Michael Oliver

[Strats]

Chris Kavanagh, who supports Droylsden, or so he says.

If that is true it’s an absolute disgrace that he gets to officiate any game from us or Liverpool for that matter.

He can claim what he wants, but there is absolutely zero chance that he is unbiased.

He also strikes me to be just as an insecure person as Oliver, who has chosen a profession where he can be in a position of power without facing consequences for his actions.

 

[Giggsyking]

fecking donkey.

 

[stevoc]

But can we not discuss his performance in one game on its own merits? It’s like player performance threads when a player can have a good game but most of his usual critics insist on nit picking tiny errors and ignoring all the good stuff. I dislike Oliver too and he’s had some horrible performances in games involving us before now. But why pile on him after a game where he did very little wrong?

Because ironically much like Oliver lots of us can't be impartial it seems

On a serious note I don't think he had a 'good game' yesterday. He didn't make any wild decisions but as usual he reffed the game one way, which when we're involved means he favoured the opposition.

 

[stevoc]

he’s normally atrocious, he wasn’t yesterday. maybe as a result of the fallout from the west ham var farce. fingers crossed he refs us like that every time we have him.

I hope so but I wouldn't bet on it.

 

[JJ12]

Anyone have the Nunez challenge? I missed it but heard conflicting views

 

[bstb3]

I'll admit when it comes to Oliver I am irrational. I hate the Twat.

But when I see stats like the ones below it makes me realize I'm not completely nuts.

Don't look at the same stats for Antony Taylor then, whatever you do... that man really doesn't like us, or at least always looks more kindly on our opponents. Makes Oliver look almost neutral.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Should have sent off Nunez.

 

[SER19]

Don't look at the same stats for Antony Taylor then, whatever you do... that man really doesn't like us, or at least always looks more kindly on our opponents. Makes Oliver look almost neutral.

Taylor is awful. Another with a likely bias, though he was decent in the derby. He didnt give the dias foul on hojlund but that should have been rectified by VAR. It was one of the better performances in a big match, which stunned me given his history with us.

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

This really is a low bar but one thing I will give Oliver credit for was when he did the linesman's job for him by awarding a foul on Amad by Robertson. He was grabbing Amad's shirt for several seconds right in front of the linesman and yet he still didn't flag for a clear foul, presumably out of fear of getting grief from the scousers sat behind him.

 

[2 man midfield]

Gravenbach’s kick to Mainoo’s head at the start went unpunished too.

Strange how this got buried. Feel like we’ve seen mountains made of this while ours was a molehill.

 

[Adisa]

A referee that shaves his eyebrows. He's a twat.

 

[Jimmy Greenhoff's Chest]

Anyone have the Nunez challenge? I missed it but heard conflicting views

Can't find it anywhere, seems to have disappeared from Twitter. Would like to know what the conflicting views are though, whether it should have been a straight red or just a yellow? Didn't look at the ball once, shoulder into De Ligt's face

 

[Tincanalley]

Nunez was nasty. Shoulder to the head of De Ligt with no attempt to play the ball. Orange kind of offence.

 

[2mufc0]

Shouldn't be refereeing high profile games, he's so bad.

 

[stevoc]

Don't look at the same stats for Antony Taylor then, whatever you do... that man really doesn't like us, or at least always looks more kindly on our opponents. Makes Oliver look almost neutral.

I try not to look at Ref stats because I'll only get pissed off. The stats are out there but PGMOL don't seem to monitor Refs stats vs certain teams and flag unusual patterns. And I don't mean just United, I'm sure other teams have it with certain refs as well.

 

[JJ12]

Can't find it anywhere, seems to have disappeared from Twitter. Would like to know what the conflicting views are though, whether it should have been a straight red or just a yellow? Didn't look at the ball once, shoulder into De Ligt's face

I have a fairly biased United fan who said it's never a red, I've seen it since and it's a red for me.

 

[Rooney in Paris]

all the moaning about a pretty decent performance from him only weakens any outrage at him for all the times he’s been genuinely shit.

Your main argument seems to be "he wasn't quite as shit as he normally is" as if that's something for him to be proud of, and should prevent any form of criticism. Yeah ok he wasn't as atrocious as he usually is, but he was still poor and got some big calls wrong.

 

[Andersonson]

He might have made some terrible decision in the past but his performance yesterday was fine. The only really bad mistake was not sending off Nunez (the wanker) but that foul looked much worse in replay than it did in real time. The linesman and, especially, VAR guy had a poor game but Oliver generally referee’d the game well. All the crying about Maguire’s booking being evidence of bias is absurd when he could easily have booked Ugarte for his very first foul (putting him on a tightrope) or sent off De Ligt for that handball (second booking) The victim mentality of some United fans about referees is getting seriously embarrassing now.

