Michael Oliver

Valencia's fouls were actually dangerous and worth yellows (onew of them could have been a red). Herrera got in Hazard's new direction without looking, and had a soft touch to bring him down.
Val gets a yellow for all that and Herrera walks. Cahill gets nothing.
Does not compute.
 
antihenry said:
Are United fans actually complaining about Oliver's performance tonight? You should be happy your team finished only a man down. Second half he was letting MU players get away with everything.
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Don't want this place to be like Rawk but I wish we were a bit stricter on rivals who come here for a wum
 
LFC-Fans said:
Hmm mixed response... that means it can't be a straight forward decision... and therefore you can argue either case no?

So you can't feel hard done by.
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You say it's mixed, then provide a definite statement at the end? You've got it the wrong way round there.

Unless there's 100% agreement he was right or wrong (and let's face it, that never happens), someone can and will feel hard done by.
 
Pathetic excuse of a ref - he'll probably get a Champion's league final soon enough.
 
Very poor performance from Oliver. Spoiled the game unnecessary and then to compensate didnt give some clear yellow cards in the second half.
 
I thought referees were there to protect the players? How can anyone seriously justify that as a second yellow and yet condone Valencia escaping time and time again unpunished? The lack of consistency within the space of a single game is staggering and inexplicable. Referees are abysmal week in week out and yet as immune to formal criticism. It's incredible.

He's ruined the game tonight. That's not his job.
 
LFC-Fans said:
Hmm mixed response... that means it can't be a straight forward decision... and therefore you can argue either case no?

So you can't feel hard done by.
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You're correct on the first part. Many of the laws in football are open to interpretation and require good judgement from the ref. There's a reason Fifa have a whole extra document dedicated to interpretations and guidelines for the referees, next to the actual laws of the game. Situations are very rarely black and white. But I can't agree with the second part, as long as it's open to interpretation you'll have different opinions and those disagreeing will naturally feel hard done by.
 
Nah. First booking was intentional, tactical, and intimidatory. Textbook booking.

Second one wasn't worthy of a booking by itself, period.

All in all, i'd say the intentional roughing up of hazard was part of mourinho's plan. Ander was stupid. Oliver fecked up, but United kind of went looking for it
 
giorno said:
Nah. First booking was intentional, tactical, and intimidatory. Textbook booking.

Second one wasn't worthy of a booking by itself, period.

All in all, i'd say the intentional roughing up of hazard was part of mourinho's plan. Ander was stupid. Oliver fecked up, but United kind of went looking for it
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He really intimidated Hazard by not moving out of his way. The absolute madman.
 
Redlambs said:
You say it's mixed, then provide a definite statement at the end? You've got it the wrong way round there.

Unless there's 100% agreement he was right or wrong (and let's face it, that never happens), someone can and will feel hard done by.
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You'd feel hard done by if it was a definite wrong decision and it went against you. Because then it was definitely the wrong call. If you can argue a case for both sides then then you can't because some will say it is a sending off. A soft one. But still a sending off.

I read what others have said, and I can see the case for him not to be sent off. In fact I hold the opinion that had it not happened after the evens previous he wouldn't have been booked.

Still. You managed to hold your own even after the red, and with the absentees you had, that's probably all you could have asked for against the league leaders.
 
I think his head had gone 2nd half, tbf. Just wanted the game over without any more drama.

Oliver I mean. Explains the 2nd half rubbishy decisions anyway.
 
He has to be embarrassed after sending a player off for those two tackles. Especially when he was lenient to just about every other player on the pitch. He treated one player completely differently to everybody else, sent him off to make some sort of statement and ruined the game. He probably feels like a complete twat right now. And rightly so.

As for those trying to justify it. Where to even start? :wenger:
 
LFC-Fans said:
You'd feel hard done by if it was a definite wrong decision and it went against you. Because then it was definitely the wrong call. If you can argue a case for both sides then then you can't because some will say it is a sending off. A soft one. But still a sending off.

I read what others have said, and I can see the case for him not to be sent off. In fact I hold the opinion that had it not happened after the evens previous he wouldn't have been booked.

Still. You managed to hold your own even after the red, and with the absentees you had, that's probably all you could have asked for against the league leaders.
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Is there such a thing as a definite in football with these decisions? No, I disagree, people can and will feel hard done by. I don't necessarily, but I can see why others do.

As for the last part I agree, no need to underline though! You being a Liverpool fan wouldn't make me miss a paragraph out, I enjoy rival fans having an opinion, it's part of what it's all about on here :)
 
It's laughable that United fans think they're hard done to here. And I wanted you lot to go through because Chelsea are the bigger threat BUT I was glad you didn't after Mourinho sent you out to kick the shit out of the opposition. Horrible cynical tactics. And that's why Conte was so pissed off with him.

Both incidents were clear Yellows, Herrera is lucky he doesn't have 3-4 reds this season. Rojo stamped on Hazard too and should of been off. Oliver was kind to you!!!

