4 fouls bookable offences? No.
Did anyone foul him more often than twice? No. So what was this?

Oliver has proven before that he isn't predictable in his "controlling" of matches.
He has shown his cards regarding Utd many times.

This was one of those cases where the ref took the leading role in the match and he knew what he was doing.. The problem is that they get away with this and sadly the refs that are in the game all seem to want to be stars..
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Brilliant post but only thing is I think Oliver is that bad he doesn't know what he was doing.
 
Jippy said:
He's just sent off a Besiktas player on the lino's advice. Replay to crap to see if it was a good call- massively off the ball. I'm guessing he's hated in Turkey now too.
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Ffs knowing Turks and their football he'll probably won't make it to airport.
 
Adisa said:
This is all you need to know about his kind. Won't be long before refs start demanding a cut of the premier league tv right deal.
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to be fair, they are underpaid relative to what the job entails. £70k sounds like a lot, but for what they have to put up with, and the skills needed to actually be competent it doesn't really stack up. And I say that as one of the harshest critics of the referees in this league.
 
Drainy said:
to be fair, they are underpaid relative to what the job entails. £70k sounds like a lot, but for what they have to put up with, and the skills needed to actually be competent it doesn't really stack up. And I say that as one of the harshest critics of the referees in this league.
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Is a premier league ref worth 2.5x nurses? I know these comparisons are specious at best, but I'd argue they're well paid for what they do. Granted the level of scrutiny must be tough to take.
 
Drainy said:
to be fair, they are underpaid relative to what the job entails. £70k sounds like a lot, but for what they have to put up with, and the skills needed to actually be competent it doesn't really stack up. And I say that as one of the harshest critics of the referees in this league.
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The £70k doesn't include the training, the paid trips, the free access to psychologists etc. My main point is no one is paying to see referees but they're beginning to think they're part of the show.
 
Drainy said:
to be fair, they are underpaid relative to what the job entails. £70k sounds like a lot, but for what they have to put up with, and the skills needed to actually be competent it doesn't really stack up. And I say that as one of the harshest critics of the referees in this league.
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Oliver should be made give it back, ffs.
 
Adisa said:
The £70k doesn't include the training, the paid trips, the free access to psychologists etc. My main point is no one is paying to see referees but they're beginning to think they're part of the show.
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and without enough competent referees it would ruin the show. They are paid too little compared to their level of responsibility for the game.
They should either be paid a greater share of the money that football generates, or offered additional support to reduce the burden of responsibility on them (such as technological solutions)

Jippy said:
Is a premier league ref worth 2.5x nurses? I know these comparisons are specious at best, but I'd argue they're well paid for what they do. Granted the level of scrutiny must be tough to take.
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If you put in those terms then no. Nurses are more valuable to society than referees. Nurses are more 'important' than footballers too, the issue is the number of competent people willing to do it against the number of positions at the given market salary, the money in the market, and the demand to attract the best people.
 
Drainy said:
and without enough competent referees it would ruin the show.
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With the amount of stuff they get wrong on a weekly basis, I'm surprised that you're arguing that point. I mean, if you took every contentious call this season and flipped a coin as to determine the outcome, I don't think you'd be far off the Premier League refs' ratio this season.

These guys are supposed to be the best in the game, and they're hugely influencing results by making incorrect calls. I've a hard time thinking that more people couldn't do the job as well as that select group of 20 refs.
 
Anustart89 said:
With the amount of stuff they get wrong on a weekly basis, I'm surprised that you're arguing that point. I mean, if you took every contentious call this season and flipped a coin as to determine the outcome, I don't think you'd be far off the Premier League refs' ratio this season.
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pay more and attract better people. Or reduce the responsibility of the inepteroids that you are stuck with..

I stated that the current referees are not good enough, they are a bunch of feckwits but the role should pay more relative to their responsibility in the market they work in.

They are people who make multi million pound decisions with very little help and are under constant public scrutiny. £70k for that is a bit low to attract a better crop of candidates in the future - IMO
 
Fridge chutney said:
You have got to be kidding me. Ferghouli jumped into a challenge with his studs showing, both feet off the ground, and from Dean's perspective it constitutes dangerous play. Wrong call, but it is justifiable, and at least a yellow. Herrera commits 2 soft fouls and is off and that's justifiable instead? Wrong call again, no way should you be sent off for that. Reaction of the press in each case is completely different, and it is a double standard.
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Having read your posts previous it's clear that your bias leads you to post nonsensically and therefore a discussion will lead us nowhere so I will agree to disagree.
 
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