Michael Oliver

Pexbo said:
Definitely seen them given and I wouldn't argue if he had (I would, because I fecking hate Michael Oliver), I think the only thing in his favour was his feet facing down and being in some form of control by landing and sliding before he reached the player.
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when Jamie Vardy did the same thing with the aid of being pushed as well at Stoke this forum and pretty much every other to be fair were saying it was a certain red card
 
Ainu said:
I'm not sure what you're arguing against. As I said, it is explicitly stated that there's no definition of the number or pattern that constitutes "persistent", which quite literally means it's at the ref's discretion. Another useful source I've found is a question and answer on exactly this situation on Asktheref.com. http://asktheref.com/Soccer Rules/Question/24316/



This is a named and licensed referee saying exactly the same thing as what I and a couple of others have tried to argue in this thread. You can continue to dismiss this on the basis that it's not literally stated, word for word, that a ref can book a player when he had warned a team for fouls by other players, or you can look at all of this information from a distance and come to a sensible conclusion. The choice is yours.
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Very well said. This is also the same case in rugby too, only difference being that you can hear the refs explaining themselves in that sport.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Ok, I agree. I think the referee has a duty to think about the game as a spectacle. And you can argue that it was a soft foul to ruin the contest. But relying on the referee to think of the fans is an incredibly risky strategy.
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I'm not suggesting he should be thinking of the fans, that's an unfortunate side effect, I'm just saying he's wrong to back himself into that corner. I think it's poor game management to do that, thus affecting the game in such a big way.

Herrera was in the wrong and will get a little ban for that, fair enough. The ref should also be allowed to be scrutinised for his handling of the situation though, I think he was wrong to do what he did. I think the lack of United bookings since shows he might see that too.
 
Redlambs said:
That's fair. With that in mind, do you think he isn't booking United players since because he's had time to reflect on that? Costa should easily have a yellow for diving, but we should have another red and a few yellows here.
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Difficult to say but he's only human and if he didn't spend half time reflecting on the events of the first half then I'd be very suprised.
 
He's reffed this game almost perfectly for me. Almost all decisions right. Herrera was stupid and got booked-rightly so.
 
Speedy30 said:
Difficult to say but he's only human and if he didn't spend half time reflecting on the events of the first half then I'd be very suprised.
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I agree.

That being said, do you then think a lot of these refs start over thinking things and try to maybe manage too hard, hence the obvious inconsistencies? I sometimes wonder if they just judged each and every decision on its own merit if we might at least reach a slightly higher level of it. Of course, I may be wrong.
 
Vito Corleone said:
He's reffed this game almost perfectly for me. Almost all decisions right. Herrera was stupid and got booked-rightly so.
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I have been watching football for over 15 years and I can barely remember any games where a ref sent someone off in the 35th minute for two such fouls let alone in such a huge quarter final. To call this a good performance is absolutely laughable
 
Would the second foul be a booking if it was his first foul?
 
LFC-Fans said:
Would the second foul be a booking if it was his first foul?
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No way. The only reason that's a booking is because oliver is a pretty ineffective ref with no ability to control the game
 
Redlambs said:
I agree.

That being said, do you then think a lot of these refs start over thinking things and try to maybe manage too hard, hence the obvious inconsistencies? I sometimes wonder if they just judged each and every decision on its own merit if we might at least reach a slightly higher level of it. Of course, I may be wrong.
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If each incident was judged on its own then I think you'd start seeing a lot more cards as you could argue for a card in almost every foul. Referee's (contrary to popular opinion) don't want to book or send off players if they can help it so they let as much go with just a free kick as they can. That said, when it comes to management of the game, you have to sometimes produce a card to calm it down so it would be difficult to referee it without previous incidents coming into play.[/QUOTE]
 
- herrera got sent off for two soft bookings
- valencia got left off with multiple fouls, including a potential straight red
- jones let off with multiple fouls
- costa cheating
- cahill pulling down rashford and no yellow

I didnt realise oliver was this bad
 
Jimmy Skitz said:
yes and no one would think twice about it
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Ayush_reddevil said:
That is the crazy part, most refs in the league wouldn't book a player for that let alone send him off
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Regulus Arcturus Black said:
It "could" be yeah, but it'd be a bit soft.

Hazard was fouled once too often in a short space of time and Oliver reacted to that rather than actually refereeing the situation at hand.
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giorno said:
No way. The only reason that's a booking is because oliver is a pretty ineffective ref with no ability to control the game
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Hmm mixed response... that means it can't be a straight forward decision... and therefore you can argue either case no?

So you can't feel hard done by.
 
Are United fans actually complaining about Oliver's performance tonight? You should be happy your team finished only a man down. Second half he was letting MU players get away with everything.
 
LFC-Fans said:
Would the second foul be a booking if it was his first foul?
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I don't think so, not if it's his first foul anyway. Can we not agree it was at least soft? I don't buy all this "what if" stuff anyway, but if we play that game, I think if that happened to Chelsea or Liverpool or anyone else those fans would largely be thinking the same.

For me, it's soft. Herrera was stupid, and the ref was wrong to back himself into a corner. There were other decisions later that were wrong anyway, like Costa diving and Valencia's jumping in. Pogba and Young (iirc) should have seen yellow too.
 
LFC-Fans said:
Would the second foul be a booking if it was his first foul?
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I think so. Kane or Hazard (don't remember who) had turned him and was running at our defence. Tackle looked to be one with no intention of playing the ball. Was a stupid tackle.
 
I guarantee he would never have sent a Chelsea player off for what Herrera did.
 
LFC-Fans said:
Hmm mixed response... that means it can't be a straight forward decision... and therefore you can argue either case no?

So you can't feel hard done by.
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I think you can, it should be a straight forward definite yellow or 3-4 niggly fouls after the first yellow to send a player off.

To send someone off for something that often wouldn't even be a first yellow is poor.
 
Acole9 said:
I know it was Jones that was warned? Not sure what point you're trying to make here.
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My point is that, why was Herrera sent off if Jones was warned? Why should a different player get sent off for another players mistakes? Costa should have got an yellow for elbowing De Gea and if he had got that yellow he would have got sent off. Anyways the match was over when Herrera got sent off for 2 soft fouls. Even people without a rose tinted glasses can see that the referee is biased.
 
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