Conte is class, Mourinho is trash
 
WackyWengerWorld said:
It's laughable that United fans think they're hard done to here. And I wanted you lot to go through because Chelsea are the bigger threat BUT I was glad you didn't after Mourinho sent you out to kick the shit out of the opposition. Horrible cynical tactics. And that's why Conte was so pissed off with him.

Both incidents were clear Yellows, Herrera is lucky he doesn't have 3-4 reds this season. Rojo stamped on Hazard too and should of been off. Oliver was kind to you!!!

Conte is class, Mourinho is trash
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Where do all these shit WUMs appear from?
 
giorno said:
Nah. First booking was intentional, tactical, and intimidatory. Textbook booking.

Second one wasn't worthy of a booking by itself, period.

All in all, i'd say the intentional roughing up of hazard was part of mourinho's plan. Ander was stupid. Oliver fecked up, but United kind of went looking for it
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How the hell was that a yellow? Hazard runs at him ffs.
 
Speedy30 said:
Like I say, if it had been any other player that had tripped Hazard and been cautioned, the decision wouldn't even be getting talked about. It's only because it resulted in a red that we are. Herrera knew he was on a yellow (no matter how soft your interpretation of the first caution is) anf he must have known that he needed to be really careful
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Yes it would have. Repeating it wouldn't doesn't automatically make it true. It would have been noticed and commented on, but obviously it wouldn't been a lesser deal due to the simple fact that a red card means more than a yellow. It's the same reason penalties are talked about more than free kicks, in case you missed that.

Oliver shat the bed. He wanted to make an example and be noticed for whatever reason (Hazard wasn't even being fouled that much honesty). Jones was due a booking for persistent fouling, but you can't simply transfer that to another player because you wish to do so. You're making up rules then.
 
LFC-Fans said:
Hmm mixed response... that means it can't be a straight forward decision... and therefore you can argue either case no?

So you can't feel hard done by.
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Of course you can.

Every ref, pundit, player, and fan in football all over the world is aware that the first yellow is universally handed out more liberally than the second - especially if it's early in the game. Innocuous trips are pretty much never second yellow-worthy in the first half.

Oliver was a bit lost today. He blew up for at least 5 fouls that were far worse than Herrera's 'red card' yellow and didn't book the player.
 
Herrera committed two offences... if you can even call the first an offence as Hazard runs in to him and he has no obligation to jump out of the way. Both were very soft yellow cards and that's the only two offences he has committed in the match.

How anyone can look at that objectively and think he deserves to be off the pitch is beyond me. It's killed the match and a decent referee shouldn't be looking for a reason to send someone off. You try to keep it 11 vs 11 but if someone leaves you no choice... fair enough. Oliver had to stretch to find a reason. Awful referee.
 
Tarrou said:
Of course you can.

Every ref, pundit, player, and fan in football all over the world is aware that the first yellow is universally handed out more liberally than the second - especially if it's early in the game. Innocuous trips are pretty much never second yellow-worthy in the first half.

Oliver was a bit lost today. He blew up for at least 5 fouls that were far worse than Herrera's 'red card' yellow and didn't book the player.
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It wasn't just 'a trip' it was a trip from behind, that's a clear yellow.
 
WackyWengerWorld said:
It's laughable that United fans think they're hard done to here. And I wanted you lot to go through because Chelsea are the bigger threat BUT I was glad you didn't after Mourinho sent you out to kick the shit out of the opposition. Horrible cynical tactics. And that's why Conte was so pissed off with him.

Both incidents were clear Yellows, Herrera is lucky he doesn't have 3-4 reds this season. Rojo stamped on Hazard too and should of been off. Oliver was kind to you!!!

Conte is class, Mourinho is trash
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I agree we were losing a player at some point in this game, but Herrera's red was astonishingly harsh.

But to respond in line with tone of your post:

Wenger is a smelly poo but Mourinho is a dreamboat.
 
WackyWengerWorld said:
It's laughable that United fans think they're hard done to here. And I wanted you lot to go through because Chelsea are the bigger threat BUT I was glad you didn't after Mourinho sent you out to kick the shit out of the opposition. Horrible cynical tactics. And that's why Conte was so pissed off with him.

Both incidents were clear Yellows, Herrera is lucky he doesn't have 3-4 reds this season. Rojo stamped on Hazard too and should of been off. Oliver was kind to you!!!

Conte is class, Mourinho is trash
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Trash your manager hasn't beaten in 15 years of trying
 
JonDahl said:
Yep. Such a cheat that got sent off for 2 tackles that wouldn't even get freekicks in countless other matches that will be played this week alone.
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He play acts himself every week.

Moaning and whining to the ref looking to get others booked.

No sympathy.
 
It spoilt the game. Look at what he then started letting go in the second half.
 
Asger said:
How the hell was that a yellow? Hazard runs at him ffs.
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I'll never understand that either, but it seems to be a well established rule that a defending player should move out of the way when an attacking player plays the ball and decides to move in your direction.
 
He seems to be getting worse. Iv watched him a few times this season and he gets big decisions wrong too many times. The standard of refereeing in the prem is abysmal.
 
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