Always gets overawed in the big games.
Michael Oliver
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prat of a ref
Most people on here know that I'm a referee and that I'm also a Liverpool fan. Not exact the way to make yourself popular on a Utd forum but I like to think I'm quite well balanced with posts about Liverpool, Utd and other teams as well as decisions.
I can understand the frustration towards Oliver however, I don't think he's done much wrong. He's let Jones off a caution for a foul that could have had one and told the Captain that these fouls have to stop. He's told him that the next one will be a booking and has followed through with it.
The frustration though should be towards Herrera who's fouled Hazard 3 seconds after the warning knowing that he's already on a yellow. These are tough games to manage and in my opinion, Oliver has tried to give Utd some leeway by not booking Jones.
Put it this way, had it been a player that wasn't on a booking that had committed the foul that Herrera did, then this incident wouldn't even be talked about as it was a definite caution
I can understand the frustration towards Oliver however, I don't think he's done much wrong. He's let Jones off a caution for a foul that could have had one and told the Captain that these fouls have to stop. He's told him that the next one will be a booking and has followed through with it.
The frustration though should be towards Herrera who's fouled Hazard 3 seconds after the warning knowing that he's already on a yellow. These are tough games to manage and in my opinion, Oliver has tried to give Utd some leeway by not booking Jones.
Put it this way, had it been a player that wasn't on a booking that had committed the foul that Herrera did, then this incident wouldn't even be talked about as it was a definite caution
Exactly, where the feck does it say that a player can sent off for accumulating fouls from the whole team. That's just daft.
When has it happened ?
And no one is answering whether every foul on Hazard from now on is a booking but not on other players ?
Who knows? He seems to be making up the laws of the game as he goes along.
Can't just say next foul is a yellow. That's not how it works. Disgrace.
Lol that logic, according to that logic Herrera got the red but maybe Jones should have been sent off.
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It was one of those occasions where the ref wanted to be a hero. There hadn't been a bad tackle in the match but he felt like he needed to step in to 'protect' Hazard. Just immature reffing - let the players play. If Hazard isn't man enough to play a tough game, that's his problem.
The amount of guys in here trying to act "unbiased" is hilarious. The guy is an incompetent as they come.
Good post.
I also like how everyone's just assumed the ref gave that blanket foul warning to Smalling because the commentators suggested that might have happened. They have no way of knowing what the ref said.
So you can book a player for a non yellow card offense because someone else fouled the player before? You shouldn't be a referee
So how could herrera have known about said warning then? You can't seriously expect smalling to tell all 10 of his team mates in 3 seconds.
Which law gives him authority to do that though ? And how could Herrera have known ?
And will every foul on hazard be a booking from now on ?
Going by the Hazard rule now, he should go up against every United player thats booked and the first foul is a red.
Thats how soft this was. Ander wasn't even a repeat offender so that line of thinking can't be used
Thats how soft this was. Ander wasn't even a repeat offender so that line of thinking can't be used
That depends. If the ref cautioned the captain and told him next intentional foul on hazard is a booking, then yeah, ander was stupid and only has himself to blame
Still doesn't change the fact that oliver has shown little control over the game
Still doesn't change the fact that oliver has shown little control over the game
The yellow was so ridiculously trivial, seems the only logical explanation.
I think you've misread what I've said and are a bit fired up by what's happened.Lol that logic, according to that logic Herrera got the read but maybe Jones should have been sent off.
He's an anti-United ref.
How many more games does he have to ruin before people just admit it?
How many more games does he have to ruin before people just admit it?
It's a difficult one, and those are good examples of when its not a good thing, but you'd be surprised at how much game management goes on and most of it is for the best.
I'm not convinced this applies to the sort of people who want to go on to ref in the Premier League, but 99% of refs want to get through the game without being noticed and if giving a yellow card for a foul that you might not normally give one for, or not playing advantage when you otherwise might, stops the game boiling over then it is a good thing.
Ref's need some discretion to control games. This isn't one of those scenarios, but it can be a good thing.
Books Ander for that and no yellow for Rashford being bowled over on the counter or Pogba being swiped from behind. Cock.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1089803/Fergie-got-right--DO-gang-Ronaldo.html
Article from Poll from a game of ours in Europe years ago. For those who don't want to read it he essentially says that the ref booked Villarreal players for constantly fouling Ronaldo, even if it was their first offence. Says that this was the correct way to deal with it.
Article from Poll from a game of ours in Europe years ago. For those who don't want to read it he essentially says that the ref booked Villarreal players for constantly fouling Ronaldo, even if it was their first offence. Says that this was the correct way to deal with it.
Pathetic, but then again we already knew this.
On the topic of game management, Michael Oliver has some of the worst game management I have ever seen.
Itd been terrible refereeing in case it had been the other way too.
Poll will defend any ref to the hilt, even if they personally stab a player and then booked him for diving.
Btw, the first Herrera yellow was really soft too.
He pretty much just stood his ground and turned.
He pretty much just stood his ground and turned.
Thanks for commenting. But wouldn't you also say that you should give yourself leeway? That's an incredibly soft yellow, especially for a second one, so making up his own rule that the next foul is a definite yellow is just asking for trouble?
Could you not just have a word with the captain about persistent fouling (which there wasn't even a huge amount of, at least nothing vicious), and still give yourself the option?
Herrera was stupid, no doubt, but that's incredibly soft and has badly affected an f.a cup semi final. Sure if it was a lunge, or a cynical deliberate foul, then by all means, but once again Hazard was too quick and Herrera just about caught him. Being given a yellow for that just because he just let off Jones and drastically changing the game shouldn't really be something that happens should it? It's not in the rules either, unless I'm wrong.
I'd concede Utd have been fouling to disrupt maybe with particular attention to one player.
But the only yellow out prior to the 2nd yellow red was for a next-to-nothing bit of blocking off. Where's his control of the game if he can't do better than ref himself into a corner of 'next tackle is a booking'
Accumulated errors = harsh dismissal cos he had no choice,
always manages to feck us over
Jones was warned not Herrera. BTW it's the referee who is wearing the rose tinted glasses, 2 Chelsea players should have been given a yellow card.
Yes I agree, I think its his real problem and why he seems to split opinions so much.
I don't think he's got a bad set of eyes to be fair to him, I don't always agree with his interpretation, but he normally seems to have at least seen the incident that he's making a decision on, and in isolation I think he gets things 'right' (i.e. you can make a case for why he's done why he's done). But, when you put it into the context of the game is when they look really bad, and most of his terrible decisions come about because of him losing control of the game.
There's nothing literal about this in the laws of the game, it's entirely at the ref's discretion. Persistent fouling is listed among cautionable offences with the explicit addition that no specific number or
pattern of infringements constitutes “persistent”. However you interpret that, it does give the ref the option to caution a player for committing the latest offence in what he perceives as a teamwide strategy of persistently fouling the opposition. We can debate to death whether you think it's deserved or not, the point is the ref has that option and it's not unconventional for refs to act in this manner.
Ok fine, but he probably knows more about refereeing that you or I.
Is the goal his fault to?
Not really. It was intentional, booking was 100% correct
I know it was Jones that was warned? Not sure what point you're trying to make here.
Only if you also are unsure of how many yellow cards constitutes a red card.
But it's pointless having that knowledge when it's not used and the point is argued with a clear agenda, which in his case is not slagging off fellow refs.