Well said

 

[christinaa]

Nobody wearing a Newcastle gear (or any other gear) should be accepted as a PL referee.

 

[christinaa]

....and also:

The way of looking at this is not what he whistled against us but what he didn't whistle against them - and that's how a shrewd referee changes the game in favour of a team or another.

 

[Shane88]

How many penalties has he given against us, out of curiosity? Because that is 2 in his last 2 now.

The cnut.

 

[Heinzesight]

A referee that shaves his eyebrows. He's a twat.

Don’t forget his tramlines from a few years ago.

 

[Sandikan]

How many penalties has he given against us, out of curiosity? Because that is 2 in his last 2 now.

The cnut.

We all dislike him and hate Liverpool
But it's quite hard to argue a defender waving his hand in the air isn't a pen.

 

[The Purley King]

Can anyone name a soft foul that was given in our favour or a marginal one (apart from ugarte in the early stages) that wasn’t punished to the fullest extent?
I’m not going to rewatch it but I can’t recall anything where I thought “we have got away with one there” or “that’s probably not a foul against pool but I’ll take it”.
Whereas there were quite a few in the opposite direction.
That is how a ref is influences a game and it’s all brushed over. Plus the one eyed Lino.
The stats previously posted show this quite clearly.

 

[SER19]

We all dislike him and hate Liverpool
But it's quite hard to argue a defender waving his hand in the air isn't a pen.

Yeah I agree, which is why its so hard to understand why the same ref decided romero's handball last season wasnt.

 

[Waynne]

How many penalties has he given against us, out of curiosity? Because that is 2 in his last 2 now.

The cnut.

That's an easy penalty. De Ligt with his hands up beside his head is just dumb. EDIT: Ok just seen the Romero handball and now I'm confused

I have more of an issue with the yellow card for Maguire on Salah. That had me raging.

 

[2 man midfield]

Yeah I agree, which is why it’s so hard to understand why the same ref decided romero's handball last season wasnt.

Well last season we were told it was too close. Despite being about 5 yards away.

Yesterday it was about 3, and it was given by the same bloke.

 

[McTerminator]

He might have made some terrible decision in the past but his performance yesterday was fine. The only really bad mistake was not sending off Nunez (the wanker) but that foul looked much worse in replay than it did in real time. The linesman and, especially, VAR guy had a poor game but Oliver generally referee’d the game well. All the crying about Maguire’s booking being evidence of bias is absurd when he could easily have booked Ugarte for his very first foul (putting him on a tightrope) or sent off De Ligt for that handball (second booking) The victim mentality of some United fans about referees is getting seriously embarrassing now.

I understand your point here but I have to ask… when has an incident looking much worse in the replay ever been helpful to us in refereeing terms?

 

[Oranges038]

Can't find it anywhere, seems to have disappeared from Twitter. Would like to know what the conflicting views are though, whether it should have been a straight red or just a yellow? Didn't look at the ball once, shoulder into De Ligt's face

Yeah. He did the same thing to Evans last season, never looked at the ball, took him out, smashed the ball away and sarcastically applauded the officials. Just got a yellow for it. Later on Dalot got 2 yellows for complaining about a throw in been given the wrong way.

I'd be of the opinion that this is the only way he can endear himself to the fans, because he's fecking garbage, nowhere near good enough for the league and has the football brain of a squirrel.

 

[SER19]

Oliver's record against us includes some beauties. Here's some stats and figures:

Michael Oliver in charge of United:

He's reffed us 47 times:

He's given us 5 red cards, with just 1 for the opposition, an 87th minute second bookable offence for Danny Drinkwater in 2016.

He's given us 98 yellows, and on just 3 occasions has not booked any of our players. By contrast, he's given opponents 69 yellows, and on 14 occasions didn't give a single booking to opposition. That's almost 30% of the times he's refereed us an opponent has never had to even consider a player on a yellow.

Our win percentage with Oliver is 38%. Leicester are at 49%. Even allowing for Oliver getting more big games, that's poor. Spurs for example is 54%, Arsenal (who only recently got good) are at 50%. More in line with us are Everton at 33%.

