Flying towards goal?
the header was going nowhere.Michael Oliver
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the header was going nowhere.Flying towards goal?
It was definitely going somewhere. Directly onto De Ligt’s hand, for starters. After that, every replay I saw showed it going in the direction of the goal. Did you see an angle showing it going wide?
Considering De Ligt was standing between whoever headed the ball and the goal, I have a hard time seeing the ball go drastically wide
The fact of the matter is that nobody wearing a Newcastle gear (or any other gear) should be accepted as a PL referee.
«Let's start with a small law change. It will now be a yellow card for denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity through a handball, if that handball is not considered deliberate. Penalties will of course still be awarded for any handball offence inside the box.
On other handballs, referees' chief Howard Webb accepts there were instances last season where players were penalised even when their hand or arm was in a justifiable position for the action being undertaken, and wants that to stop.
Other mitigating factors that referees will be instructed to consider this season on possible handball offences are: a player's proximity to the ball, if the arm is being used to support the body while falling, or a player deflecting or playing the ball onto their own arm where there is a clear change of trajectory of the ball.»
Weird one, doesn’t make much sense when taking into consideration that they specify «if that handball is not considered deliberate». Seems a bit daft.
I still think it would’ve been madness to give him a yellow card for it, fair enough that he has his arm in a daft position but it’s point blank as well.
Then again, i’m surprised Oliver didn’t book De Ligt for getting involved when he was heading over to the screen.
It's a red card if deemed deliberate
I was caught up in the emotion of yesterday and didn’t get too angry at the officials (was too focused on the game). But on reflection today and looking at the post match highlights he was fecking disgraceful. How can he give the De Ligt one yet not the Romero one against us? Not even a second look at the handball on the corner. How can Nunez not be a straight red? He’s a fool and Newcastle fan and his hatred for us is so obvious
I think Oliver made the right call in not booking him. The penalty was punishment enough and I like it when referees apply common sense. My point is that he could easily have been an arsehole and used that rule change as justification for sending De Ligt off if he was as profoundly biased against United as some of our fans seem to think he is.
You realise that the two main incidents you mention being missed were down to the decisions of the VAR official, rather than Oliver?
Most fans think he's biased against them, not because he is but because he thinks he's part of the show and referees the game accordingly. He loves feeding the crowd and the narrative with his decisions and it means most games he looks like he's picking a side. Yesterday that was the story of can the mighty Liverpool steamroller the plucky United at the cauldron of Anfield. He did everything he could to help that storyline.
For us it usually means he goes against us as 26 years comes home to roost.
Apologies, I think the VAR team are a bunch of cnuts too. Oliver is inconsistent (especially with us) and I think the media being forced to pretend he is a good referee makes me hate him more
He’s annoyed me plenty in the past. I just think he was fine yesterday. Although the VAR official had a shocker. Because of the two incidents you mention and the way there didn’t seem to be any kind of proper offside analysis of Gakpo’s goal.
I do think he was more measured than usual with United yesterday. This was his first game refereeing the club for almost a year and he did make a big mistake last time he was on VAR, so he was probably more self-aware not showing his bias which is very evident in the stats.
Maybe United are really the most ill-disciplined club in the country since Oliver became a ref, but this shows an odd discrepancy in the number of cards he shows United and their opponents.
Maybe United are really the most ill-disciplined club in the country since Oliver became a ref, but this shows an odd discrepancy in the number of cards he shows United and their opponents.
Oliver has an extreme case of Main Character syndrome, thats why he is awful.
He actually didn’t give the hand ball on field to be fair. It was a clear handball though but went through VAR.
it’s the issue with changing the handball rule every 2 matches. they are both obvious handballs, i don’t know how they can feck up the rules so badly that it’s not consistent for such obvious infringements.
He was just terrible, only ever one way with him against United. It is a surprise when we get a decision.
aye, he was largely fine yesterday. got the big calls right and let the game flow. we’d have been livid if their “handball” was given against us and if we didn’t get theirs. he’s a bellend and has screwed us over loads in the past, but most of the stuff he got “wrong” was subjective. worst decision was the free kick and booking for maguire. but every ref does stupid shit like that.
The way of looking at this is not what he whistled against us but what he didn't whistle against them - and that's how a shrewd referee changes the game in favour of a team or another.
Yeah I thought Oliver was fine yesterday as well. Worst thing was the Maguire yellow, but that's fine for me as such things will happen. Other than that, as you say, he let the game flow and got the big decisions right.
I do think he was more measured than usual with United yesterday. This was his first game refereeing the club for almost a year and he did make a big mistake last time he was on VAR, so he was probably more self-aware not showing his bias which is very evident in the stats.