Some of you may disagree with some of these, and in some cases Var should have stepped in, but from memory:

1) Nunez should have been sent off yesterday. If in doubt, watch the replay, though I blame Kavanagh more than Oliver
2) Oliver inexplicably intervened as VAR for possibly the worst penalty Ive seen given against us vs West Ham, in stoppage time
3) He somehow, impossibly, didnt give a penalty for a Romero handball as Garnacho's goalbound effort was blocked with a hand from yards away.
4) He gave Dalot a red card that pretty much no football person can understand to this day. This was the THIRD incredibly precious red card he'd given a United player
5) He intervened as var to award a penalty for the most innocuous tug you will see on a given weekend, in the Manchester derby. Foul against Hojlund.
6) He sent off Herrera in a cup quarter final, for the very unusual case of team fouling. I dont believe hes ever done that before or since.
7) He sent off Di Maria for touching his shirt after a booking, the same season he allowed Joe Hart to go head to head.

These are before you get into the awful decisions weve forgotten with time, like fresh in the memory ones of Maguires perfect tackle will be forgotten. There have been countless times he's reffed games where the entire flow of the match has been decided by his whistle. From memory, I can remember one big call given in our favour from him - a late foul in a home win against fulham that could have been a pen. Its even intersting to look at the penalties hes given us, of which there have been 8. 2 were in close games - all others were in comfortable runaway wins, or when we were getting battered like 6-1 down at city. Against us, he's given 7- 6 of which were in close games where the penalty could be said to be of real consequence.

All in all, whatever way you slice it or feel about referees, is a very poor record, especially in the last 3 years or so.

 

[Superunknown]

There seems to be mountains of evidence going back years against this cnut. Have the club raised any of this?

 

[Berbasbullet]

Oliver's record against us includes some beauties. Here's some stats and figures:

Michael Oliver in charge of United:

He's reffed us 47 times:

He's given us 5 red cards, with just 1 for the opposition, an 87th minute second bookable offence for Danny Drinkwater in 2016.

He's given us 98 yellows, and on just 3 occasions has not booked any of our players. By contrast, he's given opponents 69 yellows, and on 14 occasions didn't give a single booking to opposition. That's almost 30% of the times he's refereed us an opponent has never had to even consider a player on a yellow.

Our win percentage with Oliver is 38%. Leicester are at 49%. Even allowing for Oliver getting more big games, that's poor. Spurs for example is 54%, Arsenal (who only recently got good) are at 50%. More in line with us are Everton at 33%.

Some of you may disagree with some of these, and in some cases Var should have stepped in, but from memory:

1) Nunez should have been sent off yesterday. If in doubt, watch the replay, though I blame Kavanagh more than Oliver
2) Oliver inexplicably intervened as VAR for possibly the worst penalty Ive seen given against us vs West Ham, in stoppage time
3) He somehow, impossibly, didnt give a penalty for a Romero handball as Garnacho's goalbound effort was blocked with a hand from yards away.
4) He gave Dalot a red card that pretty much no football person can understand to this day. This was the THIRD incredibly precious red card he'd given a United player
5) He sent of Herrera in a cup quarter final, for the very unusual case of team fouling. I dont believe hes ever done that before or since.
6) He sent off Di Maria for touching his shirt after a booking, the same season he allowed Joe Hart to go head to head.

These are before you get into the awful decisions weve forgotten with time, like fresh in the memory ones of Maguires perfect tackle will be forgotten. There have been countless times he's reffed games where the entire flow of the match has been decided by his whistle. From memory, I can remember one big call given in our favour from him - a late foul in a home win against fulham that could have been a pen.

All in all, whatever way you slice it or feel about referees, is a very poor record, especially in the last 3 years or so.

Great post.

 

[SER19]

Well last season we were told it was too close. Despite being about 5 yards away.

Yesterday it was about 3, and it was given by the same bloke.

If you watch it in real time again, youll see how close de ligt was. Again, I can just about live with it, but only if applied fairly to other teams versus us.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I understand your point here but I have to ask… when has an incident looking much worse in the replay ever been helpful to us in refereeing terms?

Hmmm… you’ve got me there. I actually can’t even remember the last time a team had someone sent off when they were playing us, never mind after a VAR intervention.

 

[RedRocket9908]

Hmmm… you’ve got me there. I actually can’t even remember the last time a team had someone sent off when they were playing us, never mind after a VAR intervention.

Wasnt a Soutbampton player sent off for an awful challenge on Garnacho earlier this season?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Wasnt a Soutbampton player sent off for an awful challenge on Garnacho earlier this season?

Ah yeah. Good one. That’s my answer.

 

[KjaAnd]

Oliver's record against us includes some beauties. Here's some stats and figures:

Michael Oliver in charge of United:

He's reffed us 47 times:

He's given us 5 red cards, with just 1 for the opposition, an 87th minute second bookable offence for Danny Drinkwater in 2016.

He's given us 98 yellows, and on just 3 occasions has not booked any of our players. By contrast, he's given opponents 69 yellows, and on 14 occasions didn't give a single booking to opposition. That's almost 30% of the times he's refereed us an opponent has never had to even consider a player on a yellow.

Our win percentage with Oliver is 38%. Leicester are at 49%. Even allowing for Oliver getting more big games, that's poor. Spurs for example is 54%, Arsenal (who only recently got good) are at 50%. More in line with us are Everton at 33%.

Some of you may disagree with some of these, and in some cases Var should have stepped in, but from memory:

1) Nunez should have been sent off yesterday. If in doubt, watch the replay, though I blame Kavanagh more than Oliver
2) Oliver inexplicably intervened as VAR for possibly the worst penalty Ive seen given against us vs West Ham, in stoppage time
3) He somehow, impossibly, didnt give a penalty for a Romero handball as Garnacho's goalbound effort was blocked with a hand from yards away.
4) He gave Dalot a red card that pretty much no football person can understand to this day. This was the THIRD incredibly precious red card he'd given a United player
5) He sent of Herrera in a cup quarter final, for the very unusual case of team fouling. I dont believe hes ever done that before or since.
6) He sent off Di Maria for touching his shirt after a booking, the same season he allowed Joe Hart to go head to head.

These are before you get into the awful decisions weve forgotten with time, like fresh in the memory ones of Maguires perfect tackle will be forgotten. There have been countless times he's reffed games where the entire flow of the match has been decided by his whistle. From memory, I can remember one big call given in our favour from him - a late foul in a home win against fulham that could have been a pen. Its even intersting to look at the penalties hes given us, of which there have been 8. 2 were in close games - all others were in comfortable runaway wins, or when we were getting battered like 6-1 down at city. Against us, he's given 7- 6 of which were in close games where the penalty could be said to be of real consequence.

All in all, whatever way you slice it or feel about referees, is a very poor record, especially in the last 3 years or so.

Excellent work. The club really should compile a comprehensive list like this and present it to the PGMOL and the league. Not that they will admit any wrongdoing but we need to apply pressure whenever we can. It worked when Klopp called out the refs publicly.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Lot of Pool fans hate him too. Say that they have been at the receiving end of dodgy decisions from Oliver, especially in City games.

 

[RedDevil@84]

The club really should compile a comprehensive list like this and present it to the PGMOL and the league

In before someone saying this is embarrassing for a club of Man Utd's stature.

 

[Fitchett]

Oliver's record against us includes some beauties. Here's some stats and figures:

Michael Oliver in charge of United:

He's reffed us 47 times:

He's given us 5 red cards, with just 1 for the opposition, an 87th minute second bookable offence for Danny Drinkwater in 2016.

He's given us 98 yellows, and on just 3 occasions has not booked any of our players. By contrast, he's given opponents 69 yellows, and on 14 occasions didn't give a single booking to opposition. That's almost 30% of the times he's refereed us an opponent has never had to even consider a player on a yellow.

Our win percentage with Oliver is 38%. Leicester are at 49%. Even allowing for Oliver getting more big games, that's poor. Spurs for example is 54%, Arsenal (who only recently got good) are at 50%. More in line with us are Everton at 33%.

Some of you may disagree with some of these, and in some cases Var should have stepped in, but from memory:

1) Nunez should have been sent off yesterday. If in doubt, watch the replay, though I blame Kavanagh more than Oliver
2) Oliver inexplicably intervened as VAR for possibly the worst penalty Ive seen given against us vs West Ham, in stoppage time
3) He somehow, impossibly, didnt give a penalty for a Romero handball as Garnacho's goalbound effort was blocked with a hand from yards away.
4) He gave Dalot a red card that pretty much no football person can understand to this day. This was the THIRD incredibly precious red card he'd given a United player
5) He sent of Herrera in a cup quarter final, for the very unusual case of team fouling. I dont believe hes ever done that before or since.
6) He sent off Di Maria for touching his shirt after a booking, the same season he allowed Joe Hart to go head to head.

These are before you get into the awful decisions weve forgotten with time, like fresh in the memory ones of Maguires perfect tackle will be forgotten. There have been countless times he's reffed games where the entire flow of the match has been decided by his whistle. From memory, I can remember one big call given in our favour from him - a late foul in a home win against fulham that could have been a pen. Its even intersting to look at the penalties hes given us, of which there have been 8. 2 were in close games - all others were in comfortable runaway wins, or when we were getting battered like 6-1 down at city. Against us, he's given 7- 6 of which were in close games where the penalty could be said to be of real consequence.

All in all, whatever way you slice it or feel about referees, is a very poor record, especially in the last 3 years or so.

Well done. Don't forget the ridiculous penalty he gave city last season, as VAR, against Hojlund.