Maybe United are really the most ill-disciplined club in the country since Oliver became a ref, but this shows an odd discrepancy in the number of cards he shows United and their opponents.
Exactly, if this was a one off game then Pogue's points might hold some weight, but it isn't. It's another in a long running pattern of him applying the laws of the game differently to us than to the teams we play against.
I suspect you're right that he was fighting himself and trying to be more neutral, a year off from reffing us is pretty unusual, and yet his instincts on 50/50 calls were still to penalise us more harshly.
That said, I find the baying for a red for Nunez a bit odd. Whilst he obviously did go for De Ligt I don't think there's anywhere near enough force to qualify it for violent conduct. I think he was just clumsily trying to use his strength to win some space for this RNG of a first touch.
Think he was fine yesterday tbf.
The Maguire yellow was questionable but not a disaster.
The two shockers were the Garnacho offside decision, and the failure to suggest red for Nunez - neither his doing
The Maguire yellow was questionable but not a disaster.
The two shockers were the Garnacho offside decision, and the failure to suggest red for Nunez - neither his doing
You can't be getting calls like that wrong when you're literally standing a few yards away from the challenge. He knew what he was doing.
Come on mate Oliver's been fecking United over for a long time now. Even if there was nothing particularly egregious from him yesterday. You can't blame anyone who's watched him ref our games for a decade taking note of the things he gives against us in a big game like yesterday.
Those stats are absurd. Similar pace with Everton and way below Leicester over a fifty game sample size, if I’m reading that correctly?I do think he was more measured than usual with United yesterday. This was his first game refereeing the club for almost a year and he did make a big mistake last time he was on VAR, so he was probably more self-aware not showing his bias which is very evident in the stats.
Maybe United are really the most ill-disciplined club in the country since Oliver became a ref, but this shows an odd discrepancy in the number of cards he shows United and their opponents.
I do think he was more measured than usual with United yesterday. This was his first game refereeing the club for almost a year and he did make a big mistake last time he was on VAR, so he was probably more self-aware not showing his bias which is very evident in the stats.
Maybe United are really the most ill-disciplined club in the country since Oliver became a ref, but this shows an odd discrepancy in the number of cards he shows United and their opponents.
Those stats are grim and absolutely no surprise.
I’ve got no idea why United haven’t raised this. There is surely no way to defend those numbers.
Those stats are grim and absolutely no surprise.
I swear you're just a contrarian.
in this instance he’s just been blessed with the gift of working eyesight.
Do PGMOL ever bother trying to defend their more suspect decisions?
Why hasn't he reffed any our games in a long time before yesterday?
Fair points
all the moaning about a pretty decent performance from him only weakens any outrage at him for all the times he’s been genuinely shit.
Yup. The main effect of moaning about yesterday’s game is the way it makes the critics come across as deeply irrational.
I'll admit when it comes to Oliver I am irrational. I hate the Twat.
But when I see stats like the ones below it makes me realize I'm not completely nuts.
I do think he was more measured than usual with United yesterday. This was his first game refereeing the club for almost a year and he did make a big mistake last time he was on VAR, so he was probably more self-aware not showing his bias which is very evident in the stats.
Maybe United are really the most ill-disciplined club in the country since Oliver became a ref, but this shows an odd discrepancy in the number of cards he shows United and their opponents.
he’s normally atrocious, he wasn’t yesterday. maybe as a result of the fallout from the west ham var farce. fingers crossed he refs us like that every time we have him.
But can we not discuss his performance in one game on its own merits? It’s like player performance threads when a player can have a good game but most of his usual critics insist on nit picking tiny errors and ignoring all the good stuff. I dislike Oliver too and he’s had some horrible performances in games involving us before now. But why pile on him after a game where he did very little wrong?
I can live with the penalty. I think its incredibly harsh as its so near and at such pace - but if its being given, then for the love of God stick to the rule. Joelinton was involved in two goals in a week where his hand was used. Its become a cliche to say consistency is all we want, but it's hard to stomach. The same official didnt give the romero one last season which was 100% goalbound and from much farther away. In the same vein, Kavanagh decided that Nunez didnt warrant a look, but he also decided that Fernandes flick against Maddison was dangerous play. I could go on and on and on, its absolutely infuriating.
I didn't really notice him, in all honesty, which is about the best you can hope for from a referee.
That linesman on the other hand...
That linesman on the other hand...
What i dont get with posts like « we’d be livid if this was given against » is that many times such pens have been given against us.
Nobody here would be complaining if we hadn’t already been penalised by soft pens where the ball brushes the hand of a player, or if blatant handballs were not given as pens in our favour and seeing the same type of handballs given in other games.
Inconsistency is what annoys people more
Gravenbach’s kick to Mainoo’s head at the start went unpunished too.